Ambition to get better slowly decreasing - no tourneys available

I would argue that a fargo rating is simply a more accurate handicapping system than say the equalizer. It's whole purpose is to rank you amongst everyone else in the world for "accurate" comparisons, then give a fair race to X games for each player which should level the playing field.

Is this not what its designed for?
I'll have to let Mike Page speak for himself but I've been lead to believe that Fargo was designed to rate players performance. Handicapping based on that rating a is byproduct.
 
Here's my experience: literally every pool hall in my state are only having tournaments for amateurs/beginners/league players, and a majority of them are on 7ft tables, and to top it off, it's 8 ball. And to top it off even more, it's a race to 4 or 5 on the winners side and race to 3 on losers side.

It is very discouraging because there are no opportunities to play with stronger players and test yourself, unless you want to pay $1000 to travel to the US Open and go 2 and out.

What's even more annoying, is whenever they do have a 9 foot table tourney, it's ALWAYS on a friggin weeknight, and starts at 6PM!!! (always some kind of weird handicap attached to it) Not Saturday or Sunday. Are they purposely trying to restrict better players?

Why is American pool heading in this direction? It seems to only favor the Tournament Directors and room.

It's good to get beginners and lower ranked players engaged, but there has to be some kind of balance. It should NOT be this hard to find a normal 9ball tournament played on 9 foot tables. It lowers my drive to want to get better. Like what is the point of increasing my skill level if I'm only going to be playing the same people every Tuesday night 8 ball race to 3.

Certain States like NY, Cali and Florida had tour stops every weekend with the Predator Pro-Am tour and others for their respective states.

Now it's only bar table tourneys with $20 entry fee. Why would I want to leave my house to play pool?

Anyone with a similar experience in their state of residence?

I haven’t read the whole thread, but why aren’t you matching up for money games? That’s what I see the 600 plus FR guys doing instead of sitting around all night hoping to win $55 in a weekly tournament. I would think you would get better ROI on your time playing $50 or $100 sets.
 
I share your pain.

However, if there are tables available somewhere you need to strap on you big girl panties and organize an event or it is not going to happen -- end of story.

Lou Figueroa
don't even talk about
1pocket tourneys, lol
And let us not mention 3c events either!
 
I've always felt that 3c tournaments run way smoother and more organized than pool tournaments.
Id like to try one, though as a .400, I'm @Dead Money

I was going to do the Madison thing (April?), but it filled.

I hope the game's popularity continues to growing. It seemss like there are more rooms with many nice tables in the US now than ever- my lifetime, at least).

There's a nice room in a great area near me. Six Hollywood Olympique tables and nowhere to put a 150+ people.
 
I agree. I apologize to anyone if I came across as bashing all TD's in general. Some of them have no clue about the game, while some of them are passionate about the game of pool. I wish I had the time to be able to organize and run a tournament. I also wish people were more competitive to push the game beyond it's boundaries. Like I know there are some people that work a 9-5 and can still snap off a weekly tournament, but there are hardly any rewards for such person of that skill level against others of similar caliber.

There are also TD's who work a 9-5 and still find the time and energy to run a tournament late hours into the night. So I definitely respect it. But there needs to be some kind of change. How will we ever win back the Mosconi Cup if this is the direction pool is headed for in America?

Besides Earl Strickland, when will we ever be able to say we've had a champion from USA who's won back to back World 9 Ball titles if all we play on is barboxes?
I match up rather than play tournys. My son(in your area) plays the tournaments. He recently went hill/hill in the finals of a tournament, and took his second place cash prize and handed it to the tournament director. He said she worked her butt off and deserved it more than he did.

I was more than proud of him.
 
I think rooms that have barboxes and 9 footers need to get creative and encourage players to compete on the 9 footers.

One thing you could do in conjuction with having a larger barbox tourney would be having a winner-take-all race to 1, 9 or 10 ball tourney on a big table. Maybe only take 16 players to make it feel select. Maybe make it mandatory pushout after the break. Work the tourney in around the barbox tourney.

You have to get the locals on the tables and watching their buddies compete on them. A lot of players are overly intimidated by them. Break the ice.
 
The real problem seems to be that you're not located in a hotbed of tournament pool. It's hardly my right to suggest that you move to one of pool's hotbeds but if improving at pool is one of your top life priorities, you might consider it.

Talk to Immonen, Shaw, and Appleton and each will tell you that their games didn't fully develop until they moved to the northeastern United States, where they were sure of continued access to strong players and numerous tournaments.

As others have suggested, maybe you can be a catalyst in setting up tournaments on the big tables in your own region. Why not talk to those who have set up successful regional tours? Find out what Oscar Dominguez did with the Mezz Tour or Tony Robles did with the Predator Tour.
 
My buddy is going through it. I have a low Fargo because I don’t play in Fargo events. Lol my acs league reports but that’s preey meaningless Honestly . He on the other hand it just over mid 600s. so he’s to high to play in the mid tournaments but not high enough to really win those high level tournaments. It’s like a no mans land lol
 
Here's my experience: literally every pool hall in my state are only having tournaments for amateurs/beginners/league players, and a majority of them are on 7ft tables, and to top it off, it's 8 ball. And to top it off even more, it's a race to 4 or 5 on the winners side and race to 3 on losers side.

It is very discouraging because there are no opportunities to play with stronger players and test yourself, unless you want to pay $1000 to travel to the US Open and go 2 and out.

What's even more annoying, is whenever they do have a 9 foot table tourney, it's ALWAYS on a friggin weeknight, and starts at 6PM!!! (always some kind of weird handicap attached to it) Not Saturday or Sunday. Are they purposely trying to restrict better players?

Why is American pool heading in this direction? It seems to only favor the Tournament Directors and room.

It's good to get beginners and lower ranked players engaged, but there has to be some kind of balance. It should NOT be this hard to find a normal 9ball tournament played on 9 foot tables. It lowers my drive to want to get better. Like what is the point of increasing my skill level if I'm only going to be playing the same people every Tuesday night 8 ball race to 3.

Certain States like NY, Cali and Florida had tour stops every weekend with the Predator Pro-Am tour and others for their respective states.

Now it's only bar table tourneys with $20 entry fee. Why would I want to leave my house to play pool?

Anyone with a similar experience in their state of residence?
Our area has a lot 9 foot tables. If they just have 7 I'd focus on 7 foot tables. To me, it's the same game, some parts of a 7 footer are less challenging, some are more.
 
Decided to try one out last week to see if I would like it or not. $15 entry fee on barbox, 10 people showed up to play... I made it to the finals from the losers side and before we played I asked the guy if he just wanted to do 1 extended race because it was already close to midnight. He said no it's a true double elimination you have to beat me twice. I'm like bro are you serious? 10 people entered this tourney and we started at 4pm and it's now close to 12am. The winner would only receive $55 dollars.

A long time ago, when my local bar was having Sunday tournaments it was close to 2:00 AM when the players for the finals were finally determined. I ask the guy if we could just split the pot and go home. We did.
 
I agree. I apologize to anyone if I came across as bashing all TD's in general. Some of them have no clue about the game, while some of them are passionate about the game of pool. I wish I had the time to be able to organize and run a tournament. I also wish people were more competitive to push the game beyond it's boundaries. Like I know there are some people that work a 9-5 and can still snap off a weekly tournament, but there are hardly any rewards for such person of that skill level against others of similar caliber.

There are also TD's who work a 9-5 and still find the time and energy to run a tournament late hours into the night. So I definitely respect it. But there needs to be some kind of change. How will we ever win back the Mosconi Cup if this is the direction pool is headed for in America?

Besides Earl Strickland, when will we ever be able to say we've had a champion from USA who's won back to back World 9 Ball titles if all we play on is barboxes?

Don't try and organize a US Open -- think quick and simple.

You put the word out online and/or with a couple of posters; limit the field by entries or entry fees for a one day event; and attach green fees ensuring they're high enough that you can hire/pay a local yokel to actually be the TD (so you can-play : -)

Lou Figueroa
 
If I could go back in time instead of learning how to be a competition pool player, I wish learned how to be put on a good exhibition.

A match that is not meant to kill or destroy the opponent.

I did not know how to spar. If a player was weak then I take the quick kill. If the player was strong then be patient.

Nowadays I like to see how players react
when they challenge me. Supporting players after a miss, there is nothing wrong with missing for the 99% of the pool population that plays for fun.

If I pay for table time and invite friends then that is different then having fun at league. I still struggle with a good exhibition, pool is not on anyones radar.

1% of the population talks about pool and they cant even follow their own rules. The same 1% cant even agree to one set of rules.

Enjoy practice time. Then enjoy practice time with beginners. Then see if they want to compete. Do not play anyone full strength.
 
Glad I live where I do. Eastern Canada. Not a bar box in sight. Only 9' tables and lots of them. Only complaint is they are mostly set up a little loose.

Played in a 8 ball tournament on the weekend. 63 players. Started 11am. I placed 3rd and lost at midnight. Final was done about 1am. Long day, but lots of pool played. First was $745 ... I took home $300 for 3rd/4th.

Thankfully pool is alive and well in my region.
 
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