90/90 aiming
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Read this yet? At least one guy thinks so.
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#ninety
http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/aiming.html#ninety
Doc Dave DEC,08 article
Doc Dave I love your diagrams and all the technical stuff, anf If I read and wathed all your material I would first take a math course at Colorado State...But again you are wrong, wrong, wrong...
The bridge hand or the length of the bridge to the ball...Again I repeat HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AIMING AT THE BALL...First of all the cue has no brain and If you were to asked It where it was you would get no answer...So If you make your bridge 6 or 16" away from the ball It`s all the same...
The pivot is In the finger and not BHE.or some where on the shaft..When you swiel your cue tip shoud be very close to the cue ball and not more than 1/4" from the cue ball...Your right about one thig distance does matter when you use the 90/90 and i`am sure you do not know why...AND I`M NOT TELLINGYOU I only give that info to my students who pay or don`t pay...And most of them don`t ...
Regards Ron V
Doc Dave I love your diagrams and all the technical stuff, anf If I read and wathed all your material I would first take a math course at Colorado State...But again you are wrong, wrong, wrong...
The bridge hand or the length of the bridge to the ball...Again I repeat HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AIMING AT THE BALL...First of all the cue has no brain and If you were to asked It where it was you would get no answer...So If you make your bridge 6 or 16" away from the ball It`s all the same...
The pivot is In the finger and not BHE.or some where on the shaft..When you swiel your cue tip shoud be very close to the cue ball and not more than 1/4" from the cue ball...Your right about one thig distance does matter when you use the 90/90 and i`am sure you do not know why...AND I`M NOT TELLINGYOU I only give that info to my students who pay or don`t pay...And most of them don`t ...
Regards Ron V
Ron,
See my December '08 BD article. Bridge length can affect many things, including the "effective pivot length" of a pivot. Also, see the CTE resource page. I have several illustrations and explanations concerning "effective pivot length" and how it can be changed.
Regards,
Dave
See my December '08 BD article. Bridge length can affect many things, including the "effective pivot length" of a pivot. Also, see the CTE resource page. I have several illustrations and explanations concerning "effective pivot length" and how it can be changed.
Regards,
Dave
brdge hand
Dave I know your a great guy and put in many hours in trying to help people play better pool...But the most important thing in learning is the quality of info your coach gives you and how much of t you can retain...One of the most impotant thing In teaching Is..
1-how simple can you make it as a ccoach
2-Howfast can the student learn this so that he will show improvment on the first shot...
3-Will he understand it or have to practise It over and over...
4- most of my new students need minor corrections, and then they`ve got It.
I believe that all systems work and will improve your game as long as it is easy to teach and easy to learn...The moe complicated you make it by putting out too much info, the harder it is to learn...
I gave 50 lessons over the phone for free all over the world...I gave each person 20 shots by puttting ourselves in the same psition at the table made them line each shot and most hit 20 out of 20...They could not believe they were going in without looking at the pocket...The worst I got was 18 out of 20...
And by the way I did this from my sofa at home..
I wish you and I were able to get together for a day in N.Y.C. I can`t come out there health is not great and just turned 70 wow..So If you were ever to make a plan to get to N.Y.C.I think we could understand each other much better...
Lets really try to do this and end this battle forever
Regards
RonV.
Dave I know your a great guy and put in many hours in trying to help people play better pool...But the most important thing in learning is the quality of info your coach gives you and how much of t you can retain...One of the most impotant thing In teaching Is..
1-how simple can you make it as a ccoach
2-Howfast can the student learn this so that he will show improvment on the first shot...
3-Will he understand it or have to practise It over and over...
4- most of my new students need minor corrections, and then they`ve got It.
I believe that all systems work and will improve your game as long as it is easy to teach and easy to learn...The moe complicated you make it by putting out too much info, the harder it is to learn...
I gave 50 lessons over the phone for free all over the world...I gave each person 20 shots by puttting ourselves in the same psition at the table made them line each shot and most hit 20 out of 20...They could not believe they were going in without looking at the pocket...The worst I got was 18 out of 20...
And by the way I did this from my sofa at home..
I wish you and I were able to get together for a day in N.Y.C. I can`t come out there health is not great and just turned 70 wow..So If you were ever to make a plan to get to N.Y.C.I think we could understand each other much better...
Lets really try to do this and end this battle forever
Regards
RonV.
Found it
Thanks for the link. I had not heard the '90-90' term before.
I don't get it, but I found the link.
Interesting discussions-certainly they must have merit-but I better stick to center ball WWGBB. (Where Would Ghost Ball Be--If I could deliver it there at contact--sorta).
Thanks again
Thanks for the link. I had not heard the '90-90' term before.
I don't get it, but I found the link.
Interesting discussions-certainly they must have merit-but I better stick to center ball WWGBB. (Where Would Ghost Ball Be--If I could deliver it there at contact--sorta).
Thanks again
Thanks.
I disagree. I don't think the true value a coach or instructor provides is information. Lots of great information can be found in good books and videos (and sometimes, even on the Internet). To me, the most important value a coach offers is the ability and experience to work with a player as a unique individual, catering the instruction to best help that person improve.
Agreed. For more info, see: benefits of "aiming systems."
Ron, I will certainly take you up on this offer the next time I'm in the NYC area.
Regards,
Dave
I now understand the basis of this dispute...
You're saying that the sole criterion for determining the efficacy of an aiming system is the ease with which it may be taught/learned. And Dr. Dave keeps screwing things up with his apparent insistence that aiming systems should be somewhat consistent with the laws of physics.
Got it.
(Just thought I'd pinch hit here until PJ makes his way back.)
You're saying that the sole criterion for determining the efficacy of an aiming system is the ease with which it may be taught/learned. And Dr. Dave keeps screwing things up with his apparent insistence that aiming systems should be somewhat consistent with the laws of physics.
Got it.
(Just thought I'd pinch hit here until PJ makes his way back.)
Yes and no. What if a player could have reached the point where he puts the ball in the hole... in half the time?
What aiming systems seem to promise and what they actually deliver may be directly opposite. I think aiming systems may confuse and slow down a player's development. Instead of one simple estimation (where's the contact point on the OB?) or a visual judgment like "this is a 1/3rd ball hit"... a player wastes time on several smaller estimates and guesses and judgment calls.
Basically, that time could have been spent hitting balls instead of jumping through silly hoops that involve pivoting and visualizing invisible circles and lines. What the system player never realizes is he could jump directly to the last step - aim & fire.
Worst is... they get a bad case of wishful thinking and get unrealistic expectations, like expecting their pocketing to double overnight.
Eh - I think the opposite. I think these systems are better for advanced players looking to make their setup systematic, resulting in a rock-solid pre-shot routine. I've never been successful showing any system to a hack.
All I know is I was plateaued after 15 years of playing until I learned this stuff. I haven't plateaued since.
Basically, 90/90, CTE, shishkebob, etc, are all pre-shot routines that result in fewer troughs and more peaks in performance.
When I first learned this stuff my game prob dipped-- but as I developed my "crap" initial technique, my improvement has been constant. I bet most people who aren't successful have horrible technique. Crap in=crap out.
Awesome! That means I don't have to try and process this stuff just yet, right?
(tho I'll still be watching and reading... the discussion alone is fun, even if I don't follow much of it. And truthfully, given how little table time I get, trying to become proficient with any "system" wouldn't be very likely. I'll just continue to work on my stroke when I can, and muddle along best possible. I do enjoy watching you folks work this stuff out.)
I think you and I can get on the same page and not squabble on the subject of CTE. That's half how I see it too. It's a routine, you're really focused while you do it... it's so much the system, it's the fact that you're doing something systematically. It seems like it'd be harder to halfass a ball when you must go through a routine. And as a result you focus and make the ball.
I don't think you make the ball because the steps lead up to a geometrically correct line of aim. Beyond that I think there's feel and experience necessary to make it work. That's really all I need to hear from CTE. I can accept that and don't need to knock it if someone admits up front that's part of the process.
I came into the CTE discussion just hoping to play with it. If my consistency went up, awesome. But really I'm just into collecting pool knowledge. Still would be perfectly happy to try it (or 90/90, or anything else).