accelleration

[jcpoolgod]

my friend is a golfer and he talks about accellerating through the swing alot....he told me my stroke decellerates....do you know of any drills or tricks to accellerate through the entire stroke....

**hold the spelling lectures to a minimum.....i coulda spell checked...wouldnt make me any better at spelling though...

 

[ShootingArts]

easy enough

my friend is a golfer and he talks about accellerating through the swing alot....he told me my stroke decellerates....do you know of any drills or tricks to accellerate through the entire stroke....

**hold the spelling lectures to a minimum.....i coulda spell checked...wouldnt make me any better at spelling though...

First off make sure that you are hitting the cue ball near the middle of your stroking range, not when your arm is naturally decelerating. In practice set another ball four to six inches in front of the cue ball. Stroke as if you are hitting the second ball not the cue ball. Easier to accelerate into your target, the second ball.

The final thing has to do with stroke and is the most important thing. Doesn't matter if you come to a complete stop or a smooth transition from your back stroke to your forward stroke but focus on starting forward slowly and accelerating into your stroke. An initial jerk forward often results in decelerating early.

Hu(didn't spellcheck either)

 

[elvicash]

Acceleration is critical, any decel will provide very inconsistent results. You also need a solid bridge and other fundamentals. You want to have a stroke with a decent distance for the tip to travel after it hits the cue ball tip on on the table 4 inches or more past the cue ball. Stroke through the cue ball towards the target normally a point on the object ball. You also want to have a very light grip on cue.

 

[justnum]

I think halfway between the position of your wrist being vertical to the floor and your wrist being horizontal on the way up. Three positions, straight before the stroke, vertically downward during the stroke and halfway up (full being wrist touches bicep). The halfway up position takes advantage of the circular acceleration and applies some of it in the horizontal motion. While if you contact the cue ball during the vertical position you aren't translating the circular acceleration to the cue ball.

There is a famous experiment with a pendulum that details precisely what is happening. At the time I think those people were focused on studying local gravity not stroking a cue stick.

Imagine playing billiards in space, that is a funny idea. because the pool cue will hit you back when you hit the cue ball.

 

[duckie]

Acceleration is the change of velocity over time. So to be accelerating through the CB means that the velocity of the cue stick would be increasing until sometime after it hit the CB.

This is not the same as having a constant velocity until sometime after the cue stick hits the CB.

Big difference.

It is this constant velocity, which varies from shot to shot, that plays a role in how much spin is put on the CB.

Forget what golfers do, this is pool.

 

[justnum]

Another oddball idea is can someone actually see if a person's stroke is pushing the cue ball or stroking it.

There is a trick shot where the shooter must stroke straight through that he/she pushes the cue ball along with the cue stick.

In regular play what if someone mastered that concept and used it. Instead of striking at the cue ball, they are really pushing it so quickly that it looks like a stroke.

 

[pdcue]

Acceleration is the change of velocity over time. So to be accelerating through the CB means that the velocity of the cue stick would be increasing until sometime after it hit the CB.

This is not the same as having a constant velocity until sometime after the cue stick hits the CB.

Big difference.

It is this constant velocity, which varies from shot to shot, that plays a role in how much spin is put on the CB.

Forget what golfers do, this is pool.

I like this point - IMHO really accelerating through the CB is much
more dificult than your golfer friend thinks. The only way I know that you
can do it for sure is to seriously snap your wrist. A practice that can
add lots of difficulty to some minor issues - like say, pocketing the
Object Ball. Unless you happen to be Lasiter.

Dale

 

[randyg]

my friend is a golfer and he talks about accellerating through the swing alot....he told me my stroke decellerates....do you know of any drills or tricks to accellerate through the entire stroke....

**hold the spelling lectures to a minimum.....i coulda spell checked...wouldnt make me any better at spelling though...

The good strokes have a starting position and a finish position. I don't try to accelerate through the cue ball, instead I try to accelerate to my finish position.

One must also remember that the cue stick darn near stops at contact with the cue ball.....randyg

 

[SpiderWebComm]

One must also remember that the cue stick darn near stops at contact with the cue ball.....randyg

.....beat me to it........

 

[justnum]

The good strokes have a starting position and a finish position. I don't try to accelerate through the cue ball, instead I try to accelerate to my finish position.

One must also remember that the cue stick darn near stops at contact with the cue ball.....randyg

The cue stick at contact with the cue ball experiences deceleration or a resistive force upon contact, if the cue stick nearly stops but doesn't that means it has greater acceleration then the stationary cue ball can resist the cue stick. Meaning even in the presence of a resistive force the cue stick continues to accelerate, just at a slower rate.

The cue ball can't resist the cue stick, entirely, that is why the ball moves and stick move after the collision. The stick ceases to move because a player's stroke ends.

Simple demonstration of applying force via your arm, push a cue ball with your cue stick, the ball and stick continue to move as long as you push it. If you stop pushing the cue stick doesn't move but the cue ball does.

 

[rayjay]

First off make sure that you are hitting the cue ball near the middle of your stroking range, not when your arm is naturally decelerating. In practice set another ball four to six inches in front of the cue ball. Stroke as if you are hitting the second ball not the cue ball. Easier to accelerate into your target, the second ball.

The final thing has to do with stroke and is the most important thing. Doesn't matter if you come to a complete stop or a smooth transition from your back stroke to your forward stroke but focus on starting forward slowly and accelerating into your stroke. An initial jerk forward often results in decelerating early.

Hu(didn't spellcheck either)

Yep, that's it right there.

 

[Larry Fine]

Another oddball idea is can someone actually see if a person's stroke is pushing the cue ball or stroking it.

There is a trick shot where the shooter must stroke straight through that he/she pushes the cue ball along with the cue stick.

In regular play what if someone mastered that concept and used it. Instead of striking at the cue ball, they are really pushing it so quickly that it looks like a stroke.

That was a very old shot, Paul Gerni used to do, he got it out of the Hustler movie, Paul Newman did it on Fats and nobody, and I mean nobody saw it, where you just strike thru the cue ball and keep going to hit another ball with the tip and shove it in the pocket, if you do it quick, and they are not watching real close, it goes undetected.

Some world class players, usually Artistic and 3-cushion masters who have been trained on the proper way to hit a force follow, can actually hit the cue ball 2 or 3 times before it escapes, and please dont argue with me on this one, it was proven on high speed camera at the jax experiement, its now considered a fact. The cue ball is heavy, so it does not move out fast, and it can be bumped a couple of times if the stroker hits down the line and does not glance off of the ball, which gives him more power on the shot, and yes its a foul, but if you cant see it, you cant call it.

 

[Larry Fine]

In golf is taught you accelerate before impact, if you dont, you will be slowing down, so you hit beyond it.

The golf shot that closest resembles the pool stroke, is the putt. Marius and Stockton, the two top teachers of the game today, and George Low from the past, teach two things, at impact you are acelerating, and you dont chop down on the ball, or try to hit it level, you are hitting up on it which produces the purest roll, chop down and it will skid, then roll, then roll off the line every time. The average tour pro is hitting up at an average rise angle of 2.8" You may read this in golf mag on page 98.

If you taught golf, like they are teaching pool, they would laugh you out of the game, which is to hit down on the ball and have the cue tip impact into the cloth, see Jerry on that one. The follow should be taught just the opposite, like putting, to hit up on the ball, again with the shaft tip slight rising above the initial plane, like all of the old time greats in pool and billiards actually did. Somewhere in time, we got it all wrong.

Most of you lose power because you are hitting with your forearm, chopping wood. Instead do it different, begin your swing by bending your wrist back, deep cock it, and the forearm now simply follows it, then with no pause at the back, no golfer pauses there, another bad teaching, release, flick fling the wrist into the shot, like many top pros do today, which Mosconi did, then, there is no way to de accelerate into the shot.

 

[Ratta]

RandyG already said it...like always^^

Many players try to *construct* a straight-stroke instead of *let it happen*. Imo a better description for it. If you have a proper setup then it s just about letting your stroke go, and this with a loose grip (like a cradle) until it s anatomical end, which is naturally given!
If you re using a Pendulum Stroke, which i usualy recommend, it s just a matter of a proper setup adress/position and a few practice time.

let it go^^

lg from overseas,

Ingo

 

[jcpoolgod]

First off make sure that you are hitting the cue ball near the middle of your stroking range, not when your arm is naturally decelerating. In practice set another ball four to six inches in front of the cue ball. Stroke as if you are hitting the second ball not the cue ball. Easier to accelerate into your target, the second ball.

The final thing has to do with stroke and is the most important thing. Doesn't matter if you come to a complete stop or a smooth transition from your back stroke to your forward stroke but focus on starting forward slowly and accelerating into your stroke. An initial jerk forward often results in decelerating early.

Hu(didn't spellcheck either)

hey thanks.......ill give this a shot....

 

[jcpoolgod]

I think halfway between the position of your wrist being vertical to the floor and your wrist being horizontal on the way up. Three positions, straight before the stroke, vertically downward during the stroke and halfway up (full being wrist touches bicep). The halfway up position takes advantage of the circular acceleration and applies some of it in the horizontal motion. While if you contact the cue ball during the vertical position you aren't translating the circular acceleration to the cue ball.

There is a famous experiment with a pendulum that details precisely what is happening. At the time I think those people were focused on studying local gravity not stroking a cue stick.

Imagine playing billiards in space, that is a funny idea. because the pool cue will hit you back when you hit the cue ball.

so kinda what your saying is my cue should hit the cb when my stroke is on the upswing?

 

[justnum]

so kinda what your saying is my cue should hit the cb when my stroke is on the upswing?

Yes. You've translated that into pool terminology nicely.

 

[randyg]

Yes. You've translated that into pool terminology nicely.

WOW! WHY?

randyg

 

[dr_dave]

my friend is a golfer and he talks about accellerating through the swing alot....he told me my stroke decellerates....do you know of any drills or tricks to accellerate through the entire stroke....

FYI, I have some good resources (including videos) on this topic here:

stroke acceleration
stroke "best practices"
follow through​

Check them out.

Regards,
Dave

 

[mikepage]

my friend is a golfer and he talks about accellerating through the swing alot....he told me my stroke decellerates....do you know of any drills or tricks to accellerate through the entire stroke....
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As others have said, DEcelerating just prior to impact is bad. But ACcelerating is bad too. You want the stick going at a constant speed.

You Won't get different action if you are accelerating. That is, and I know this is counter intuitive, the fact you're actively pushing the stick just prior to impact makes no difference on the outcome.

Most of the time that folks FEEL like they're accelerating at impact, they're actually going at a constant speed.

Regardless of whether you're accelerating or not, the stick right after impact will show down to about half it's speed. A heavier stick will slow down less, but still almost by half.