A few things I learned on AZ
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SpiderWebComm said:JAM -
Who do you think is the best player in the world? Who does Keith think is the best player in the world?
Would you mind asking Keith?
Thanks a lot
Dave
Me: I cannot pick a "best" player. :grin:
Keith: He likes Cowboy Jimmy Moore, for starters.
JAM said:Me: I cannot pick a "best" player. :grin:
Keith: He likes Cowboy Jimmy Moore, for starters.
I just had an opportunity to ask my "date." LOL!
He seems to think Wimpy was pretty strong in his day and probably the best all-around player!
The best stroke of them all, my "date" says, is Cowboy Jimmy Moore, just like I thought he would say!
My date says Keith McCready, when he was in his prime, was pretty strong. :thumbup:
Johnnyt said:
This may or may not be true. Today's meany deadlocks in tour formation are a function of the fact that it takes a little blind faith to get the ball rolling for any tour to succeed.
Every proprietor of a pool tour wants to be able to promise the participation of a specific field of players to any possible venue sponsor because it makes it easier for the proprietor to sell the event and easier for the venue sponsor to market it ...... But what pool proprietor is in a position to make such a promise unless some top players have made commitments to them? ..... And what top player will make a commitment to a proprietor that has no planned events? .......... so nothing ever gets done because the proprietors and the players can only move forward if they have some blnd faith in each other.
Unless a proprietor can guarantee a lot of income to players prior to receiving any commitments (see KT and the IPT) or the players will make binding commitments while a tour is still forming (as many did in the case of CJ Wiley's PCA tour in the late 1990's), it's always tough to get a new tour started.
And who can blame the players for their distrust of proprietors when they aren't even always getting paid the prize money due them. Incidents like the 2006 IPT Reno event and the 2008 World Ten Ball Championship erode the spirit of many pro players ...... still, the truth remains that they'll have to have a renaissance of faith in the pool investor to jumpstart their sport. As a policy, "show me the money" won't, in my opinion, work for pool players.
Johnnyt said:
In a perfect world, only the most elite would play on the biggest stages. Unfortunately, such an arrangement would, for now, be incongruous with one of pool's greatest realities of the moment ---- little added money. Shane Van Boening managed to take home $16,000 from the low-entry-fee Derby City nine ball event because well over 400 people played in it and most of them bought back into the field at some point.
But this is the real world, and you can't have an elite-only tour in which the players can make a solid income without either a very high entry fee (which would hurt player earning prospects) or a lot of added money. But, in the eyes of most proprietors and would-be proprietors, you can't have a lot of added money without the promise of a lot of revenue, so until pool can demonstrate its ability to deliver the revenue, proprietors may be slow to invest heavily in the sport,
Pool's business model needs work, as most of us already understand.
jay helfert said:
Jay,
I am surprised that you, of all people, would express such feelings.
Granted, the player's themselves are mostly to blame for their failure to organize. But do you really see NO hope for that EVER happening ?
You certainly have an inside track, we all know that. Your TD and event promoting record is second to none IMO.
Don't you have another LA Open cooking in the oven.
Perhaps you have become a little jaded and are resigned to just enjoy tournaments for what they are, and see no viable prospect for improvement with regards to TV exposure and sponsorship interest.
While there have been some very discouraging setbacks over the years, I still hold out hope the best is yet to come. I think, deep down, you do too.
Hope we get to see it happen !
Looking forward to reading your take on the various fiascos that have kept professional pool from making it.
Dick
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JAM said:
Tailgating???? I haven't been on since Saturday, so you can quit with all the I'm following you crap. It does seem however that you are constantly jumping on people telling them they have no right to post, it's just getting a little old and I for one am tired of it.
The tournament model is very hard to sell. To televise it, you can show highlights of preliminary matches, but then you have to just settle for the final few matches, stretched out over 3 or 4 episodes. There are other avenues to explore in promoting pool, other formats to try and find what works.
To get non pool player interest, you have to have something interesting in there, be it a points race to the end of a season, team play like every other marketable sport out there etc etc etc.... there are tons of things that could be done...... but everybody sticks to the old tried and failed tournament format.
Chuck
To get non pool player interest, you have to have something interesting in there, be it a points race to the end of a season, team play like every other marketable sport out there etc etc etc.... there are tons of things that could be done...... but everybody sticks to the old tried and failed tournament format.
Chuck
Guess what JAM you've got some RED REP coming back at ya. BTW you are the only one to RED REP me. I think everybody on here is sick of you trying to police and attack everyone on here. Why don't YOU learn to play pool, then come back and tell some of your own stories.
You are certainly not speaking for me when you say 'everybody' and now you have some RED Reps from me.
How good do you have to play pool to have an opinion?
How good do you have to play pool to have an opinion?
jasonlaus said:
SJDinPHX said:
I'm ALWAYS optimistic Dick, but I have been a witness to the past. Like you, I'd like to see there be a pro tour, but at this point in time, I am resigned to no longer trying to be the point man. I put a good twenty years in trying to make something happen in this respect and was even rebuffed by the BCA when I presented a viable plan, and their coffers were flush. All water under the bridge now.
There may or may not be another L.A. Open. It is a huge undertaking to produce an event like this, and a thankless task at best. I could make more money working a 40 hour week at MacDonald's. :wink:
Thought; TONS of Golf advice is analogise and easily transfered to pool, likewise a model that mirrored golf's qualification for a tour card and the model by which you qualify.. (ie; Que school, and or lower level tours (nationwide tour, nike tour, etc..) would work extremely well for the structure by which pool & and a true "Pro" tour would become very successful.
RiverCity said:
If all goes well, you will see something new being announced by the end of March that is not putting new lipstick on the same old pig. This new game/format and scoring system does address the issues you and others have expressed. I will say this, John Schmidt is our staff pro helping to put it all together. I will give more information only after I know its a done deal for sure.
DC
Tom In Cincy said:
Grow up!!!!!!!!!!!! Back at ya, I can't believe how childish some people are. LOL me included for sending you RED when it's not worth my time, but like they say they did it to me first.
she's the one that is always commenting on how people play and they shouldn't post if they are not pro's.
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