A real CTE shot for you to try.

But since it's not where each eye can see directly along each line, CTE can't describe it clearly - it's just "somewhere" in relation to the lines. In other words it's an eye position that you work out (and memorize) yourself for each different shot - just like other aiming systems.

After all this detail you've shown us nothing new when it comes to actually identifying a shot line - just the same old vague and undefined "perceptions". Thanks for the friendly effort, but I have my own method and "perceptions" to practice.

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I don't know how to describe it any clearer. There is only one place where the AL and SL are "on". This is very exacting, not "somewhere". It's not a bunch of memorizing at all, it's the exact same "on" shot for shot. Sure you have to learn how to harness this execution of aligning yourself on the SL/AL, like learning anything new. Then it's repeatable all over the table. You are making up assumptions based on your self-assured knowledge that the same process can't work for different shots with different angles.
 
I don't know how to describe it any clearer. There is only one place where the AL and SL are "on".
There's only one place to shoot the CB to make the shot using any method/system. But if you can't describe where that is, then your system didn't choose it for you - you chose it (by feel/memory).
You are making up assumptions based on your self-assured knowledge that the same process can't work for different shots with different angles.
Yes, silly me... I still believe logic and reason work.

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Mohrt, since yours is the first complete, step-by-step instructions I've seen posted, I gave it a try during my morning practice today (pic of the setup below).

Following your instructions as best I could, I was successful a high percentage of tries. But since I know that this setup is a dead half ball shot to the corner (including a "slight overcut for throw"), I'm pretty sure that the "new cueball center" I saw was influenced by that knowledge.

Now that I've given your instructions a fair try I hope you'll try to answer my question:

If I move the two balls a half diamond farther from the pocket (nearer to me) and do exactly the same things, why won't I get exactly the same cut angle and hit the long rail a half diamond up from the pocket? What should I do differently to make the second shot?

Thanks in advance,

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Whenever someone states a certain part of a shot doesnt matter, my bullshit meter goes off.

A shot is putting the balls where you want. Not just somewhere in the pocket or on table but exact placement where you need them.

Where the CB goes after contacting the OB needs to be always practiced.

So in this shot.......where do you want to CB to go?
You are the same person who said that half-ball hits do not exist. Forgive us if we consider your comments to be nothing more than litter in the thread.
 
I was hoping you'd come up with something I hadn't heard before, but thanks for at least confirming for me that what CTE means by "perception" is still the same as what I mean by "know it when you see it" or aiming "by feel". I don't mean that as a criticism of CTE - I assume CTE's unique vocabulary helps build confidence in it, and of course confidence in your aiming method is essential to your success with it.

By the way, I think that language difference is another good reason for CTE to have its own forum where interested readers won't run into so many critical-sounding questions from confused onlookers like me. If I was Stan I'd ask his AzB supporters to confine their discussion of it to his or his supporters' forums which can be moderated by CTE users (like yours, for instance) - given its different vocabulary it's not a topic that's well suited for open discussion in a public forum, as we can see by the meltdowns it inevitably causes.

Thanks again for giving it an honest try with me,

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If you move the balls then you will use a different perception/sweep combination. Moving the balls CREATES a different shot. Using CTE gives a concrete and OBJECTIVE way to get to the shot line without feel. When you choose the wrong perception/sweep combination then you miss EXACTLY the same way each time you use that wrong combination. Each time you chose the right one you make it the same way each time. (assuming that the fundamentals are adequate)

You are not interested in true discussion here and never have been. The video below was made based on a poster's question. I have done videos based on your comments and you cried to YouTube because I MENTIONED your name. And that video nor the description had ANYTHING remotely negative about you. It was me taking something you said and trying it on the table. It was removed because you whined about it to youtube.

 
If you move the balls then you will use a different perception/sweep combination.
Identified how?
Moving the balls CREATES a different shot. Using CTE gives a concrete and OBJECTIVE way to get to the shot line without feel.
How?
When you choose the wrong perception/sweep combination then you miss EXACTLY the same way each time you use that wrong combination. Each time you chose the right one you make it the same way each time. (assuming that the fundamentals are adequate)
How do you choose the right one?
You are not interested in true discussion here and never have been.
If this content-free blather is what you call "true discussion", you're right - I'm not interested. Neither is anyone else who has heard the same empty claims since the 90s.

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Identified how?
By cycling through a small list of perceptions and discarding the ones that cannot work. And then with practice one starts to see the right perception without a need to consciously go through the list. For shots directly to a pocket, as in Mohrt's example and yours half of the available perceptions don't even come into play which means the list is even smaller.


See above.
How do you choose the right one?
With practice to train one's visual acuity.
If this content-free blather is what you call "true discussion", you're right - I'm not interested. Neither is anyone else who has heard the same empty claims since the 90s.

pj
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Save it. I was with you in person and you wouldn't discuss it. Your position will never change no matter what anyone says. That you can't figure out how it works since the late 90s is because you decided that what doesn't fit your diagramming ability isn't valid. For you it's just feel and nothing else. Every comment you make related to center to edge aiming is oriented towards that position and nothing else.
 
That's called aiming by feel (with the usual aid of objective references).

I only object to CTE users' denial of the obvious: that it operates pretty much like every other aiming system/method, including the essential element of "feel" to finalize aim.

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Objection over-ruled, as it has been for over 20 years
 
By cycling through a small list of perceptions and discarding the ones that cannot work. And then with practice one starts to see the right perception without a need to consciously go through the list. For shots directly to a pocket, as in Mohrt's example and yours half of the available perceptions don't even come into play which means the list is even smaller.



See above.

With practice to train one's visual acuity.

Save it. I was with you in person and you wouldn't discuss it. Your position will never change no matter what anyone says. That you can't figure out how it works since the late 90s is because you decided that what doesn't fit your diagramming ability isn't valid. For you it's just feel and nothing else. Every comment you make related to center to edge aiming is oriented towards that position and nothing else.
JB before you left for the week I was trying to get your position on the Stan throw video. When you get a chance would you please respond to my last post? I would like to get a final word on where the CTE people stand on the issue. It is here:

 
I don't know how to describe it any clearer. There is only one place where the AL and SL are "on". This is very exacting, not "somewhere". It's not a bunch of memorizing at all, it's the exact same "on" shot for shot. Sure you have to learn how to harness this execution of aligning yourself on the SL/AL, like learning anything new. Then it's repeatable all over the table. You are making up assumptions based on your self-assured knowledge that the same process can't work for different shots with different angles.
Is astigmatism addressed in any way? How about unequal resolution? One eyed shooters?
 
Good question. What about a guy with no arms?
I've seen one guy on video prolly shot with a bridge and his other shoulder. Had just enough arm to hold the stick against his torso.
The visual maladies are very common especially unequal vision.
 
Good question. What about a guy with no arms?
Which reminds me of....

An Australian drives up to a hitch hiker with one eye, no arms, and one leg
And says "Oi! You look 'armless! 'Op in!"

It's amazing how many versions of the armless bellringer joke there are.

But seriously, folks, there was an armless billiard player whom you would know about if you had read your Byrne and Shamos. This is from Wikipedia:

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Now, some of you may say, "That's not really armless," but what's the cutoff point?
 
Which reminds me of....

An Australian drives up to a hitch hiker with one eye, no arms, and one leg
And says "Oi! You look 'armless! 'Op in!"

It's amazing how many versions of the armless bellringer joke there are.

But seriously, folks, there was an armless billiard player whom you would know about if you had read your Byrne and Shamos. This is from Wikipedia:

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Now, some of you may say, "That's not really armless," but what's the cutoff point?

You made my point Bob. For those with differing limitations there are lots of options to shoot pool. If CTE isn’t optimal for you, use ghostball or what have you.
 
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