I probably would have done something different. I wouldnt say this is a chicken shit move, but there are chicken shit plays. But I would not have done it in this case as the defense on his shot would be too easy.
An upsetting shot!
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There are definitely allot of different ways that this could be played. And against a better player I may have been in trouble. I was counting on this guy to tilt and I figured that this was the safest play for me against him.
Thinning the 11 would be my other choice as long as I felt I could keep the 11 close to the eight.
Sometimes you just know what you can get away with against certain players.
Thinning the 11 would be my other choice as long as I felt I could keep the 11 close to the eight.
Sometimes you just know what you can get away with against certain players.
Easy Decision! Sometimes you have to play to your opponents skill set. And if he had never seen someone play like this, then chances are that he wouldn't nail the safety down afterwards.
Smart shot, and sometimes you have to take risks to win games. Could he have locked you up afterwards, of course, but did you have a chance to win the game because the dude was going on Tilt, Yep!
Doesn't sound like he was a good enough player that you had to worry about him making his own 2 ball and breaking open the 8 and getting a shot. So you had lots of options, just as long as you didn't foul and open the 8.
Smart shot, and sometimes you have to take risks to win games. Could he have locked you up afterwards, of course, but did you have a chance to win the game because the dude was going on Tilt, Yep!
Doesn't sound like he was a good enough player that you had to worry about him making his own 2 ball and breaking open the 8 and getting a shot. So you had lots of options, just as long as you didn't foul and open the 8.
I think it was definitely a smart play. If you were to play the safety, the 'ducked' 2 is a fairly easy kick for most players.
Additionally, had you played safe and he missed, getting ball-in-hand doesn't really help you! From what I see, the 8 and 11 are frozen to eachother, and the 8 to the rail, I don't see a non bank shot on the 11 (actually, perhaps only the long bank?) that has a chance of going in.
In my opinion, without the 2, the game comes down to "whoever breaks up the 11 and 8 loses", which is exactly what happened. In fact, had I been him, I would have done the slow safety (hit into the 8, separating the 8 & 11, but leaving you without a view), which could have won it for him.
Additionally, had you played safe and he missed, getting ball-in-hand doesn't really help you! From what I see, the 8 and 11 are frozen to eachother, and the 8 to the rail, I don't see a non bank shot on the 11 (actually, perhaps only the long bank?) that has a chance of going in.
In my opinion, without the 2, the game comes down to "whoever breaks up the 11 and 8 loses", which is exactly what happened. In fact, had I been him, I would have done the slow safety (hit into the 8, separating the 8 & 11, but leaving you without a view), which could have won it for him.
In a league setting it's not chicken shit. In a tournament setting it's not chicken shit. In a bar, playing some drunk for money with his buddies looking on could get you hurt.
I'm surprised he left you a shot though, if he just puts the cue ball on the rail next to the 8 he should be able to freeze the cue ball to the 8 and knock your ball away, leaving you safe.
I'm surprised he left you a shot though, if he just puts the cue ball on the rail next to the 8 he should be able to freeze the cue ball to the 8 and knock your ball away, leaving you safe.
I second that, s'portplayer... Greenie for Neil...
Cdryden wanted to put the guy on tilt, and that's exactly what he accomplished. I've done the same type of thing in league before, and it amazing how many times it works out in my favor.
Sometimes it also depends on where you are in the batting order, too....
There is nothing wrong with shooting the other players balls. Sometimes you can adjust your plan depending who you are playing and that players ability. Im glad it worked for you but 9 times out of 10 playing a good player you will lose , I realize that the kick shot was a realitivily easy one but after making it he would have had to break open the 8 ball or had to hook you and depending where the cueball stopped it may have not been easy and a scratch was possible, By giving him ball in hand he could locked you up quite easy. Why do all his work for him? A clip on the 11 and leave the balls tight and cueball on the side rail you have to leave things in the other players hands but you hand no real choice. Your lucky it worked out for you but it could have been real bad unless your good at lagging 3 rails to play a nice safety back. its just my opinion but just cause it worked once doesnt make it the right play.
Chicken S__t or Smart Play?
IMO, a smart play. He in turn should have shot the cue ball into the pocket, giving ball in hand back to you. If you respond in kind and he likewise, he eventually wins because you fouled three times before he did!
IMO, a smart play. He in turn should have shot the cue ball into the pocket, giving ball in hand back to you. If you respond in kind and he likewise, he eventually wins because you fouled three times before he did!
What league was this APA, Valley, etc? If it was Valley you could have dug the knife further in and called the 11 in the side and then make the 2 leaving the cue ball at the pocket and then just have a bewildered look on your face and say I can't believe I missed that.
Not the same thing as you did but, I have done close to the same.
When your opponent owns a pocket that I need opened up, I will combo one of my balls into it, hoping to put mine in too. If it doesn't work, then at least
the pocket is open.
I will also mess with an opponents ball, taking it out of easy play and same with the 8.
If it buys me one more shot at the table, then its worth the risk.
Say one of your balls is locked up against your opponents ball. The only thing you can do is move your ball, thus opening up your opponents ball for the next shot. I've seen guys shoot the cue ball in, giving BIH so the only option he has is to hit his ball, then opening up your next shot.
Not chicken poop if it buys you one more shot. If it works, it works and if it doesn't, no one can say you didn't try.
Same stuff, different pile.
When your opponent owns a pocket that I need opened up, I will combo one of my balls into it, hoping to put mine in too. If it doesn't work, then at least
the pocket is open.
I will also mess with an opponents ball, taking it out of easy play and same with the 8.
If it buys me one more shot at the table, then its worth the risk.
Say one of your balls is locked up against your opponents ball. The only thing you can do is move your ball, thus opening up your opponents ball for the next shot. I've seen guys shoot the cue ball in, giving BIH so the only option he has is to hit his ball, then opening up your next shot.
Not chicken poop if it buys you one more shot. If it works, it works and if it doesn't, no one can say you didn't try.
Same stuff, different pile.
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JC
Coos Cues
I agree with this. It was not smart play other than the fact you were playing a weak player. You will lose most of the time against experienced players with that move. It's just too easy to leave you kicking at the 11 ball with ball in hand.
JC
I'm wondering what his opponent was planning on doing had he pocketed the 2 ball? 
He should be glad he missed that one.
He should be glad he missed that one.
with ball in hand he missed the 8?? crying is a forgone conclusion
So for educational purposes, exactly how does one make the 8 with BIH at this point?
I'm all for learning. God knows I need it.
JC
Coos Cues
If you made the best shot you could make to give you the best shot at winning the game, then it was the correct shot, Period. I think yo ualready know that, but just want confirmation, but the reality is more that the other gentleman was more mad that he lost, than at your shot, or he just doesn't know pool all that well, which is possible also. Either way, defensive play is good play in whatever form it takes.