I don't call fouls like that one. I also tell my opponent if they happen to be lined up on the incorrect ball.
I care less about the rules than I do integrity.
I care less about the rules than I do integrity.
A Nit Or Not A Nit..
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That implies that someone following the rules doesn't care about their integrity as a player. Not sure if you meant that by extension. What about the integrity of the game...? The problem here isn't the guy calling the foul. It's the guy who fouled and thinks he should get away with it because of whatever assumed bs. The only person that should have been calling that foul, was the OP. Where's the comments about his integrity...?
The winner of the match isn't supposed to be the guy who made the most money balls. It supposed to be the guy who played within the rules and still made the most. There's repercussions beyond the match at hand. If those non-called fouls end up aiding the player to advance in the tournament, you're potentially screwing over other players. I know that sounds like a stretch, but it is a potential reality.
It would have only taken a moment to confirm with the other guy about moving the template before a ref got there. If both agreed that no foul would be called, then there you go. If there was any moment of hesitation, then you simply wait. Problem solved.
Would I have called that foul...? Well it is a foul, and in that situation they are supposed to be using refs to remove templates, so...., (edit: I want to add that I would warn the player as they reached for the template) If the player decided to adjust an overhead light shade and it fell on the table and subsequently moved a ball. Would he avoid a foul because he claimed he was acting as 'room maintenance'...?
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fk all that noise, i was acting the same as a ref.. real rocket science..
You were, perhaps, a victim of circumstance here, but the rules were applied correctly. Although it seems you've chosen to go on complaining and persist in your original view, your best move now is to learn from the experience so you don't commit this indiscretion again.
You 'assumed' the role of the ref. If that was acceptable then they wouldn't have had refs to begin with. That's not even close to rocket science
Even in cue ball only rules I will ask my opponent to come help or at least watch if I think there is a chance to move a ball while removing the template. Its no different than having a ref or fellow player (if no ref is available) watch a questionable shot even if I am the one shooting. Too many people like to call fouls on close but good hits to get back to the table. If it happens to you once it should never happen again, if it does its because you failed.
When in doubt, call TD, Referee.
Followed that tournament on "challonge app" as I had a few friends playing.
Monster field.
Hope you did well.
It was a punk ass move for sure. Some people on here would clearly make the same punk ass move...it is what it is.
I played in the event as well. The tournament director had a player's meeting Friday night. He really wanted this to be a professional event so we played all ball fouls and we had 4 referees arms length away at all times. He set the rules that removing the magic rack was a foul if a ball was touched and that we were to ask a referee to do this. There was NEVER a delay with this request.
I'll admit it is unusual. Usually when I play all ball fouls my opponent and I make a gentleman's agreement not to call fouls on each other when removing a template. If there are multiple balls in the rack area and there is any chance it will impact play then we get the ref, if not we just peel it and no big deal. But at this event the refs and TD said that wasn't ok. Even if we agreed on that the ref could step in, call foul, and pick up the cue ball. This was how they were told to enforce the rules. So when I played I asked a ref to pull the magic rack.
In the end the TD makes the rules and we play by them. Anytime something differs from what we normally do it seems like it is wrong. Remember when they played the tournament where every 10 ball had to be called, no matter how easy, and multiple pros lost matches because they shot a 10 ball straight into the corner but forgot to call it? This is no different. Go to the player's meeting and make sure you cover your bases when you compete. There is always an odd rule to adjust to and it's your job as a competitor to adjust. If you don't it's not the rule's fault or your opponent's fault, it's yours.
I'll admit it is unusual. Usually when I play all ball fouls my opponent and I make a gentleman's agreement not to call fouls on each other when removing a template. If there are multiple balls in the rack area and there is any chance it will impact play then we get the ref, if not we just peel it and no big deal. But at this event the refs and TD said that wasn't ok. Even if we agreed on that the ref could step in, call foul, and pick up the cue ball. This was how they were told to enforce the rules. So when I played I asked a ref to pull the magic rack.
In the end the TD makes the rules and we play by them. Anytime something differs from what we normally do it seems like it is wrong. Remember when they played the tournament where every 10 ball had to be called, no matter how easy, and multiple pros lost matches because they shot a 10 ball straight into the corner but forgot to call it? This is no different. Go to the player's meeting and make sure you cover your bases when you compete. There is always an odd rule to adjust to and it's your job as a competitor to adjust. If you don't it's not the rule's fault or your opponent's fault, it's yours.
***Please read my above post. I want to note one important thing: The TD had a player's meeting covering this situation and it was different from most tournaments I've played. If you don't read this and just use traditional etiquette your answer isn't relevant. Thank you.***
It was you, wasn't it?
No. But I damn sure had a ref pull the turtle racks off for me so it didn't happen to me. I guess it comes down to if you want to focus on other's behavior outside of your control and be a victim, or if you want be harshly accountable with yourself and be a winner. Enforcing an uncommon rule is a misdemeanor, not taking 100% ownership for your own error is a felony.
I watched the tail end of one of your matches... Thought for sure you had the come back in hand.
So it looks as though the supposed "nit" did exactly what the TD wanted him to do... ...and the other 'not nit'(?) broke the rules clearly set out in the player's meeting....lol
Probably won't change any of the Banger's opinions though.
You play well (and very slow), and you help a lot of people with their game. You seem like a really nice guy...but you are tedious, amigo.
Exactly!