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Mosconi was a great player but I think some people are taking comments about breaking his record as an insult. Records are mean't to be broken. Willie will always be remembered as a great champion who dominated the game for many years. He was dedicated to winning and did whatever it took to win regardless of opponent or equipment. He came up thu hard times.
I'm sure some people of the day thought Willie did something wrong when he broke the previous high run. Give John or any other high runner a break. He is is not pissing on Mosconi's grave. He knows and respects the ability and hard work of Willie. Brees broke Johnny Us long held record. You know what it did for him?
It brought him back into the lime light for a few years. Nobody will ever say John is better than Willie if he breaks the record if that will make some of you sleep well at night.
I'm sure some people of the day thought Willie did something wrong when he broke the previous high run. Give John or any other high runner a break. He is is not pissing on Mosconi's grave. He knows and respects the ability and hard work of Willie. Brees broke Johnny Us long held record. You know what it did for him?
It brought him back into the lime light for a few years. Nobody will ever say John is better than Willie if he breaks the record if that will make some of you sleep well at night.
14.1 was THE game back then. No one has broken the record because it's a game not often played. If everyone who played 8ball, 10ball and 9ball specialized in 14.1, the record would be broken by today's pros.
Mosconi was a tremendous player. No one could take that away from him. That said, pool wasn't the same international sport it is today.... No Chinese, Filipino, or German contingency. He had to beat a handful of guys back then.... nearly all American players. Everyone else was drawing dead. Today, anyone can destroy anyone on any given day. That's a fact.
Mosconi was a tremendous player. No one could take that away from him. That said, pool wasn't the same international sport it is today.... No Chinese, Filipino, or German contingency. He had to beat a handful of guys back then.... nearly all American players. Everyone else was drawing dead. Today, anyone can destroy anyone on any given day. That's a fact.
I can't answer for john but there's a straight pool challenge at DCC every year, something like everyone gets 16 tries and the highest run wins (or highest runs... Not sure how many places get paid).
I believe all of the top 8 were over 100 last year, found a post about it:
That last guy got 102 later. So, it's fair to say that very strong pros (not necessarily straight pool specialists) can run over 100 within 16 tries. Which isn't to say there aren't plenty of 30's, sometimes the balls just roll funny.
Dan, though I have no proof, I think there are guys right now that are trying to break the record and would give up their first born to be the guy that beat the record. And, it wouldn't surprise me at all if one day one of the Europeans released a DVD of them setting the new high mark. I think they, perhaps more than our home boys, would do it for pride, or bragging rights, or just for pure love of the game
And yes, Mosconi was always playing straight pool and ran countless 100s and then would just stop and do some trick shots. If every time he ran 100 he had kept going it is not unreasonable to think that "the record" could have actually ended up being into the 600s or even 700s. He just didn't care and only kept shooting that night at the urging of the crowd. His "finical incentive" was just his usual weekly pay check from Brunswick, which wasn't much.
So now there's a million reasons why the record hasn't been broken. And chances are there never will be sufficient finically incentive, so that's a moot point.
Lou Figueroa
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Do you mean that literally, or do you just mean you agree with a lot of what he says?
As for Lou, he is perfectly entitled to his opinion.
You can say that all you want, John, but you know as well as I that Mosconi had such a tremendous will to win and unadulterated hatred of losing, often chewing his tongue bloody sitting in the chair during a tournament, that he would have raised his game to whatever level necessary mandated by the standard of the day.
And yes, Mosconi demanded new cloth and brought his own set of polished balls. That's pretty common knowledge which I've written about myself several times in the past.
Lou Figueroa
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"jealous hater"
lol.
John, I play pool for fun and a few yucks. I've had two successful careers and retired at the age of 55. Right at this moment I'm posting off an iPad, from a balcony at a swank resort in Mexico, over looking the Pacific Ocean. I'm sipping a margarita and I'm about to fire up my second Cohiba Piramedes of the trip.
Jealous? Get a grip, John.
Lou Figueroa
And he did this on a 5x10 with no layered tips or an LD shaft. How could that be possible? And probably a little boozed up :thumbup:
I'm not sure who you're talking to, but if it's me I certainly don't take talk of breaking the record as an insult. I think it'd be a great accomplishment and it's bound to happen one day, probably in the not too distant future. Records are meant to be broken.
I think the only reason some folks are getting their panties in a bunch is because of the subject of repeatedly polishing the balls mid-run.
Lou Figueroa
I once score kept for a pro at one of the challenges and in a dozen attempts he couldn't get out of the first rack. Talk about a bit of schadenfreude
Lou Figueroa
So Schmidt ran over 400 with a set of pool room balls on a table that had wear and tear on it. What are you trying to imply?
Mosconi ran a gazillion balls on a 4x8 with Lake Erie-sized pockets, new cloth and his own personal perfecto-set of Centennial balls.
If Schmidt had access to identical equipment, he'd beat that record. Personally, that record shouldn't even qualify for the record books just because it's on a 4x8. Anything short of 4.5x9 should be surrounded by *********ASTERICKS**********
Run of 526*
* On a bucket, 4x8 table with brand-new showroom conditions and Mosconi's set of balls
Both of Schmidts 400+ runs, Neil's 400+ run, Hopkins's/Strickland's/Nagy's 400+ runs were on way tougher equipment and all were superior runs to Mosconi's 526.
People act like Mosconi didn't dog it--- I watched the match with he and Caras on Youtube. Mosconi prob bit his tongue in half because he missed a whole lot. Caras made it look easy. Mosconi was no "robot terminator" --- he was human and put his pants on like the rest of us.
The only evidence I've seen with Mosconi chirping to bet was against Minnesota Fats playing 14.1. That's like betting the sky is blue, imo.
I guess we all have our favorites and it's impossible to say who would beat who when one guy's dead and played 50 years earlier. All I know is if you buried Mosconi in the Pet Cemetery and handed him his cue the next morning and setup a match with Schmidt, I'd bet Schmidt's side - especially if they bet something.
Mark me in the column of those who think Schmidt would be:
* Well, maybe not ^^^ THAT, but I like Schmidt.
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Outrageous, and the inspiration for this thread.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=309041
TheThaiger
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oh man, now you've gone and done it.
The official "please don't drive the pros away because we are so blessed they choose to walk amongst us" hand-wringers should be along any minute.
Lou Figueroa
TheThaiger
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Yeah, but nobody's opened it in the 15 mins it's been up, so I may get away with it...
But it needed saying. This site has lost its collective mind over the last few months. It is really just a reflection of today's pool demographic.
Lou is at a swank all-inclusive resort drinking an all-u-can-drink margarita posting on azb instead of enjoying paradise. Pool IS his paradise just like Lou would have his left nut surgically removed in secret if it meant he could magically play like John.
Lou's 401k might swallow John's whole, but this ain't the Yahoo Finance forum nor is it the Forbes Forum. On this site, we're talking pool and only Lou would get shut up by someone who can spot him the world and then point to his wallet to belittle the better player and then imply he's the "winner" of the back-and-forth.
His wife prob just threw his iPad in the Pacific Ocean in frustration.
Lou's 401k might swallow John's whole, but this ain't the Yahoo Finance forum nor is it the Forbes Forum. On this site, we're talking pool and only Lou would get shut up by someone who can spot him the world and then point to his wallet to belittle the better player and then imply he's the "winner" of the back-and-forth.
His wife prob just threw his iPad in the Pacific Ocean in frustration.