Sure, do what you can and check the results. If there is some limitation that causes a person not to be able to achieve success with one method of aiming then perhaps they would have better results with some other method.
A real CTE shot for you to try.
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I will revisit it when I have time to get on the table with a camera.
What have we had. One single critic actually try this shot and report back. That tells the whole story of this sad aiming forum.
And several CTE sales reps... er... cheerleaders thinking you have to try it to understand it.
That's the really sad part.
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That's what you think is sad, lol. SAD is speaking out against something for 20 plus years that you know very very little about. Keyboard opinions do not make the world go around. Your armchair opinion is not the Gospel. Normal people with this much of a grudge would put some effort into learning about the subject. But not you, PJ.
PS CTE- still not a fractional system as PJ believes it is.
IMO, to an objective observer it is obvious what is going on, but I'm interested to see your video.
I just wanted to hear feedback, how the system worked or didn't work for you.
The reason I didn't get far is I don't know how to look at one line with one eye and the other line with the other line, unless maybe if you close one eye at a time during line up, which removes some of the 3D aspect. I asked about this twice and got no reply, which is why I didn't spend any more time with it.
I just have missed your ask. So TBH you shouldn't really have to concern yourself with the eyes and alignment of them. You do however, concern yourself with the angled face. If you properly angle your nose/face to the cutting edge of the cueball, your eyes should fall into the correct place. Your mid-face vision will also be on the parallax line, which is a line between SL/AL (In my test shot, the parallax line is inside CB quarter to outside OB quarter.) This has nothing to do with your personal mid-face vision mind you. I am left-eye dominant, my personal mid-face vision (for traditional target shooting aiming) is between my left eye and nose. But CTE has made me completely change the way I look at aiming in pool. I don't target shoot with that mid-face vision any more (but I could if I wanted to use Pro One). Now, as for left eye on left line and right eye on right line, you can check this when in full stance by closing one eye then the other. It will be obvious if you have things lined up correctly or not. That is not something I would ever do in normal cadence, but it can be useful when first learning, if even necessary.
So how do you know if your eyes are correct otherwise? If you trust the system with no adjustment and the ball goes in the hole, that's a pretty good indication. I would not bother with closing eyes for checks unless you just can't get the ball to go in somewhat consistently.
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I never really went down the whole CIT rabbit hole with CTE, but here is my take. CIT is something a player must be aware of regardless of the aiming system being used. Aiming is aiming, and CIT is affected by many various things. Same with banks, you have to know the shot and how to approach. The biggest part of the puzzle, the aim, is taken care of with the aiming system.
I agree that CTE does not have magical compensation for all CIT. Stan says CTE has a natural overcut to compensate for CIT. I would take that as a generalization, and I almost never have to think about it. The only time I think about CIT is if I'm playing pocket speed, which natural instinct takes over to apply a touch more of outside spin. I know that CIT is there, more on some shots than others, but the pockets are also twice as big as the ball. Maybe I unconsciously apply a touch of outside spin to various shots, but it would be very minimal.
Onus is on you to provide the information.
No actually it isn't. When I go to look at something the provider isn't obligated to tell me the usability for every possible combination of variables under which that something might be used.
This is in direct regard to the proper operation of the product not some spurious heckle.
I have a stigmatism. I don't normally wear glasses at the table but it would probably help. That said, if you have a major problem with one eye or the other, CTE may not be an optimal choice for you. CTE makes use of our parallax vision to sight shot lines. Without parallax, I don't see how it would work as described. Maybe there are workarounds, I don't know. Stan would be the authority on the subject, shoot him an email and see what he says
See? That's an answer. Thanks. How do you get around your visual issues?I have a stigmatism. I don't normally wear glasses at the table but it would probably help. That said, if you have a major problem with one eye or the other, CTE may not be an optimal choice for you. CTE makes use of our parallax vision to sight shot lines. Without parallax, I don't see how it would work as described. Maybe there are workarounds, I don't know. Stan would be the authority on the subject, shoot him an email and see what he says
I don't. I see well enough to shoot pool. If it gets worse I may go to glasses. I'm 50, so this stigmatism has begun recently for me
I currently wear glasses for driving at night. Close up I'm still ok.
And the question was answered as unknown. Try it. To date I can't remember any one-eyed players who have tried CTE so I have no feedback on that. Again, the point is that any person can try whatever they wish to try and if they find that they have physical limitations that make any given method unusable for them then they don't have to use that method. Maybe I will wear an eyepatch and try it in order to get some idea of whether I can use CTE with one eye or not. Please don't pretend that you actually care about whether CTE is good for one-eyed players or not. You have made it perfectly clear that you don't think CTE is worth pursuing.
Even putting on an eye patch won't be conclusive, as this is not how you normally see. You'd have to do quite a lot of practicing seeing everything with one eye first.
I don't care how long you've been playing pool... if you've never used CTE perceptions before, chances are you are going to be "clumsy" with them at first. Just like anything new and different. That is why the system is typically learned with closer, easier shots. Once the easy ones are consistently pocketed, then move on to longer and thinner cuts. In my example I have a table-length 30 inside. Not the easiest shot. If you can't get any consistency, then start with something closer and easier.
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The reason I say "clumsy" because you have to get the angled face and mid-face vision correct, such that the left and right eyes are in the correct position. On some shots (such as longer ones) it is easy to accidentally use your left (or right) eye for BOTH lines if you are in the wrong spot, as the difference is very slight. If that happens, you'll get frustrated for sure. The closer easier shots have much less room for error. Once you are familiar with how a correct eye position looks, the process gets easier and easier.
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The reason I say "clumsy" because you have to get the angled face and mid-face vision correct, such that the left and right eyes are in the correct position. On some shots (such as longer ones) it is easy to accidentally use your left (or right) eye for BOTH lines if you are in the wrong spot, as the difference is very slight. If that happens, you'll get frustrated for sure. The closer easier shots have much less room for error. Once you are familiar with how a correct eye position looks, the process gets easier and easier.
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With all due respect if I said this to Stan I would again be labeled a hater. You apparently are not using the method Stan teaches because you are using "natural instinct" which is anything but natural. It is a result of HAMB and learning what successful shots look like. Like I showed in my post about all this, many CTE shots will not be successful unless you learn to adjust for throw. This is something Stan rejects because it puts a crack in the idea that the CTE method does the aiming for you, making it unique.