A none murdered animal cue please.
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seb9 said:
Yes, Vikings are beautiful cues and they actually hit well too. I've won or placed in many tournaments with mine which was custom-made for me and I get a lot of compliments. Sorry, part of it is ivory, but don't tell my daughter who is vegetarian too.
Check out F-10's on up. F00 to F09 seem to have more ivory in them.
http://www.vikingcue.com/pages/cues/f10f19.html
seb9 said:
Meucci, McDermott and many other cues are made with dead dinosaurs, does that count? Any cue with a leather tip has a dead animal on it. What about lizard wraps, kangaroo wraps, etc??? What about the spray booths used by cuemakers that kill all the bugs that fly into their vents? OMG the poor bugs..
JV (---wished people would research ivory and the law
Danktrees said:
you are right the African elephants will kill you in a big hurry, especially cows, tuskless(recessive genitic trait) are the meanest of them all or when they have calfs(cute little guys). The elephant populations are at record levels since game counts started over 100 years ago, killing endangered animals or killing elephants in areas where there are small endangered populations of elephants(not to many areas) is worse than wrong, its unconsienciable(SP?), but killing elephants where there are strong populations that will renew themselfs at the rate they are being harvested is ok, killing elephants to the extent your reducing the size of the heards is no good either, so it depends on the circumstances, I have killed elephants and will again. I wouldnt ever shoot a rhino, infact it is LEGAL to shoot and kill rhino and ivory poachers in most countrys-Zimbabwe etc.
The $$ that I pay or anyone who sport hunts any animal goes into the Parks(like the game wardens here) to control the poachers, do game counts and define quotas every year to insure the groewth and managment of ALL animals. Hunting is the largest source of $$ for most southern african countrys thus they protect the game to insure their oun future.
All the animals that are killed in africa are eaten, no protein goes to waste in Africa, hell they eat the lungs of animals, all the hides, bones etc are used or turned into carvings etc, Ivory is just a small % of what is used, when an dead elephant is found the Ivory is measured, weighed, and the area is recorded, there are wearhouses of tusks, they used to burn them when they had no-more room, now they got smart and sell most of it to china.
Its a industry that is misunderstood by 99% of Americans because of all the bogus charitys raising $$$ under the pretence that they are going to save the world and all the animals in it, meanwhile they are living lavishly on ill gotten gains, the Christains who go to Africa and build schools etc. are accepted by the people who live in the bush with open arms because they get cloths and food, when the Christians leave they vacate the buildings they build and go back to their huts-I have plenty of pics, they perfer their huts to proper buildings, in the urban areas its different its like it is here just not as nice, but bushmen are bushmen,
thats the end of my Africa lession, but dont worrie about Ivory and killing elephants. its ok.
bigskyjake said:
They are wonderful in the Circus too!
seb9 said:
It's not necessarily legal, but it does exist.
They call it Los Angeles.
Russ
respect for an animal does not equal a free pass
Somewhat...but you should understand that most humans tend to embrace the fact that we are omnivores and do at least occasionally eat animal products. I personally eat every schnitzel within reach, even if its not mine.
As to your claim that respecting an animal necessarily implies leaving it alone, I disagree. As a formerly avid fisherman and spearfisherman, I did and still do have a lot of respect for the fish I killed. I admired them for their cunning instincts, for their strength, for their beauty, but mostly I admired them in nicely trimmed one to two pound slabs on a BBQ.
This may seem contradictiory, but my friends and I back in the states helped our fisheries a lot more than we took from them. But yes, we killed stuff.
Somewhat...but you should understand that most humans tend to embrace the fact that we are omnivores and do at least occasionally eat animal products. I personally eat every schnitzel within reach, even if its not mine.
As to your claim that respecting an animal necessarily implies leaving it alone, I disagree. As a formerly avid fisherman and spearfisherman, I did and still do have a lot of respect for the fish I killed. I admired them for their cunning instincts, for their strength, for their beauty, but mostly I admired them in nicely trimmed one to two pound slabs on a BBQ.
This may seem contradictiory, but my friends and I back in the states helped our fisheries a lot more than we took from them. But yes, we killed stuff.
Wow
You really don't see the difference there do you?? Only a truley missguided person would even compare taking a human life to killing an elefant. Even better yet your serious arn't you, you really don't see the fault in that logic?
Heres a question for you if your such an animal lover what kind of tip do you use???? I'm sure you don't use a leather tip like the rest of the people in the world right?----break cues excluded----
seb9 said:
You really don't see the difference there do you?? Only a truley missguided person would even compare taking a human life to killing an elefant. Even better yet your serious arn't you, you really don't see the fault in that logic?
Heres a question for you if your such an animal lover what kind of tip do you use???? I'm sure you don't use a leather tip like the rest of the people in the world right?----break cues excluded----
nyjoe14.1 said:
Yes i do view all lives as equals but i was just making a point that if we were the ones who would be in a situation where we would be hunted down for sports and our body we would have more compassion and empathy towards other lives then the majority of the people do now.
Not complicated really.
seb9 said:
Nope you just don't get it.
All lives are not equal, were at the TOP of the food chain. We send people (and the occasional chimp) into outer space, build bridges, write poetry, not to brest implants (dam that guy was a genius) lol. Animals eat, shi*t, and sleep. Advantage us.
No my friend we have to agree to disagree on this one. I wish you the best of luck in finding a cue and i truly appreciate the good debate. BUT really what kind of tip do you use???
Geez, 11 pages of argument... Comon people.
Hey man, if you knew all the cruel and inhumane things humans did to animals, you would puke your guts out! It's sad that some things happen in our world, but there is really nothing you can do about it. If it would eat away at your conscience knowing you bought a cue with ivory in it, then get a cheap one without all those high end stuff in them. I appriciate your consern for elephants, but untill they start building civilizations they will be a lower species, and humans will continue to take advantage of them.
BTW. Do you know that one elephant brings in millions of tourism money to the African country. So in all actuallity, killing that elephant will do more damage than good.
Hey man, if you knew all the cruel and inhumane things humans did to animals, you would puke your guts out! It's sad that some things happen in our world, but there is really nothing you can do about it. If it would eat away at your conscience knowing you bought a cue with ivory in it, then get a cheap one without all those high end stuff in them. I appriciate your consern for elephants, but untill they start building civilizations they will be a lower species, and humans will continue to take advantage of them.
BTW. Do you know that one elephant brings in millions of tourism money to the African country. So in all actuallity, killing that elephant will do more damage than good.
Synthetic tips
I just got off the phone with Ricardo Montalban - he was saying something about a new corinthian leather tip?!
I just got off the phone with Ricardo Montalban - he was saying something about a new corinthian leather tip?!
you probably do have that movie
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