A long comment on "aiming systems" ...

Here's how close you came to being gone from here forever on Saturday :) Would CTE/Pro one help me to slow down a little?

http://youtu.be/C5_GROeLnCU

I was but I couldn't stand it and had to say something. Bummer about the run, aiming systems don't slow you down. They just help you line up, if you already are making everything you shoot at then you don't need to change do you?

You'd have to ask Stevie Moore who was already world class when he went to Stan what ProOne did for him.

Or Matt Krah who credits ProOne with improving his game and Matt was already a top shortstop/pro player before going to Stan.

Ask them, not me, I am not even as good as you are.
 
Joey, everyone has an opinion on what works for THEM. I've listen to the pros. I've posted the article where 12 pros were interviewed about their aiming methods. The FACT is, the is no SECRET method of aiming. Some systems work for some but no one system works for all! Most pros have and still do use ghostball or their own variation of it! You can debate all you want but you cannot change the facts. Yes, some people have a what seems to be a natural ability...but most do not and therefore we require pratice to acquire such an ability. Aiming is only one part of of many disciplines called the fundamentals. I simply do not understand why so much talk is about the simplest discipline of all, and nobody talks about the other disciplines. There are a lot of reasons why advanced pool players will miss both easy and hard shots...few will EVER miss a shot because their aim was off!
There is NOTHING natural about playing pool! There are no natural instincts passed on by generations of our species. The skills you need to play this game you will need to acquire! The more you practice the basic fundamentals of pool, the more skills you will acquire! It is realy that simple! There are no shortcuts! To become a world class player you will need to do what every other world class player has done. Practice, practice, practice! No world class player became a world class player because of he found a shortcut or a new device that enables him or her to play better than anyone else.
There is also the mental aspect of this game that too many people dimiss. Probably the most important is motivation! What motivates you to play this game? When your motivation becomes your livelihood than you will make the sacrifices to acquire the necessary skills to get a paycheck now and then. When your motivation is to impress your buddies, you will be less likely to make the same sacrifices as a world class player!

Randy,
There are shortcuts to learning. You as an instructor, know this (if you are an instructor, as I don't really know who you are).


No one is saying that if you learn ANY particular aiming system that you will become a world class player, based upon that alone. The only people saying this are the ones who don't like CTE/Pro1.

I agree that motivation toward excellence is probably overlooked by many people as one of the most important mental aspects of the game.

You sound like you know the game well and that you understand teaching.
But if you truly understood teaching, you have to acknowledge that there are many people who are learning how to play better pool by learning CTE/Pro1, if not by what is in the video, then by what other people have reported in their own personal journey with CTE/Pro1.

Personally speaking I don't think that anyone has to learn CTE/Pro1 to become a great player.

I don't even believe that CTE/Pro1 is necessarily the best method for learning how to aim. I DO KNOW CTE/Pro1can help some people play better pool.

I've used practically every aiming sytem on the market and they all work to some degree. Some are so simple they can be explained in minutes but it may take you a lifetime to execute consistently.

CTE/Pro1 is an all encompassing, aiming system designed to help the player get to the correct sight pattern.

I'm with you 100% on the fundamentals, the mental game and the thousands of hours of quality practice.

You're right that no one system works for all. But you're WRONG if you said CTE/Pro1 is a waste of money and you owe Stan an apology in person and on this forum.
 
Hmmmm, in your last post you said "CTE/Pro1 does NOT require too much focus on aiming"...so I guess you have just confirmed that the pros you watched at Derby City were NOT using CTE/Pro 1! I could have told you that!

I've watched the pros play myself...many, many, times! I watched both Johnny Archer and Kim Davenport play many times at Marietta Billiards Club (the place I visited the most when I was on the road). Most if not all the pros have visualized their aiming (shot) line BEFORE they go down on the shot. Once they are down, they are now focusing on another aspect of the shot execution (usually small adjustments to tip placement). Nobody really sees the shot line after they are down. The only exception may be an ultra-thin (edge to edge) cut. Most pros have already put "aiming" on auto-pilot...that is why they practice, practice, practice!

Really what post?
 
John I said I could do it today, not this month. But I spent an hour or so and failed so I give up. I choked a straight in nine ball in the fifth rack of one run for the cheese. I'm too embarrassed to post the video so you win. I didn't want to have to lie and all that stuff anyway. I just wanted a challenge for my practice time today. Thanks,

JC
What took you so long ? :thumbup:
 
I remember the good ol days where pool used to be fun. You know, the excitement after getting out and beating a great opponent, or even just making an extremely difficult shot (with witnesses). :o
 
I am open minded and I tried

I will have to say this. I own the Pro 1 dvd. I watched it and I really didn't get it. Even though I lived in the US for 12 years English is not my mother tongue. It was way too complicated for my little language skills.

I use the OB and CB contact point system. Basically I find the contact point on the OB and find which part of the CB I will hit it, then I hit it..

I got a lot of help from azbilliards users on here and I have a lot better stroke then I used to.

I was watching youtube videos and I saw one of JB's video.

This is the one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SEJz7PujM

I tried this on a 9 foot table. I have to say I made more shots. I even cut the ball in the corner when a STRAIGHT in SIDE pocket shot on my first try.

Here is how I do it.

I close my left eye while (cue is the air) (I am right eye dominant)
Do the center to the edge (cue is the air)
move it parallel line to the other edge of the CB (cue is the air)
I come down right at the center of the CB.
Stroke straight..
Shoot
OB is in.

The only time I had trouble was the CB was FAR from me. I don't think I came down right at the center of the cue ball because I had to extend myself.

When the cue is in the air and you are dealing with long shots it is tough to visualize things because balls are much smaller than the cue from where you look at. So it is essential to make sure the CENTER of the cue goes right at the CENTER of the CB and the edge of the object ball at the same time.


Try the video. Make sure you have a laser straight stroke. It will work I promise.

In order for me to have a straight stroke I pause at the last back swing. It helped me. Maybe it can help you too.
 
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BTW Collision induced throw still plays a role here. I make the OB but it doesn't go to the center of the pocket unless the OB is relatively close to the pocket. It still goes though.

I don't know how it would work on a 4" or tighter pockets.
 
John

Where DOES your arm go? Your elbow juts out a mile! Forget your toe and think about your arm.

Bro, Just try it. Don't worry about what the man does in the video. Try it with your stroke.

Noone's saying this would be the only way one should make the OB. It will work.
 
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