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poolplayer1988

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I'm trying to figure out if gambling is wrong as a Christian, and why? I know this is probably a more Biblical discussion than a pool discussion, but I just wanted to get you guys' opinion. I've heard that gambling was bad because in the Bible, the soldiers "cast lots" for Jesus' clothes. BUT, later on in the book of Acts the Apostles "cast lots" to decide who the disciple would be that replaced Judas Iscariot. Hmmmm....... Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. :confused:
 
I would not consider playing in a tournament gambling. As far as why gambling is wrong i think it might have something to do with greed, and taking from other people.
 
Greedy...

I wouldn't say that ALL players who play for money are greedy, just 98% of them. ;) Personally, when I play, I could play for money or for the game, because I just love the competition. I've played for 8 hours for money, and then again I've played 8 hours for the heck of it....same difference to me.


fxskater said:
I would not consider playing in a tournament gambling. As far as why gambling is wrong i think it might have something to do with greed, and taking from other people.
 
Please feel free to get with me personally and I can explain to you in detail what the biblical view is in relation to this issue. This is covered in Deuteronomy 5:21. Having been a ruthless gambler for most of my playing career, I feel more than qualified to explain this issue from both sides of the coin. Also, feel free to visit sites such as

www.gospeltrickshot.com

as well as Tom Rossman's site, where this issue is also discussed. Both players have used their table skills to create ministries that serve The Lord.

Good Luck & God Bless
 
I dont know about the biblical aspect but just my moral perspective. If im playing someone I know I can beat and know that that person does not take advantage of weeker players. Than I feel bad. So I just dont do it. I probably lose more money than I win just because I like to play the better players. All the money does is give you bragging rights. You couldnt pay any pool player in love with pool a million dollars not to ever pick up a stick again.
 
Wouldn't an action game qualify as a two person tournament with an indeterminate prize fund and zero added?
 
Decide what is right and wrong according to your values and follow that lead. If you follow a leader who decides for you and for society in general then you are subject to his/her rules and interpretations of rules. Let your conscience guide you and play pool according to the rules you believe in respecting how a person should treat another person.

I have no idea what is right for you but I see nothing wrong about making a wager based on my belief that I can beat you at one game or another as long as I have not misrepresented anything.
 
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I'm not particularly religious, but I do have strong moral values. One of these is that I don't think I should tell other people how they should live their lives. But I can tell you my values, and you can choose to take it or leave it. That is up to you.

So far as gambling goes, as a rule, I don't ever gamble!

Why?

1. I know the math and I know the odds are I will lose money. It is a bad investment period.

2. My bills and everything else has priority over gambling. If I have extra money left over which I don't need and can throw away, then I will use that for a little gambling sometimes (with a pre-set limit). Usually I don't have extra money laying around, so I rarely if ever gamble.

3. If I do gamble, it is for high gain only. It is silly to waste $20 trying to win $300. I'll go for the big bucks only (lottery, million plus slots, etc.) Over time it adds up. I have a problem spending $1000 over a period of years trying to win $300. I have no problem with spending $1000 over a period of years trying to win a million plus.

Pool and money games...

Up until recently, I did not play pool with money on the game. But this has changed. I am now a better player and I have learned that the best pool players can be found at money tournaments and when playing for money. And my opponents and I play our best games when playing one on one for money.

I have learned that if I want to improve my game, I need to play the best players and get them to play their best game while playing me. This can be done when playing for money.

In my case, I don't view this as gambling, I view it as paid pool lessons. But there is a discount or profit for my lessons if I win! Can't beat that.

But back to moral values, I have conditions when playing money games with other players....

Some other people are addicted to gambling and will spend their last cent on gambling. They just can't wait to go dump every cent they have into a video poker machine. They will spend their rent money and money they need to feed their family. If I am playing someone like this for money and I know the money they are playing with is needed for basics, I will take it, then let them win it back. I can't take their money and live with myself.

If it is someone who is playing with extra "throw-away" money, then I have no problem taking their money.

So far as the money I can/will lose, it is my pool lesson money and set aside in my budget for this purpose (my bills always come first). I may use this money to buy books, pay an instructor for lessons, or lose it when playing for money. Lately I am of the opinion that my pool lesson money is best spent playing others for money. i.e. I think I get the most bang for my buck - the best lessons - my game improves the most.

When playing for money, it can go back and forth all night. It can end with one person slightly ahead or both come out even. From a financial point of view, these lessons are the least expensive I've ever had. But better than that, they are the BEST lessons!

So basically I have no problem gambling so long as I am not hurting myself and not hurting other people. And in my case with pool, the money is just a way to motivate other players to play their best game and in turn give me the best lessons possible.
 
In both biblical examples you mention of "casting lots" (for Jesus' clothing and replacing Judas), neither was gambling. Both were an unbiased decision making process, just like flipping a coin to see who breaks.
rayjay :p
 
Only If .........

You asked -"I'm trying to figure out if gambling is wrong as a Christian".

ONLY IF YOU LOSE !!!

TY & GL
 
poolplayer1988 said:
I'm trying to figure out if gambling is wrong as a Christian, and why? I know this is probably a more Biblical discussion than a pool discussion, but I just wanted to get you guys' opinion. I've heard that gambling was bad because in the Bible, the soldiers "cast lots" for Jesus' clothes. BUT, later on in the book of Acts the Apostles "cast lots" to decide who the disciple would be that replaced Judas Iscariot. Hmmmm....... Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. :confused:


you should get in contact with Tommy Kennedy in Florida. He runs the SE Open. He is a born again Christian and does personal consulting on these matters. He is really a great person...
 
Blackjack said:
Please feel free to get with me personally and I can explain to you in detail what the biblical view is in relation to this issue. This is covered in Deuteronomy 5:21. Having been a ruthless gambler for most of my playing career, I feel more than qualified to explain this issue from both sides of the coin. Also, feel free to visit sites such as

www.gospeltrickshot.com

as well as Tom Rossman's site, where this issue is also discussed. Both players have used their table skills to create ministries that serve The Lord.

Good Luck & God Bless

Thou shalt not covet??????
Covers gambling?????
 
Gambling, in this case meaning two people competing for money, each of whom is expecting to win based on his SKILL, IMO is not immoral (but I can't say whether it's a sin according to the Bible); hustling, meaning one person trying to trick the other into THINKING he can win based on immoral principles (i.e. lying), IS immoral. Most Christians I know don't gamble at all, however. I agree with JustPlay that Tommy Kennedy is a great guy to ask (he truly is one of the nicest guys in pool!). Also perhaps Cueman will respond to this thread as I think he could shed some light as well. Check out this link: http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=8391&highlight=christian+pool+player
 
gambling a sin?

poolplayer1988 said:
I'm trying to figure out if gambling is wrong as a Christian, and why? I know this is probably a more Biblical discussion than a pool discussion, but I just wanted to get you guys' opinion. I've heard that gambling was bad because in the Bible, the soldiers "cast lots" for Jesus' clothes. BUT, later on in the book of Acts the Apostles "cast lots" to decide who the disciple would be that replaced Judas Iscariot. Hmmmm....... Your opinions would be greatly appreciated. :confused:
I asked a Christian Pastor once about whether gambling was really a sin, since it doesn't seem to be covered as one of the Commandments. He said it was probably covered in the Commandment about not coveting your neighbor's possesions, etc. It is related to greed and getting "free money" or something you haven't earned, I guess. Along with the wrong you may be doing by taking someone's rent or food money...... He had a harder time answering my next question.......then why do churches hold bingo games!
 
Here is something I posted in an earlier AZ thread on this subject:
I used to gamble at pool all the time. But I started to feel bad about it and prayed and asked God if it was pleasing to Him. I believe He showed me that it was not and that it was a bad witness, so I stopped. I have since been criticized for playing tournaments as some feel there is no difference in matching up or putting up your entry fee and playing a tournament.
But my experience is that greed takes over much worse with people gambling than playing a tournament. Tournaments give the added thing some have mentioned they need to compete seriously without busting someone. Everyone knows that when gambling the loser is supposed to be able to decide when you stop. That in itself would put me as a Christian in the position of possibly being part to beating someone out of a lot of money they can't afford to lose.
But playing tournaments goes like this: you play until you lose two matches and your out or you win the tournament. You either collect money or you don't. And no-one goes home broke. As was pointed out earlier, all of life is gambling. But tournaments and matching up are two different worlds in my opinion. The whole game of trying to set the spot to where you know are supposed to win, and the laying down and dishonest traps that people try to set are very non-Christ like. But even if you don't give in to the temptation to hustle, most believe gambling to be sinful for Christians (whether it is or not) and it will hurt your witness. Why participate in something so questionable in peoples eyes when there are leagues and tournaments to get stiff competition in?
I once heard Mike Massey say why he could not gamble any longer. He said the Bible says we are to walk in love toward our brother, and he would cease to walk in Christ' love if he was trying to take grocery money from someone. Some of you may play for small stakes and God not convict you about it. But for me I think it would give the same poor witness as others don't know always what you are playing for. So why give opportunity for those who seek occasion to speak evil?
I can't say drinking a beer is evil. But many think it is so you won't see me at a tournament drinking a beer. Been over 20 years since I had one and been over 20 years since I matched up. Yes I have to swallow my pride and refuse to play when I am being woofed at, even when I know I could rob the woofer.
Glad to see the honest responses this topic has brought out.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
 
God has more important things to worry about

:confused: A person that thinks that God really cares if me and a person who obviously thinks he plays better than me are betting money on our skills
really has some serious problems. All these born again guys who were degenerate gamblers who no longer gamble in reality guys who are not tough enough to take the ass whippings any longer so they think of another way
of getting your money. As for Tommy Kennedy I'm sure he's a good person but what he does every week is worse to me than what he used to do as a pool hustler. He takes upwards of $2,000 out of every tournament he runs from
entry fees as a salary for running the pechauer tournaments. That my friend, is stealing-S T E A L I N G from the same guys he played against in tournaments in previous years. I prooved this to everyone who played in his tournaments in Gulfport where the "pot" was $2200 short with no explanation
and the owner said he didn't have the $2200. Murders, dope on every street corner, armed robberies, child molesters, these are the people, not the guy playing his friend some $100 sets of nine ball, are what God has to send his wrath too, and on no websites do I see people complaining about that. I've gambled at pool most days of my life (I'm 60 years old), I raised three children sent them thru college and now have eight beautiful grandchildren, and my pool gambling which has sometimes been outrageous has never bothered anyone in my family or caused them to have problems. I thank God for that and I fully realize that most don't share my views on the subject but I offer my opinion for those who might consider the remote possibility that I could be correct. :confused: :D :confused:
 
Covet - To desire what belongs to another

This would include money in the pocket of an individual you are gambling with.

In the past I have justified this topic to no end possibly more than anybody - However... today I do not gamble at all. It doesn't matter if it is morally correct to me, it matters if it is in line, according to the laws of God - which it is not. I'm not pushing my morality or my Christianity at anybody, I am just clarifying the basic scriptural basis that the Bible sets forth in the 10 Commandments. I could go on for 12 pages on the specific Biblical passages, which I won't, and that is why I asked the original poster to get with me privately.
 
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