Because it's ridiculous to think that every tournament you play in has different rules. The rules constantly changing because people learn to play well within those rules is absolutely silly.
9-Ball on the spot. Why?
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Because it's ridiculous to think that every tournament you play in has different rules. The rules constantly changing because people learn to play well within those rules is absolutely silly.
Also, making the 1 in the side (when 9 on the spot) is only slightly harder than making a wing ball (when 1 on the spot).
If you keep changing the game because someone is good at the game, the game will never become something that people can take serious.
If you keep changing the game because someone is good at the game, the game will never become something that people can take serious.
So whats the problem?
Deep payouts are good for Pool, its why the APA is the largest league in the country. It gives the people who cant play and probroly never will be able to play a reason to come out to play.
It builds the brand, the same way Mercedes builds $35,000 cars for the people who cant buy the real deal $75,000 car.
The game isn't healthy enough to only reward top play, the game needs a friendly look, one that allows a non player to go home a tell his friends that he won a couple of bucks and was right there, almost won it all, just got a bad roll against that champion!
Deep payouts are good for Pool, its why the APA is the largest league in the country. It gives the people who cant play and probroly never will be able to play a reason to come out to play.
It builds the brand, the same way Mercedes builds $35,000 cars for the people who cant buy the real deal $75,000 car.
The game isn't healthy enough to only reward top play, the game needs a friendly look, one that allows a non player to go home a tell his friends that he won a couple of bucks and was right there, almost won it all, just got a bad roll against that champion!
I can agree with rewarding deep in the bracket to an extent. What drove me to get better was not getting into the money. I guess there will always be at least 2 type of players...those content to make a little something and those who will strive to make more.
You have a good point...I usually play big tourneys so I can get better and the only reason I played this league was to help my friend who was always getting beat...but seriously to pay even last place it's a bit too much maybe pay half the field but even last place...
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They do it by points in the leagues I'm in. Each ball is worth a point and 8 ball is worth three points. They take the total amount paid into the league divided by how many points were scored in the league and you get so much per point. The only way not to get paid in our league is to literally not make a ball all season or have an opponent make one of your balls all season. But in our leagues you also get a bonus for 1-3. I think we walked out with 800 this year for 4th but that's a 32 week season.
Reyes vs. Kuhinko (Japan).
At this point in the tournament Kuhinko had beaten Strickland (in his prime) and a host of other top players...so he was no easy mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9VAjvxZ98
I recall one 9-ball match on a barbox (rack your own, with a template) where Orcullo had the same layout game after game. I was like watching a guy perform a drill.
Every sport's done this....a lot of rule changes that were put in place for basketball specifically because of Wilt Chamberlain. The NCAA banned dunking for a while because of Lew Alcindor.
games and rules evolve....always have...always will. Most of the time, it's done to try to increase the level of competitiveness to simply make it more interesting for a wider general audience.
sometimes the changes work well....sometimes they don't. The rules have a way of sorting themselves out over time in every sport.
You make a good point,
Its hard for some guys to really improve much, Pool is the toughest game there is and it takes so much to really understand the game, the strategy all the how to do's.
Its hard for some guys to really improve much, Pool is the toughest game there is and it takes so much to really understand the game, the strategy all the how to do's.
If you want a competition between top players in which both players get a chance to play then the break at nine ball needs to be changed from how it was. It's not clear what the best solution is. For players 200 Fargo points down from the top and on tables that don't rack tightly, it probably doesn't make any difference.
The partial solution is to play 10 ball.
I've seen bar table tourneys use template racks while racking with the 1 on the spot. Watching top players play this game is a total joke. For bar tables I wonder how breaking with the 9 on the spot and having to break from behind the first diamond would work out.
I agree, kinda..,
Bob I agree that both players deserve a chance to win and in every other major sport both players get there shot at victory, tennis, bowling, etc..,
But if you look at the stats even with the wing ball going, the breaker only wins 51 to 60% of the time? Now I agree that if your on the wrong end of that stat and sitting there watching a guy run out the set its no fun, but do we really need to change the game because of a few good runs?
How many 6, 7, or 8 packs have we seen in a major tournament compared to the number of 2 packs?
Check with AtLarge on the numbers, theres nothing wrong with 9 ball.., well there is.., Not enough Money in the game and not enough tournaments for the players to attend to make money.
Bob I agree that both players deserve a chance to win and in every other major sport both players get there shot at victory, tennis, bowling, etc..,
But if you look at the stats even with the wing ball going, the breaker only wins 51 to 60% of the time? Now I agree that if your on the wrong end of that stat and sitting there watching a guy run out the set its no fun, but do we really need to change the game because of a few good runs?
How many 6, 7, or 8 packs have we seen in a major tournament compared to the number of 2 packs?
Check with AtLarge on the numbers, theres nothing wrong with 9 ball.., well there is.., Not enough Money in the game and not enough tournaments for the players to attend to make money.
Yes, all games evolve over time. Difference is, in pool they evolve several times a year for the past 80 years.
For us hacks, there will be effectively 0 difference with 9 on splt or 1 on spot.
At the pro level, it does matter.
At the pro level, it does matter.
We should of just said no to the pussifacation I mean leagueifacation of pool, way back before leagues ruined pool.
Looks like the pool / t-ball league mentality has infiltrated the pro's.
Hey Marc, do those Europeans still keep score?
Peace
Ted
Donny can hang with anyone. Cory won that small regional event that slips my mind.....how does it go....oh yeah US OPEN.
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Nick B
I guess we should change straight pool.
Just imagine the emotional damage done when a player breaks and his opponent runs out
the game.
should we limit straight pool runs to 50 balls so the other player gets to participate?
Just imagine the emotional damage done when a player breaks and his opponent runs out
the game.
should we limit straight pool runs to 50 balls so the other player gets to participate?
I see both sides of the argument.
When you're only playing race to 9, It is a letdown to see a heavy favorite start off down 4 or 5 racks to a less skilled opponent or be kept in his chair after a single mistake results in a multi-rack run-out,. Some of the best shooters depending on how many matches/events they are playing on a given day may need more than one or two turns on the table to really get in-stroke for the current game and over a longer set would outclass their opponent.
That said, what's the point of making the 9-ball break more difficult when you have 10-ball? I think 9-ball racked on the footspot is good for a shorter race and 1 racked on the footspot for a longer race of 15 or so would be okay too, given how fast those racks go, and make it alternate break, and let 10-ball be winner break.
Personally if I want to see somebody run an insane number of balls and maintain control of a table keeping your opponent cold in his chair I'll watch straight pool, so I do see the point of changing the 9-ball break and/or having alternate break over a shorter race.
When you're only playing race to 9, It is a letdown to see a heavy favorite start off down 4 or 5 racks to a less skilled opponent or be kept in his chair after a single mistake results in a multi-rack run-out,. Some of the best shooters depending on how many matches/events they are playing on a given day may need more than one or two turns on the table to really get in-stroke for the current game and over a longer set would outclass their opponent.
That said, what's the point of making the 9-ball break more difficult when you have 10-ball? I think 9-ball racked on the footspot is good for a shorter race and 1 racked on the footspot for a longer race of 15 or so would be okay too, given how fast those racks go, and make it alternate break, and let 10-ball be winner break.
Personally if I want to see somebody run an insane number of balls and maintain control of a table keeping your opponent cold in his chair I'll watch straight pool, so I do see the point of changing the 9-ball break and/or having alternate break over a shorter race.