But it draws out so easily...
9 ball wwyd
- Thread starter Willowbrook Wolfy
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Haven't tried it at a table but as others mentioned I also feel that one rail path with inside to play above the eight as shown in the diagram is optimistic to say the least and probably impossible (and probably not super close to possible either--not without a more masse type stroke anyway). Even the one rail path with inside to play for the short side would take some work, and while possible even there I think the two rail path to play short side would be much wiser and higher percentage between the two.
There are three reasonably feasible shots here the way I see it, those being some four thirty or five o'clock draw to play one rail to the end rail and then back out above the eight as in your diagram, or a bit of high right to go two rails to land at around that same spot above the eight, or something close to straight top to go two rails to play short side and probably in that order of preference but also subject a bit to the shooter's specific competencies and what they were feeling most confident in at that moment.
What wouldn't be in consideration here is any bank on the seven as it would significantly reduce the chances for getting out compared to the other options.
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I was also thinking he sounds just like a guy that stopped posting here a few months ago. I don't remember his name at the moment (didn't he have some kind of Viking Cues profile picture though?) nor do I remember clothes on a table or a cat or dog but it was obvious the guy didn't know the game very well at all and WAY over-rated his game but would argue with everybody on obvious things that any even half experienced player would know and it was his mission to convince everybody else that his very incorrect theories, guesses and assumptions were actually right. To me he clearly appeared to be in that next stage after rank beginner where you finally start shooting pretty straight and now also know the basics of position play but you still don't have a clue how to play the game and you don't yet have a clue that you don't actually have a clue (pretty much everybody goes through this stage, you just can't see it at the time and won't truly be able to until you have managed to get past it after a lot of time and experience and in hindsight can then look back and finally see the reality of what was).
Willowbrook Wolfy, did you have your screen name changed or were you posting under a different name some months back?
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DDiabolico
DDiabolico
Of course a bank with shape comes up once in a while, but in this exact situation it's simply not the best option. If you start a WWYD thread with an exact "problem", than why would you expect a general discussion about "banks with shape"? Let's put it this way. If in this exact scenario, there was a ball blocking the path for the cueball when cutting the 7, the bank with shape would maybe become the more popular solution.
If you want to talk about scenarios where banks are most likely played over cut shots, then start a thread with that specific title and people will gladly share their opinion on that topic.
If you want to talk about scenarios where banks are most likely played over cut shots, then start a thread with that specific title and people will gladly share their opinion on that topic.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
See I’m kind of simplistic in my thinking of this one though. In the simplest rationale. The bank is one rail with a draw. Total distance traveled on table is maybe 9ft between both balls. Total distance traveled on follow is a bit further around 10ft and you are going off two rails.
I thought DeeDee made a condescending remark and put the gloves on first. Looking back. It could be taken either way. Ok no problem. So I fired one back at him. Then I get more and more posters knocking my playing ability taking it as I was referring to them getting their panties in a bunch and not just DeeDee.
Sorry. I didn’t knock anyones route or playing ability on here. Gets old. Knock the route if you want. Don’t insult my abilities if you don’t know me. You can think what you want. Doesn’t mean it’s true. This is why forums suck. Some others here can probably relate. Sometimes a comment that person to person might be sarcastic comes off as criticism or condescending.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
And one more thing after rereading this. It is a WWYD post with a poll at the top. It’s not a WSYD post or WWPD post. It means give your answer and explain if you want. Right or wrong the bank is a poll option. And I’m sure there are other players that if given the shot wouldn’t be comfortable following it because of where the 9 is. Why would they say it when they know other members will roast them for it? Different level players can feel very different shot to shot.
I even explained I didn’t like the path. That should be and was my first option. Thought I might hit the 9 on the follow. Knew I could make the bank. As others have said. “Why risk it?” The follow was more risky than the bank to me. Does that make me a bad player? No. It means I know my strengths and weaknesses as a player.
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DDiabolico
DDiabolico
I don't insult your ability, not at all. Why does it matter, what distance the cueball has to travel? The window for position is wider with a cut on the 7 and two rails out. If you hit it too hard, you will still see the 8. If you play the bank and draw, the window for position is smaller and there's less room for error. Plus, if there's an issue with the rail, the bank isn't 100%.
DDiabolico
DDiabolico
I understand what you're trying to show, but what if the table doesn't bank good? I once played on a table where the cushion might have come loose near the side pockets, which made banking balls nearly impossible. My point is, if your're playing on a table you don't know, strange things might happen, so the cut will probably, under any conditions, be the safest option.
It's all about speed control, getting the cue ball to the same side rail as the eight ball. A good player will get there 80-90% of the time. Once in a while they will get hooked by the nine.
P.S. This is not a draw shot. Running english all the way. Whoever said you should bank the seven ball should lose their posting privileges for a day.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
Yes and I’ll respect that. I’m in a better mood today. Keep in mind though that if the table doesn’t bank good your shape on the 8 following 2 rails might be into the 9. Not trying to argue about it. I knew a lot of people would cut it. Wanted to see how many would bank it with me. Obviously not many according to the poll results.
“Some have all the knowledge in the world and can’t shoot, others have zero knowledge and shoot like a superhero.”
Never underestimate your opponent….
FWIW I get the bank. The speed is easy and you got slack coming in and back out. Those who can't soft draw might get too close to the 8 but unless you butcher it and run into the 9, you'll be looking at the 8.
Except we are talking real world scenarios, proven true many, many, many times over.
Yes, the bank is unmissable if you type it in.
In the real world, with two players of the exact same ability, the player shooting the ball straight in is going to make it more often than he who banks it.
The disappointment of losing far outweighs the satisfaction one might derive from making the 7 when playing 9b.
The world is full of people who refuse to utilize available knowledge.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
I like being one of the black sheep on some things around here.
Willowbrook Wolfy
Going pro
WWYWYOTD?
What would you want your opponent to do? I'd be giddy if he went for the bank here.
Well, that might be overstatement.
Nobody likes it, if he's not the one getting that shot.
But to answer your wwwgdyop2d: miscue and don't touch anything else.
Looking at the shot again. If I was to take on the bank, (lets pretend I just suffered a stroke on the way to the table) I'd probably still follow it with inside to slide under the 9...lol.
No matter how I consider this shot. Draw has zero presence in the options for me.
No matter how I consider this shot. Draw has zero presence in the options for me.
I am sure it is too steep an angle for me to like it, but if you are confident in your stroke , nice shot to have in the bag.
Always great when you can pull defiance of reality out of your bag.
Hahaha
. Kinda reminds me of a hot spring lodge in Colorado. They had a gigantic furry beast of a cat, he was lounging by the fire with us. We were all completely twisted on medicines. The fire popped real loud. No one noticed but from my cracked eye lid I deduced the trajectory of the fire ball would take it right into the lazy cat. It took a few seconds to register that no one else saw it happen and that I’d have to act.
Sure enough the cat was on fire. Or at least getting there. He was seriously smoldering, and somehow still asleep. I was able to put him out without getting him wet which he wouldn’t have appreciated...no one noticed my heroics. Not even the ungrateful cat.
Now as to the matter at hand. I’d need to be at the table to tell for sure but that inside spin back to me is a specialty shot I do possess.
It’s tricky, and you look dumb as hell when it fails, but when it works...
You have to put a bit of a masse shot on the CB, and you’d likely have to rub the right tit of that pocket and rough in the 7...but I think it’s doable. Advisable?