America vs Rest of the World
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camaro69926
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I can name 5 American players that are 18 years old and under with a Fargo over 700. In my opinion we are sitting pretty good.
There is a LONNNNNNNNNNGG road between 700 and 800+. Reaching 700 is not "terribly" difficult when you are a teen with some innate physical talent and can practice 12 hours a day, every day during your summer break, and during any breaks from school, during the school year. If you have an easy class schedule, you might get 2 hours per night practice. If you are a poor student and don't give school your all, then maybe 4 a night.
What separates folks like Shane Van Boening is what they do after they hit 18... Deep, intense study of the game, with a burning drive to be the best in the world? Practicing 8 hours a day on aspects of the game everyone else dedicates 2 hours to?
It takes an exceptional player to resist the "call of hormones" at that age, which is telling them to put down the cue and and go find some p***y.
Incentive??? It's what they do for a living for 1, and their pay is based off results/performance, gee, I can't figure out a reason to take the game seriously. Wtf
What are the populations of those countries?
47 Mil for Spain compared to 334 mil for US
Austria less than 9 million
Less than 24Mil for taiwan
So 80 Mil for 7 players
VS 2 players for 334Mil.
1/4 the population for 4x more players than the US - not looking good for USA
AUSTRIA with less than 9 million people has 3 and USA with 334 million has 2 - yep, we got the world right where we want it
Edit: there are 9 from the Philippines rated higher than Sky alone. I think there are a few more that dominate US than what you claimed
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I'll take team Europe, flip it
Poland has 8 players above our # 3 Hennessee
Germany has 5
Great Britain has 5
Phillipines has 28
Anybody that thinks America is even remotely competitive on the world stage is delusional.
Those #'s only get us to #3 in the US, can't go any lower because the rest are out of the top 100 in the world.
Before you start on the Dechaine, Bergman bs - they don't play
Germany has 5
Great Britain has 5
Phillipines has 28
Anybody that thinks America is even remotely competitive on the world stage is delusional.
Those #'s only get us to #3 in the US, can't go any lower because the rest are out of the top 100 in the world.
Before you start on the Dechaine, Bergman bs - they don't play
Maybe you should go elsewhere
I think the gap between the US and the rest is widening.
Aside for the two inactive players (Dechaine/Bergman), the US has just two of the top ninety players based on Fargo Rate. Yes, SVB and Skyler are threats to win at a moment's notice. In Matchroom majors, Shane had a gold and a silver in 2022 and a bronze in 2023 and Skyler had two bronzes in 2023. Either might snap off a title, but neither is under 30 years old. To me, there's no consolation in the fact that America's top two remain outstanding players,
Yes, the US has a few up and coming young players, but I refuse to get excited about any young player of any nationality until they reach Fargo 750, and the Top 100 players all have a Fargo of 780, which is, perhaps, the new benchmark for world class nine ball.
In contrast, Europe has 19 year old Neuhausen at 792, 22 year old Zielinski at 817, 22 year old Pehlivanovic (silver at the World Games and silver at the World 8-ball) at 807, 23 year old Gorst at 839, 23 year old Aleksa Pecelj at 793 (bronze in this year's US Open 9-ball), 24 year old Kaci at 830, 25 year old Pijus Labutis (bronze at the Spanish Open) at 791 and 25 year old Josh Filler at 844. Which Americans of 25 and under are achieving anything close to what these Europeans have already accomplished? Do any of the 25 and under Americans look like they can have results like these? We shall see, but it's hard to be optimistic. A 25-and-under Mosconi Cup would be far less competitive than the current version. Who exactly does the US want to put up against Filler, Kaci, Gorst, Pehlivanoic and Zielinski?
To get the ball rolling, America needs to own the size of the gap rather than live in denial.
Late Addition: There's also 22 year old Wiktor Zielinski at 817 and 19 year old Neuhausen at 792. They have been added.
Aside for the two inactive players (Dechaine/Bergman), the US has just two of the top ninety players based on Fargo Rate. Yes, SVB and Skyler are threats to win at a moment's notice. In Matchroom majors, Shane had a gold and a silver in 2022 and a bronze in 2023 and Skyler had two bronzes in 2023. Either might snap off a title, but neither is under 30 years old. To me, there's no consolation in the fact that America's top two remain outstanding players,
Yes, the US has a few up and coming young players, but I refuse to get excited about any young player of any nationality until they reach Fargo 750, and the Top 100 players all have a Fargo of 780, which is, perhaps, the new benchmark for world class nine ball.
In contrast, Europe has 19 year old Neuhausen at 792, 22 year old Zielinski at 817, 22 year old Pehlivanovic (silver at the World Games and silver at the World 8-ball) at 807, 23 year old Gorst at 839, 23 year old Aleksa Pecelj at 793 (bronze in this year's US Open 9-ball), 24 year old Kaci at 830, 25 year old Pijus Labutis (bronze at the Spanish Open) at 791 and 25 year old Josh Filler at 844. Which Americans of 25 and under are achieving anything close to what these Europeans have already accomplished? Do any of the 25 and under Americans look like they can have results like these? We shall see, but it's hard to be optimistic. A 25-and-under Mosconi Cup would be far less competitive than the current version. Who exactly does the US want to put up against Filler, Kaci, Gorst, Pehlivanoic and Zielinski?
To get the ball rolling, America needs to own the size of the gap rather than live in denial.
Late Addition: There's also 22 year old Wiktor Zielinski at 817 and 19 year old Neuhausen at 792. They have been added.
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Maybe you hate facts
i wrote "in the nineball rankings", ie money won on the tour. there aren't 9 pinoys higher than sky in the rankings
I am sure that has nothing whatsoever to do with their general inability to get funds/approval/visas to travel.
i don't know the individual reasons. if you do, please share.
Fargo is the real measure, if everybody played every tournament then ok, but that's not reality.
Are you saying there's not 28 players from the PHI that play better than Hennessee?
You've got action anytime they play.
if you read my first post once again you'll see that i was only really referring to svb and sky and the kind of crap they get
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It's their "general inability to get funds/approval/visas to travel". Only the absolute world crushers get their shot, and if they don't beat pretty much everyone they play right out the gate, unlikely to get a second chance. So really, only the ones just slaughtering the other players in PHI get their shot. I heard about Raga years before he got his shot to play internationally. Lee Van too.
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I once read about a young Scandinavian tennis talent. He had spend every minute he could on the tenniscourt. He lived tennis and won everything. Then he started competing on the European level and played against Eastern European talents and he got crushed. They played tennis like their live depended on it.
That could play a role here too. For some Asian youngsters this is their shot at a better future, so they really give it all.
Alongside other things ofcourse.
Tyler Styer is positively surprising me though. But one swallow does not make spring.
That could play a role here too. For some Asian youngsters this is their shot at a better future, so they really give it all.
Alongside other things ofcourse.
Tyler Styer is positively surprising me though. But one swallow does not make spring.
camaro69926
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My point was that when SVB was in his prime, Germany (Filler), Russia (Gorst) and Spain (FSR) had some teens that were around the 700 Fargo Rate. League players dont just wake up and say i am now going to play like a 850 FR.
camaro69926
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You dont think it is terribly difficult to get to 700???? How much fun does that even sound like for any teen???? practice 12 hours a day all summer and breaks from school??? Just like the pros do, they practice maybe 20 hours a week. If somebody wants it bad enough even if you have a full time job you could find 2 to 3 hours a day to practice if you wanted to. People would rather find an excuse on why they dont want to put the work in. and say things like 700 is not terribly difficult to reach. 700 FR is extremely difficult to get to. how many people do you play pool with regularly or in your area that are over 700??? SMDH