Accu stats 10 ball..slop allowed only on kick shots?

This rule is great!!! It's a compromise giving the fans exactly what they want to see, and it gives the pros their call shot. Just think about all the exciting kick shots that would have been nullified by the call ALL shots rule over the years if we were using that rule in the past....Efren's Z kick in the Reno Open is the first shot that comes to mind.
 
oldzilla said:
Well I do hope you don't post as much as the 22 posts you have graced us with in the 4 years you have been here. tyvm
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How does the amount of posts I have made relate to anything? Have you read all my other posts?

Accustats is a dinosaur. In this latest event they tried to have a designated racker until the players took over and racked for themselves (like most tournaments are now). I'm sure the players and some of the fans would prefer to not have luck determine the outcome of kick shot. Usually these situations happen in tournaments because old guys feel the game should be this way or that way and act selfishly. Pool needs a consistent set of rules.
 
ABall said:
This rule is great!!! It's a compromise giving the fans exactly what they want to see, and it gives the pros their call shot. Just think about all the exciting kick shots that would have been nullified by the call ALL shots rule over the years if we were using that rule in the past....Efren's Z kick in the Reno Open is the first shot that comes to mind.
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Efren would have called the pocket and it would have counted...
 
Paul Schofield said:
The above comment has nothing to do with pool and I am going to call it for what it is: This is just a baseless ignorant personal attack.
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I agree. Most would agree that Pat is trying new things to jumpstart interest. Along the way, some things "tried" don't work out, and they are left behind, to "try" something else next time. Pat's making things interesting, and that's always good.

-Sean
 
JumpinJoe said:
A pro could lose a match and be pissed, but oh well live with it because it can be that amateurs career highlight that he will talk about forever. These rules discourage most amateurs as they need the luck factor.
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This isn't about pros vs. amateurs. The event we're discussing is not only all pros,
but all top pros. The rules should reflect that.

Whether people agree or disagree with any single rule, I think we can all agree (or not?)
that having a single, unified set of rules would be great for the sport.

Making up weird rules like this works directly against that goal.
It ensures players and spectators are in a state of constant confusion about what's happening.
 
poolscholar said:
Accustats is a dinosaur.
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Pool "scholar".. Yea right!

Could you tell us exactly how much you do to further the game? Accu-Stats has done more for the game in the U.S. than almost any other involved in the game. They put money in the players pocket, they promote the game, have given us access to many tournament via stream as well as DVD/VHS and the list goes on. Go piss and moan somewhere else.

Thank you Pat Flemming and crew for all that you do. Nits will be nits. Most of us are thrilled to have you around!
 
JumpinJoe said:
Call shot is by far the worse rules ever anyway.

There's how many million amateurs? And how many pros(under 100). They just hate the idea of losing a game or match to an amateur, yet these amateurs are the ones that actually line the so called pros pockets with money. If it wasn't for the dead money amateurs in most events these pros would be making less then they are, which is hard to do.

A pro could lose a match and be pissed, but oh well live with it because it can be that amateurs career highlight that he will talk about forever. These rules discourage most amateurs as they need the luck factor.
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I don't like slop, I do agree that it helps the amateurs, instead of stacking every thing against them, like seeding. Johnnyt
 
poolscholar said:
Accustats is a dinosaur.
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Right... the "make it happen" format to fund tournaments has been around forever. Accustats needs to get with the times, fund tournaments out of their own pocket and provide free streams... because that's how you make money!

In this latest event they tried to have a designated racker until the players took over and racked for themselves (like most tournaments are now).
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Would those be the tournaments where players pattern rack? Or maybe the tournaments where they inspect the rack with a magnifying glass looking for gaps?

I'm sure the players and some of the fans would prefer to not have luck determine the outcome of kick shot.
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I actually agree with this.

Usually these situations happen in tournaments because old guys feel the game should be this way or that way and act selfishly.
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Unlike all the tournaments run by younger guys who are acting selflessly when they think the game should be this way or that way and come up with their own rule variations.

Pool needs a consistent set of rules.
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Totally... if Accustats followed the official rules to the letter that would be ... one group following the official rules to the letter!

Snarkiness aside, yes pool needs a consistent set of rules, but it's not as if Accustats is the only group doing something different. Personally, I'm not too worried about which rules they're following since it appears that they've found a sustainable method for putting on events.
 
CreeDo said:
This isn't about pros vs. amateurs. The event we're discussing is not only all pros,
but all top pros. The rules should reflect that.

Whether people agree or disagree with any single rule, I think we can all agree (or not?)
that having a single, unified set of rules would be great for the sport.

Making up weird rules like this works directly against that goal.
It ensures players and spectators are in a state of constant confusion about what's happening.
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Thank you for rational thought.
 
It does frustrate me that every tournament or event plays by a different set of rules and everyone ignores the world standardized rules. However I don't see that changing anytime soon so I say the heck with it. If you're running the event use your rules.

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People are missing the point in this thread. It doesn't matter if you like the rule or not. It's about consistency in the rules across tournaments.

If a tournament director personally doesn't like jump cues, should he allow them or not?
 
I think what most of us are wondering is why are you singling out this tournament and Accu-Stats? This is maybe the most enjoyable event I've ever watched. Every match has been incredible. I don't even have to mention all of tge great stuff that Accu-Stats jas done over the years. The rules consistency thing could be brought up about any event, but you choosing this particular instance, especially considering how your earlier posts were phrased, tells me this is more personal axe grinding than anything else.

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StraightPoolIU said:
I think what most of us are wondering is why are you singling out this tournament and Accu-Stats? This is maybe the most enjoyable event I've ever watched. Every match has been incredible. I don't even have to mention all of tge great stuff that Accu-Stats jas done over the years. The rules consistency thing could be brought up about any event, but you choosing this particular instance, especially considering how your earlier posts were phrased, tells me this is more personal axe grinding than anything else.

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Because if you use rational thought and arguments on this forum, your post will be mostly ignored. This is a great event with a new random rule thrown in.
 
poolscholar said:
Because if you use rational thought and arguments on this forum, your post will be mostly ignored. This is a great event with a new random rule thrown in.
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:scratchhead:



What's the new rule? Where I live, you need to call pockets in ten ball.

And sometimes in nine ball, you need to call the nine.:smile:
Hate calling the nine 'cause I like to hit em hard and get lucky. I'm a banger on steroids.:eek:
 
Looks like the mods missed one of SC5's early secondary accounts.

Thomas, calm down....


poolscholar said:
How does the amount of posts I have made relate to anything? Have you read all my other posts?

Accustats is a dinosaur. In this latest event they tried to have a designated racker until the players took over and racked for themselves (like most tournaments are now). I'm sure the players and some of the fans would prefer to not have luck determine the outcome of kick shot. Usually these situations happen in tournaments because old guys feel the game should be this way or that way and act selfishly. Pool needs a consistent set of rules.
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