an open challenge

[billychips]

doing what???

how should corey match up with efren??

playing what game?? listen folks...this thread was started to try and get a game with Jesse or James on a bar box.....nobody is saying that Corey wants to gamble with Efren....hell, he might, you can ask him. But i just want to bet on the bar box matchups that have been talked about for so long

 

[CrossSideLarry]

Webster defines a "Forum" as:

As defined in the dictionary, a "Forum" is a public place for open exchange of ideas. That said, I believe our AZB Forum to be exactly that. Therefore, provided the discussion is kept in good taste and not mean spirited, then any topic related to this sport we all love, should be open. If someone wants to promote action, that should be their right to do so on the AZB forum. Otherwise, may I suggest we change the term, "Main Forum" to something like "Main Exchange For Reserved Discussion"

On another point, regarding Jesse Bowman. I have known Jesse since he was 14 years old, when he ran with his older buddy, Johnny Kuchero. I know Jesse's father and his former mentors, including Mark Wilson. They are all honorable individuals who are greatly respected in the Quad Cities area.

Growing up in Cincinnati in the fifties, I was privilaged to watch some great young talent emerge including Joey Spaeth. Joey's father, "Northside Eddie" was one of the best money players of his day. He taught Joey well and likewise, Joey passed it all on to his own son, Gary Spaeth.

I never saw Corey play as a teenager but I sure wish I had. What is my point you ask? Simply this: These young guns are blossoming all around the world and aside from the Derby City Classic, they don't have many opportunities to match up except in tournaments and it remains my opinion that is not really matching up. So let the woofers woof as they choose and if it results in action, all the better. I am just glad to have the Forum available as a place to hear it unfold.

For what it is worth, I have one of the best home pool rooms in the state of Arizona with a new nine foot Diamond Professional table w/860 Simonis cloth. I will happily make it available for action between such notable players as Corey and Jesse. Further, I will buy them both a round trip airline ticket and provide their digs and meals if they care to match up here. No railbirds, no backers, no "BS". Just the two of them going at it!

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"

 

[sjm]

As defined in the dictionary, a "Forum" is a public place for open exchange of ideas. That said, I believe our AZB Forum to be exactly that. Therefore, provided the discussion is kept in good taste and not mean spirited, then any topic related to this sport we all love, should be open. If someone wants to promote action, that should be their right to do so on the AZB forum. Otherwise, may I suggest we change the term, "Main Forum" to something like "Main Exchange For Reserved Discussion"

On another point, regarding Jesse Bowman. I have known Jesse since he was 14 years old, when he ran with his older buddy, Johnny Kuchero. I know Jesse's father and his former mentors, including Mark Wilson. They are all honorable individuals who are greatly respected in the Quad Cities area.

Growing up in Cincinnati in the fifties, I was privilaged to watch some great young talent emerge including Joey Spaeth. Joey's father, "Northside Eddie" was one of the best money players of his day. He taught Joey well and likewise, Joey passed it all on to his own son, Gary Spaeth.

I never saw Corey play as a teenager but I sure wish I had. What is my point you ask? Simply this: These young guns are blossoming all around the world and aside from the Derby City Classic, they don't have many opportunities to match up except in tournaments and it remains my opinion that is not really matching up. So let the woofers woof as they choose and if it results in action, all the better. I am just glad to have the Forum available as a place to hear it unfold.

For what it is worth, I have one of the best home pool rooms in the state of Arizona with a new nine foot Diamond Professional table w/860 Simonis cloth. I will happily make it available for action between such notable players as Corey and Jesse. Further, I will buy them both a round trip airline ticket and provide their digs and meals if they care to match up here. No railbirds, no backers, no "BS". Just the two of them going at it!

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"

We're not exactly on the same page, but I enjoyed this interesting, well-presented and well-reasoned post.

Assume you mean John Kucharo, not John Kuchero. He had one of the best nine ball breaks I've ever seen! I met him in London just days after the completion of the 2001 WPC in Cardiff.

Also, as you are an old timer from Ohio, did you have the pleasure of watching Geroge Rood play one pocket? I've heard wonderful things about him.

 

[huckster]

The game with JS i was referring to is straight pool, but how about nineball on a 9' table with Antonio Lining?


also the same game with Johnny Archer?

Since your man is so good and dont want to give up any weight and everyone must play even, go play Archer, Parica, Busta and Efren. See how he likes it, even. Who is your guy? If he is so good and you are on the internet, looking for a game then say who your backing. There are a lot of guys like Shannon Daulton, Tony Watson, and James Welden who are ready.
Jose Parica is always available and more than willing to bet high and he too prefers long ahead sets. Mika is around NY, Corey Deuel is around Ohio. John Schmidt is always looking a game. A game that you are looking is not hard to get and you dont need the internet to find it, but then again you probably cant run three balls and your player cant run six.



NorthCarolinian,
Does the above quote look familiar? It should it is from a year and a hal ago when I had Antonio in country and you replied that you liked Tony Watson to take down the cash against Antonio. Have you ever met Antonio? It bugs me that guys come online and volunteer action for champions when they do not back them or even know them. Billychipps is willing to back Corey in a match and I applaude that. These threads always turn into a my dad can beat up your dad debate. I respect Coreys game a lot. I've spoken with him quite a few times and have offered a few games to his buddy Aaron C (betting with them and against them). If Jessie wants to play rack your own on any size table with Corey foe atleast 20k Aaron has offered to fly Jessie into Ohio to play. If billychips and/or Aaron have Coreys action that is great. If they can or will not cover all available side action I am interested in any remaining action. I think Jesse plays lights out but i love the action.

 

[watchez]

Learn to read Watchez,
I'm just trying to establish how this proposition is supposed to work, as I am sure are most readers.

As for your ridiculous challenge and inference that I suppose myself to be superior for being on the IPT, it doesn't deserve comment, other than to say that I believe that to the intelligent readers here, it offers them an insight into YOUR character.

I'm sure there are guys who'd love to have a bet, but don't feel secure about it.

The bold says it all. You do question his character. You act as if you have never heard of two people gambling for money before @pool. Let's just say this match does take place. Would you have the balls to walk up to Jessie before the match started & read, to his face, verbatum the post that you put on here?

And I don't know why my challenge is so ridiculous. Jessie is an amateur, you are the IPT pro....and you are the one poster on this site that makes sure that everyone knows it each & every time you make a post. No other 'IPT pro' comes close to the self indulgence that you create. That offers insight into YOUR character.

 

[huckster]

This thread is garbage because of you, not me. As bad as this thread would be if you were a player, it is even worse than I thought. As you have verified in this post of yours, you're not even a player, just a railbird or stakehorse desperate for someone to take advantage of. The suggestion in your post that this is something that you "have to do" is an insult to the intelligence of every poster on AZB.



Well, I continue to say that this is not what the main forum of AZB is for. When threads compromise the quality of this forum, I'll comment.

If I start a thread that, in your opinion, compromises the quality of this forum, I welcome and encourage you to comment, just as I have.

Your right, maybe we need another thread about predator shafts or our prefrence in chalk. Just pulling your chain I like threads that can make money for me, and this has potential. He is a stakehorse and loves the game, is that a bad thing? I am under the impression that you are a highly skilled player and that is great. We have not all had the time to dedicate to the game as others. That does not mean that this topics are any less valuable then strategic posts. I play about once every week for less then a half hour. I have won many local tournamnets and am the most feared onepocket player in my city of 30 thousand, but that does not come close to maintaining the lifestyle that I am accustomed to. I am a very smart gambler borderline lock artist at pool, but I will bet very high. I enjoy these threads because it is possible that I may gain financially from the outcome. So please remeber it takes all types of threads to appeal to the masses.

 

[NorthCarolinian]

hey huckster, every person i mentioned is known to gamble, and a lot of them dont need the nuts to play, the reason i mentioned lining was that i remembered someone, didnt know it was you, that was looking to play "anyone" some even nineball. This thread started out sounding the same way untill billy clarified that he wanted corey to play james or jesse.

it seems that every month or so, someone is willing to back a top player against "anyone", then when someone the same speed or better is mentioned, all of the sudden the top player is friends with or countrymen and they dont play each other. I find that funny, but its all good.

I think its cool to try to get action online, i just throw out names that i see on this forum that want to play almost anyone, ie Tony Chohan, Antonio Lining, and Corey Deuel. Or in magazines or tv like Danny Basavich or Gabe Owen.

BTW Huck, i didnt mean to ruffle any feathers, cuz if you saved that quote from a year ago, i didnt mean to offend you. its just a message board

anyhow, its all good

 

[huckster]

hey huckster, every person i mentioned is known to gamble, and a lot of them dont need the nuts to play, the reason i mentioned lining was that i remembered someone, didnt know it was you, that was looking to play "anyone" some even nineball. This thread started out sounding the same way untill billy clarified that he wanted corey to play james or jesse.

it seems that every month or so, someone is willing to back a top player against "anyone", then when someone the same speed or better is mentioned, all of the sudden the top player is friends with or countrymen and they dont play each other. I find that funny, but its all good.

I think its cool to try to get action online, i just throw out names that i see on this forum that want to play almost anyone, ie Tony Chohan, Antonio Lining, and Corey Deuel. Or in magazines or tv like Danny Basavich or Gabe Owen.

BTW Huck, i didnt mean to ruffle any feathers, cuz if you saved that quote from a year ago, i didnt mean to offend you. its just a message board

anyhow, its all good

No problem. I searched and copied the quote. I miss having Antonio around because he never lost. I love to bet, but I always try to have the best of it. Antonio will play any of his countrymen but he spends so much time in Japan it is hard to find any action there. I think of Antonio as Weenie Beenie (RIP) thought of his first successful road trip. I parlayed our winnings into investments real estate and a high six figure poker bankroll. Even though Antonio is no longer a young man he still is a world beater. I have had the pleasure of backing Jose, Antonio, Leonardo, Alex, and Lee Van and they all play unbelievable

 

[jrhendy]

OK, maybe I went overboard with that remark. It's the impression you created, but if I jumped to a conclusion that is false, I apologize. You are, by your own account, playing the stakehorse in solicitation of action in this thread.

As for the "you need to quit being so bitter and mad at the world" remark, thanks for a good laugh. Nobody has ever said that to me before, and it came out really funny.

You presume that passing on Corey's action challenges is appropriate on this forum. Well, we've got many pros with a column on AZB, and I can't recall even one of them ever using this forum for solicitation of action games for either themselves or their friends.. That's because they are too classy to use this forum for that purpose.

Think about it, and you may start to understand why I am bothered by your initial post in this thread. Anyway, it's your right to disagree with me, and if you persist in doing so, that's OK.

You still haven't attempted to explain why you feel this kind of thread is appropriate, and if you wish to do so, I might reconsider my views.

You sound a little uptight & self righteous. This is a forum about pool & pool players. Almost all of the players you probably like to watch honed their skills by gambling at pool. The ones that don't or haven't gambled don't achieve a very high level of success in their chosen sport. There are a few exceptions, but very few. This forum is the perfect place for one of the best players in the world to hook up with another top player. It saves a lot of time and energy and allows us has beens and wanna beesa place to to voice our opinions and to even disagree with posters like you who don't seem to have a clue. John Henderson

 

[theoneandonly]

Lining

I just had the chance to see Antonio Lining shoot at the last IPT qual near Boston. he shot lights out and made it all the way up to the last day. All the Philipino players were playing lights out. It was a pleasure to see all the matches at the Qual.

 

[sjm]

You sound a little uptight & self righteous. This is a forum about pool & pool players. Almost all of the players you probably like to watch honed their skills by gambling at pool. The ones that don't or haven't gambled don't achieve a very high level of success in their chosen sport. There are a few exceptions, but very few. This forum is the perfect place for one of the best players in the world to hook up with another top player. It saves a lot of time and energy and allows us has beens and wanna beesa place to to voice our opinions and to even disagree with posters like you who don't seem to have a clue. John Henderson

Sad that you had to resort to a cheap personal attack.

Reread my posts and you'll se that I'm not anti-gambling. As I've noted, I don't believe in the use of the forum by pros for soliciting gambling matches, and every one of the pros that has a column here at AZB had, through their actions, has shown they agree.

You have voiced your opinion as to what this forum is for, and I've studied your post and considered its content carefully. I have considered the merits of your post objectively without jumping to any conclusions about you or your ability to form opinions that are well-grounded in logic. On the contrary, your ability to offer thoughtful opinions and insights on the subject of pool is assumed.

Am I the clueless and uninformed mental midget that you have contended I am? Now let's see. I have been around pro pool for forty years, and know the landscape of pro pool as well as nearly anyone. I have staked pro players, sponsored the careers of pro players and funded local exhibition matches between pros. I am a serious fan and long-time benefactor of pro pool. I am a graduate of an Ivy League University and I'm a very successful executive of a top investment bank. Isn't it just possible that you have me pegged wrong?

Anyway, you have my respect even if, by having a view you disagree with, I've lost yours.

 

[sjm]

Your right, maybe we need another thread about predator shafts or our prefrence in chalk. Just pulling your chain I like threads that can make money for me, and this has potential. He is a stakehorse and loves the game, is that a bad thing? I am under the impression that you are a highly skilled player and that is great. We have not all had the time to dedicate to the game as others. That does not mean that this topics are any less valuable then strategic posts. I play about once every week for less then a half hour. I have won many local tournamnets and am the most feared onepocket player in my city of 30 thousand, but that does not come close to maintaining the lifestyle that I am accustomed to. I am a very smart gambler borderline lock artist at pool, but I will bet very high. I enjoy these threads because it is possible that I may gain financially from the outcome. So please remeber it takes all types of threads to appeal to the masses.

Thank you for sharing your views. I enjoyed reading your post.

 

[vagabond]

You sound a little uptight & self righteous. This is a forum about pool & pool players. John Henderson

Hi,
All these days I did not realize jrhendry is John Henderson.Wellcome to the AZB.I heard good things about your game.how are u hitting these days?

 

[Andrew Manning]

The bold says it all. You do question his character. You act as if you have never heard of two people gambling for money before @pool. Let's just say this match does take place. Would you have the balls to walk up to Jessie before the match started & read, to his face, verbatum the post that you put on here?

And I don't know why my challenge is so ridiculous. Jessie is an amateur, you are the IPT pro....and you are the one poster on this site that makes sure that everyone knows it each & every time you make a post. No other 'IPT pro' comes close to the self indulgence that you create. That offers insight into YOUR character.

Not to butt into a two-person debate here, but since the debate's on a public forum and that's sort of what public forums are about...

Ease up, man. He wouldn't want to say what he said to Jessie's face, because the act of saying it to his face would be insulting. But the act of checking out pool players he doesn't know before potentially putting his money at risk isn't insulting, it's the only smart thing to do. Jessie would probably recognize that.

The challenge is ridiculous because he's never claimed he plays on the level of Jessie Bowman, or anyone else that plays top pros for even money. He must play pretty decently, but he's said in as many words that he's not on the IPT's 150-player list because he's one of the top 150 players in the world, he just happened to submit an impressive enough application on time, which a lot of the best players in the world didn't.

And you're blaming someone lucky enough to have gotten in on the ground floor of the new big POOL TOUR for talking about that tour on a POOL FORUM? It's not like he says "I'm on a pro tour and you're not" in order to "pull rank" on anyone. He talks about the tour because the tour's important to him. Lighten up.

-Andrew

 

[vagabond]

Jessie is an amateur

Jesse is NOT an Amateur.He is a pro player by any meaning or standard.He is a top gun in USA right now.

 

[watchez]

Jesse is NOT an Amateur.He is a pro player by any meaning or standard.He is a top gun in USA right now.

Of course I definitely agree he is a top gun.

Name me three pro events that Jessie has played in the past 12 months.

 

[vagabond]

Of course I definitely agree he is a top gun.

Name me three pro events that Jessie has played in the past 12 months.

Hi,
I will not go wrong if I say `he plays Pro speed/level`.Heee, Heeee

 

[BillYards]

Can't someone call Jesse and get this set-up for God's sake??? Match-up, pay-off, and sell the video to the fans (cut some money back to the players). It seems like everyone can win with this one. It would be a legendary barbox matchup.

 

[jrhendy]

Hi,
All these days I did not realize jrhendry is John Henderson.Wellcome to the AZB.I heard good things about your game.how are u hitting these days?

Getting old (66) and living in the boonies outside of Sacramento & nowhere close to play. I still play a little one pocket & will be at Hard Times In Sacramento this Saturday. John Henderson

 

[jrhendy]

Sad that you had to resort to a cheap personal attack.

Reread my posts and you'll se that I'm not anti-gambling. As I've noted, I don't believe in the use of the forum by pros for soliciting gambling matches, and every one of the pros that has a column here at AZB had, through their actions, has shown they agree.

You have voiced your opinion as to what this forum is for, and I've studied your post and considered its content carefully. I have considered the merits of your post objectively without jumping to any conclusions about you or your ability to form opinions that are well-grounded in logic. On the contrary, your ability to offer thoughtful opinions and insights on the subject of pool is assumed.

Am I the clueless and uninformed mental midget that you have contended I am? Now let's see. I have been around pro pool for forty years, and know the landscape of pro pool as well as nearly anyone. I have staked pro players, sponsored the careers of pro players and funded local exhibition matches between pros. I am a serious fan and long-time benefactor of pro pool. I am a graduate of an Ivy League University and I'm a very successful executive of a top investment bank. Isn't it just possible that you have me pegged wrong?

Anyway, you have my respect even if, by having a view you disagree with, I've lost yours.

It is possible, and your posts are intelligent & well written. I just disagree with your opinion of using the board for action. I would much rather follow the gambling exploits of well known players on here than read about aiming systems and what kind of tip to use. This is a place for those that are interested in such things, but I'm not one of them. I have been around pool 50+ years and either gambled or played in tournaments with many of the players mentioned on these boards. I still mix it up once and a while, but get some of my pool fix on these sites. John Henderson