Do you feel bad? That's really all that matters.
Since it's more than a $5 tourney your behaviour is acceptable..
Since it's more than a $5 tourney your behaviour is acceptable..
Am I a D - Bag
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not cheating, not smart against me either
Same story when this type of thread comes up. Do you want me to be the referee or do you want my butt in my chair when you are shooting? If I have to be the referee I am going to get in the best position to see the hit when I need to regardless of how bad it sharks you. My responsibility to call your fouls, my right to get where I can see them.
Another game I play against the letter of the law players is to play shape to jam my butt in their face in their chair. Then when I shoot I'll jerk around to see if they saw anything. More often than not they will scream foul the first time I do it. "Really, how could I possibly have fouled and how could you possibly have seen it? Doesn't matter anyway, no referee the shooter wins the decisions." That is enough to put the other player on sizzle and I'm just starting to crank up the heat.
Pool can be a lot of fun playing by the rules. I have had some pretty good players where they couldn't run three balls on a bar table and had more cigarettes than that burning hopping around trying to see how I was cheating them. Other than sharking the crap out of them jerking my head their way I wasn't cheating and no rule against pretending you fouled. Only their opinion that is what I am doing anyway. Impossible to prove.
Carried to an extreme playing by the rules can make the table and balls almost irrelevant. A lot of fun once in awhile against someone you don't like or are annoyed with, do it often and there won't be a person in the pool hall that will play with you except in a tournament when they don't have a choice.
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Same story when this type of thread comes up. Do you want me to be the referee or do you want my butt in my chair when you are shooting? If I have to be the referee I am going to get in the best position to see the hit when I need to regardless of how bad it sharks you. My responsibility to call your fouls, my right to get where I can see them.
Another game I play against the letter of the law players is to play shape to jam my butt in their face in their chair. Then when I shoot I'll jerk around to see if they saw anything. More often than not they will scream foul the first time I do it. "Really, how could I possibly have fouled and how could you possibly have seen it? Doesn't matter anyway, no referee the shooter wins the decisions." That is enough to put the other player on sizzle and I'm just starting to crank up the heat.
Pool can be a lot of fun playing by the rules. I have had some pretty good players where they couldn't run three balls on a bar table and had more cigarettes than that burning hopping around trying to see how I was cheating them. Other than sharking the crap out of them jerking my head their way I wasn't cheating and no rule against pretending you fouled. Only their opinion that is what I am doing anyway. Impossible to prove.
Carried to an extreme playing by the rules can make the table and balls almost irrelevant. A lot of fun once in awhile against someone you don't like or are annoyed with, do it often and there won't be a person in the pool hall that will play with you except in a tournament when they don't have a choice.
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What if you reverse the situation? If I were playing and had a guy in a potential 3 foul situation, by not saying something and expecting to win if he does foul I'm cheating.
In my opinion you've done nothing wrong, but the guy you were playing clearly has. The frozen ball is another situation where you have to have a chance to dispute that it's frozen before you shoot. Thus, by him not saying anything he gives up his claim that it was. I think from the sounds of this tourney he knew the rules and was trying to skirt them. I don't think you have anything to feel bad about. You followed the rules, that's why they are there. It sounds like this guy knew the rules and was either trying to cheat or being ignorant to them. Either way he is in the wrong and his behavior sounds atrocious.
Just because many people don't know en passant in chess, doesn't mean you can't use it.
In my opinion you've done nothing wrong, but the guy you were playing clearly has. The frozen ball is another situation where you have to have a chance to dispute that it's frozen before you shoot. Thus, by him not saying anything he gives up his claim that it was. I think from the sounds of this tourney he knew the rules and was trying to skirt them. I don't think you have anything to feel bad about. You followed the rules, that's why they are there. It sounds like this guy knew the rules and was either trying to cheat or being ignorant to them. Either way he is in the wrong and his behavior sounds atrocious.
Just because many people don't know en passant in chess, doesn't mean you can't use it.
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I say D-bag on the 3 foul thing...3 =3 no matter who tells you or when they tell you.
And I say your in the right on the frozen ball thing. If nobody called a ball frozen before I shoot...it goes to the shooter...that's me:thumbup:
Oh we'll, I'll side with you, since you're a fellow AZ'er !!!
I say D-bag on the 3 foul thing...3 =3 no matter who tells you or when they tell you.
And I say your in the right on the frozen ball thing. If nobody called a ball frozen before I shoot...it goes to the shooter...that's me:thumbup:
Oh we'll, I'll side with you, since you're a fellow AZ'er !!!
Eric is gonna Pool Educate you on Pool Etiquette!
Oh if the name is still available, I'll be Hand Bag.
hand bag it is
I don't agree on not taking the 3rd foul as the way you describe. Now IF he clearly made a 3rd foul but said it was not a foul, or fouled but the other guy did not see it and continued to shoot, that is not right. The rules say the other guy has to warn you that you are on 2 fouls, why is it bad to follow the rules? I always tell my son to watch the game instead of sit there and look around, pick his nose, whatever. You never know what will happen at the table.
I understand what you're saying but people used to say the same things about playing leaves. At one time, and probably still is in someplaces, if you played a leave in a bar you were lucky to walk away without being shot or getting the hell beat out of you.
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You did nothing wrong, that is the way the game is played. Golfers use the rules to their advantage all the time.
Double hits, touching the cueball in a practice stroke,etc...is completely different. That would be like kicking your ball in the rough for a golfer.
Double hits, touching the cueball in a practice stroke,etc...is completely different. That would be like kicking your ball in the rough for a golfer.
avoid this situation all-together....every time you leave the table tell your opponent he/she is on two and whatever ball they are shooting at is frozen. If they start getting ticked because they haven't even fouled once, or the ball they are shooting is in the middle of the table with nothing within a foot of it, just say sorry; I wanna be covered just in case I forget when it really happens. Hell, just call someone over to watch EVERY hit, since many wouldn't call a bad hit on themselves....
Can you imagine? Have some integrity people, REALLY!
Can you imagine? Have some integrity people, REALLY!
Well, it certainly wasn't a myth in the bars I played in. If you provided some "pissy" comments you might get shot for that. Ask anyone that played in any of the bars on 10th Street in Indianapolis in the late 60's to middle 70's.
There's the rules-and the spirit of the rules.
As stated, I think the rules require being advised by the opponent, and clear acknowlegment by you of 'being on two' as you approach the table in your new shooting inning-not when you committed your 2nd foul.
This could be one of those situations of although you're RIGHT, you're wrong.
As mentioned-not guilty isn't always innocent.
Situational ethics have there place in this and other games. We are all d-bags at times-just a question of capital D or small d.
Because it is very important to be RIGHT AND FOR EVERYONE TO CONCEDE THAT....am I right?
...once, giving the 8, the opponent fluked in the 7, celebrated with his team, he came over and shook my hand, his teammate gathered the balls to rack next game..I called foul.
The TD payed us a visit-asked why I shook the other guys hand if I was not congratulating him on a win...I said ' he was shaking hands with everybody', I just didn't know why...and he seems like a friendly guy and was all happy.
We ended up replaying the game..I won. I was a d-bag according to the other team. Was I right, but wrong? It was a an odd situation.
As stated, I think the rules require being advised by the opponent, and clear acknowlegment by you of 'being on two' as you approach the table in your new shooting inning-not when you committed your 2nd foul.
This could be one of those situations of although you're RIGHT, you're wrong.
As mentioned-not guilty isn't always innocent.
Situational ethics have there place in this and other games. We are all d-bags at times-just a question of capital D or small d.
Because it is very important to be RIGHT AND FOR EVERYONE TO CONCEDE THAT....am I right?
...once, giving the 8, the opponent fluked in the 7, celebrated with his team, he came over and shook my hand, his teammate gathered the balls to rack next game..I called foul.
The TD payed us a visit-asked why I shook the other guys hand if I was not congratulating him on a win...I said ' he was shaking hands with everybody', I just didn't know why...and he seems like a friendly guy and was all happy.
We ended up replaying the game..I won. I was a d-bag according to the other team. Was I right, but wrong? It was a an odd situation.
No, in that case I'd say what happened, any bad hit that you knew for sure was a bad hit, the right thing to do is say "I made a bad hit". That's not the same though, the other player KNEW that he was on two fouls, therefore he should have known to say so per the rules. If the other player went to the bathroom, the guy fouled while he was away, then the right thing to do is say "I fouled a second time while you were gone", it's not the same as the guy standing there watching the hits and not following the rules.
In a bad hit situation, the other player may not have seen the foul take place, so it's on your honor to speak up if there was a foul.
Rules are rules my friend and if he doesnt call certain things then its his fault. Learn to speak up or shut up!! Hell if he got that upset about that it screws his head then it turns into a heat score. May not be the greatest thing to happen but its still a win.
I bet he was up all night swearing at himself and going batty :lol:
I bet he was up all night swearing at himself and going batty :lol:
Cornerman: here's the video you mentioned, I think -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVpNcBlbceo
summary: earl's in a skins game for 20k. Makes a shot, cue ball catches a 'rock under the felt'
and rolls very funny to end up hooking him behind a ball.
During earl's kick, he moves another ball with his cue, and that's a foul under the rules they were using.
Earl knows he did this, his opponent points it out, but earl asks the ref/td "well did you see a foul?"
...ref/td says no. Earl carries on as if he didn't foul.
"And now I'm considered a bad sport and all this other stuff"
... lol, yeah Earl, people weren't saying that before but NOW they are
I see other posters with seemingly the same thinking as earl...
they deflect blame for their own actions onto something or someone else.
Earl thinks he deserves to get away with fouling because he got a bad roll. Not too far from:
"I deserve to get away with fouling, because they should be attentive and involved in the game"
"I deserve to get away with fouling, because it's too easy if they win without making a single ball"
"I deserve to get away with fouling, because with 3 BIH's they should be out anyway"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVpNcBlbceo
summary: earl's in a skins game for 20k. Makes a shot, cue ball catches a 'rock under the felt'
and rolls very funny to end up hooking him behind a ball.
During earl's kick, he moves another ball with his cue, and that's a foul under the rules they were using.
Earl knows he did this, his opponent points it out, but earl asks the ref/td "well did you see a foul?"
...ref/td says no. Earl carries on as if he didn't foul.
"And now I'm considered a bad sport and all this other stuff"
... lol, yeah Earl, people weren't saying that before but NOW they are
I see other posters with seemingly the same thinking as earl...
they deflect blame for their own actions onto something or someone else.
Earl thinks he deserves to get away with fouling because he got a bad roll. Not too far from:
"I deserve to get away with fouling, because they should be attentive and involved in the game"
"I deserve to get away with fouling, because it's too easy if they win without making a single ball"
"I deserve to get away with fouling, because with 3 BIH's they should be out anyway"