When Bob Fancher said a better than average player can get 4 runs per set on a good day, how many games did he mean with the term set?
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People talk. Often times they don't make any real sense, when you think about what they say.
better than average? What does that mean too, I'd add/ask?
better than average? What does that mean too, I'd add/ask?
Most likely, he was referring to either a race to nine or eleven, the most common match lengths in nine ball competition.
Did he mean break and runs? That would not be the case at all.
On the other hand, if a "run" means 3 balls, then that would indeed define a better than average player.
Freddie <~~~ 3 is my limit
That confirms it. I need weight.
If he means 10 games per set then he has a high qualification for a better than average player. He means break and run as well. If you break and run in 9 ball 15% of the time you are better than average in my opinion considering you have an open shot after the break only 50% of the time with solid breaking skills. pros run out around 30%. if i take ball in hand after break i can run out about 25% of the time, without ball in hand ican run out aprrox - 10% of the time. i just figured i was at least an average player, but according to bob, isnt true
I think he said something without really considering it.
Why don't you do this. Find a 9' table with average pockets and play the ghost. Warm up until you're comfortable, take a Magic Rack, take ball in hand after each break and keep track of races to 7. Why don't you post the results and we can guess about what level you are, C, B, A etc.
I think you'll find with ball in hand that even 25% runout is hard to achieve if you are an average player.
9 footer would be wonderful, lol. In this area of new york they are hard to find though. i have a 6.5 fttable that has new samoin felt and is very true. It is about 25% percent smaller which means more clusters but also more green. I would estimate this makes the table about 15% easier than a nine footer. Does this sound right? How would my table size affect how i rate my run- out ability? would i take 85% of my run-out rate on a six footer to compare it to a nine footer? ex, if i ran out 25% of the time with ball in hand on a 6.5 footer (25 x .85 = my run out ability on a nine footer? )
i think your multiplier would need to be closer to .40 from my experience
Never heard of a 6.5 foot table, you sure it's not 3.5 x 7 which is common for most bar tables these days? We used to have 3 x 6 foot tables north of the Mason-Dixon up until the late '90s or later.
green is more difficult than clusters for most players, so i can't disagree
but clusters on my table are ridiculous and a lot of the time i dont even have a chance for a run unless i go for the breakout which is very unpredictable at times. On the other hand if its a nice spread a mental oyster could finish them off. i guess i just need to find some 9 foot tables to truly judge my skills
How do you suggest playing the ghost?
When I play, I play the standard way...you miss and you lose the game.
I've heard many variations that involve safety play etc which I think gives a more game-like feel to it.
I agree with the OP about clusters being a nuisance. 7ft tables (for me anyway) make it trickier to run out. On the odd occasion you get a nice spread then it makes it easier but mostly I get atleast 1 cluster of 2. Doesn't help when the cloth is covered in Budweiser either.
Ohh ,ooh, :wave3: A 9-ball thread,...... Can I throw-in my .02 ??
Hadda 6.5 in the bar league.
I play the 9's almost exclusively now.
thanks, lol. what is your point? that u wont go back to 6.5 footers? that is irrelevant to this thread..
No, I was just gonna say that itsa different game between 6.5 , 7 footers and 9 footers, that's all ! I'm headin' down for some time onna bar 7 footer now , bye .
Just break, ball in hand. 9 spots on the break, combo's on the 9 count, miss and lose.
you are right, its at least twice as hard to get a run on a nine footer. its been a while since i have played on a bigger table, until last night and played for 4 hrs. not one single break and run when usually i get at least 1 to 2 per set on my table... big tables rock, almost forgot how much more challenging and fun they are. i had a blast then came home and had three break and runs on my table, lol. my table seems like a waste of my time now.
You got a source for this?
On what kind of table?
I'll stake the ghost if you're playing on a 9' Diamond.