Another Deano Cue review

[poolplayer2093]

who was it that made a cue similar to this dean cue?

 

[JB Cases]

Oh you're right John - I NEVER look at anything objectively.

I "can't stand"? It "burns my ass"? lol - I don't CARE. My ass is a perfectly normal 98.6

"I can't stand"? John, you give yourself way too much credit - you are providing me with entertainment - nothing more. I'm a 'bigot'? lol
John, I don't care what I "get with you" - so far, I've gotten a whole of nothing.

The above I will give you - a lot of people had that reaction to Deano's customers being called 'suckers', but I also feel that Craig and others (myself included) had some valid points concerning our characterization of Deano's customers. You disagree - nothing wrong with that. But you did put words in people's mouths when you claimed that they were saying Deano's cues were bad. That wasn't the complaint and you know it - the complaint was his marketing and people buying into it with imo no good reason. Again, we disagree - that's what makes the world interesting

The difference is huge - Titlists are a known quantity with established market values, and those values are based on solid facts. I won't waste people's time trying to explain to you why Titlist collectors are different from Deano collectors (is there ALREADY such a thing? )

John, just as you took offense at Craig questioning the intelligence of the newbies who are jumping all over these Deano cues without a clue as to what they are, I also took offense at you - for jumping Craig without having a clue as to who he is.

As far as Craig's knowledge of cues, I would personally put up $1,000 on a set between you and Craig - Craig playing with a cue he built and you playing with one you built - DEAD EVEN. And yes, I've seen Craig play, and no, I haven't seen you play - I've only heard you talk.

Put up the same thousand and I will let you pick any cue in my booth. Surely Craig's cues are better than any chinese cue made. I will be at Valley Forge with $1000 ready to play. I will even play with the $59 Sterling sneaky pete if that's the one you choose. I have no doubt that Craig can make a better cue than I can, I am not a cuemaker and own no equipment. However I do know that there are "sneaky petes" that are easily "worth" more than $200, do you disagree with that?

I responded first simply to Craig's words not to his experience or lack thereof.

First, how can you or ANYONE say that the people who bought Dean's cues are "newbies" or that they are inexperienced buyers? The truth is that very few newbies would shell out $300 bucks based on Dean's sales pitch on this board. Especially in the face of the response from the "established" crowd.

You jumped me for jumping on Craig's experience level and yet you make such a statement as to assume that all or most of Dean's customers are inexprienced "newbies" when in fact this has been shown to not be the case.

And Craig didn't just "question" he "labeled" the buyers as suckers, which by extension makes the seller a scammer. If that is right in the face of such positive reviews then I guess I really am clueless.

 

[runscott]

ok, i just want to jump in here really quick and say that i to recieved my Deano Cue and played with it for about 6 hours today. the cue hits great, solid feel. and moves the cue ball around pretty easy. draw shots are easier, mostly because of the stiff shaft. this cue hits better then both my Dale Perry with a 314-2 shaft(radial pin, on the Dale), and my Meucci with a 314-2 shaft(5/16x18 pin). i just ask that people do not critize the cue until they have had a chance to play with it. anyone that lives california south bay area, that plays at Hardtimes(bellflower) or Mr. Lucky's(torrance) let me know and i'll let you try mine. then you can judge for yourself. thats all i wanted to say. thanks,
Manuel

Wow! Better than your Dale Perry OR your Meucci? C'mon - you're messing with us, right?

BTW Manuel - and I'll say this real loud because you missed it the first hundred times we said it - NO ONE IS CRITICIZING THE CUE - IT'S THE MARKETING WE'RE BASHING. get it?

 

[runscott]

...then I guess I really am clueless.

okay, I can go with that.

 

[manwon]

who was it that made a cue similar to this dean cue?

European cue makers around two hundred years ago, Brunswick from the 1890's until the 1960's. (wood screw was always an option for a custom). Harvey Martin also made wood screw cues on a limited basis, Hermon Rambo as part of Brunswick, Helmstetter / Adam cues starting in the 1970's, and any cue maker who has made 3-Cushion cues in the last hundred years with the exception of Schuler. Is the wood screw joint a good stable joint, yes it is, will it provide a solid hit certainly, is it a new concept, I do not think so!!!!!!!!!

 

[runscott]

European cues maker around two hundred years ago, Brunswick from the 1890's until the 1960's. (wood screw was always an option for a custom). Harvey Martin also made wood screw cues on a limited basis, Hermon Rambo as part of Brunswick, Helmstetter / Adam cues starting in the 1970's, and any cue maker who has made 3-Cushion cues in the last hundred years with the exception of Schuler. Is the wood screw joint a good stable joint, yes it is, will it provide a solid hit certainly, is it a new concept, I do not think so!!!!!!!!!

Yes, and I will admit (as I have previously, believe it or not) that I LIKE the way a 'wood pin in the shaft' cue plays.

It's great that so many people are giving Deano cues rave reviews, and as I said previously (and some num-nut had the audacity to take a shot at me anyway) I highly respect GOLFPARENT's opinion on ANY cue. And no, I won't run out and buy a Deano based on the review of EricdRaven, Manuel, or any of the other newbies who splurged for one of these Deano's...that's just the way I roll when it comes to cue-purchasing - seems kind of smart to me.

If someone I knew had a Deano, I would love to hit with it - I'm just not laying out $300 for an unknown maker sneaky pete (Yes, John Barton - $300 for an UNKNOWN MAKER sneaky pete is ABSURD)...wait a sec...the price went up, right? What is it now for one of these Magic Deano's?

Also, if I DID order one, do I get to specify 'plays like a Searing', 'plays like a South West', etc.? Just curious, given some of Deano's claims, which are JUST PLAIN WEIRD, given that he admits he doesn't know what makes a cue play well. (Yeah, he said that early on, but I'm sure someone will dispute it).

Okay, I'm hungry and have a movie on, so I'm out of here.

Scott <=== would buy a Deano before a Varney, if that means anything

 

[Fast Lenny]

Wow! Better than your Dale Perry OR your Meucci? C'mon - you're messing with us, right?

BTW Manuel - and I'll say this real loud because you missed it the first hundred times we said it - NO ONE IS CRITICIZING THE CUE - IT'S THE MARKETING WE'RE BASHING. get it?

But why bash his marketing?He delivered a good product and the customers are happy,a good hitting cue by all accounts.I agree it was some strange selling tactics but he was new here and seemed alittle computer illiterate,he did get results though and all cues sold.I wonder if i could sell some of my unsellable stuff this way,lol.

 

[nasc]

Wow! Better than your Dale Perry OR your Meucci? C'mon - you're messing with us, right?

BTW Manuel - and I'll say this real loud because you missed it the first hundred times we said it - NO ONE IS CRITICIZING THE CUE - IT'S THE MARKETING WE'RE BASHING. get it?

Perry or Meucci. Sure sound like bashing to me.
Glen

 

[manwon]

Put up the same thousand and I will let you pick any cue in my booth. Surely Craig's cues are better than any chinese cue made. I will be at Valley Forge with $1000 ready to play. I will even play with the $59 Sterling sneaky pete if that's the one you choose. I have no doubt that Craig can make a better cue than I can, I am not a cuemaker and own no equipment. However I do know that there are "sneaky petes" that are easily "worth" more than $200, do you disagree with that?

I responded first simply to Craig's words not to his experience or lack thereof.

First, how can you or ANYONE say that the people who bought Dean's cues are "newbies" or that they are inexperienced buyers? The truth is that very few newbies would shell out $300 bucks based on Dean's sales pitch on this board. Especially in the face of the response from the "established" crowd.

You jumped me for jumping on Craig's experience level and yet you make such a statement as to assume that all or most of Dean's customers are inexprienced "newbies" when in fact this has been shown to not be the case.

And Craig didn't just "question" he "labeled" the buyers as suckers, which by extension makes the seller a scammer. If that is right in the face of such positive reviews then I guess I really am clueless.

John a short time ago you accused me of back peddling, well John these were your words : And how long have you been making cues? I bet I have worked on more cues than you have. But now you say the following: I have no doubt that Craig can make a better cue than I can, I am not a cue maker and own no equipment.

John, you have lost touch, you do not even know what you are saying any longer, now who is showing their butt here!!!!!!!

 

[JB Cases]

I'm relieved cooler heads are prevailing and the stress level is subsiding.

With the talk of hitting nerves, dentists, Craig drilling John, China,etc., I want to ask John a direct question:

Are you a communist?

1) yes
2) no

If the answer is NO are you concerned that communists are benefiting as a result of your talent and success?

Thanks in advance, Adam


p.s. regardless of the answer I'll continue to respect John for his energy, tenacity,etc., and would look forward sharing bread and beer

Come on man. That's like me asking you if you are a democrat, republican, libertarian, protestant, jewish, nazi, whatever.

People benefit from my labor. What I do provides money which enables people to continue to live.

I am proud that I can produce something where I can see the direct result of my labor is enriching other lives.

Why do people bring this up all the time?

Are all Americans individually responsible for the repressive actions of the US Goverment?

Asking me if I care about the communist government of China is the same as me asking you if you feel like a murderer for lives of the innocent Iraqi and Afghan civilians killed by American soldiers.

What this has to do with whether a person who buys a cue and posts a positive review of the purchase is a sucker or not?

You see, I stay on topic.

People who can't address the actual issue don't. They try and make everything personal.

The issue at hand is this.

A forum member posted a postive review of their Dean cue. Then another forum member denigrated that person's viewpoint and characterized them as a sucker in a backhanded way.

This very same criticizing member went on a rampage, for lack of a better term, denouncing what he calls cue pimps. He did this not because he himself was a victim of said "pimping" (how that even fits I don't know) but because he was indignant at the "immorality" of it.

And yet when this member, Craig, posts a very rude and blatant knock on someone's product and their customers with absolutely no experience with the product in question then it's all good?

And it's NOT okay if I find this to be a little hypocritical?

I could care less if Dean's cue is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think the guy has a ton of balls to come on here and hype a cue to the stars the way he did. Talk about a tough crowd.

And he probably deserved the criticism BEFORE anyone actually received a cue. But NOW when people are getting their cues and being positive about them there is NO NEED to continue to be negative towards the cues themselves or the method of sales. Especially not the way that Craig did it.

If that viewpoint is offensive to you then so be it. Sometimes being abrasive is what is needed. Try making a cue without sandpaper.

 

[masonh]

"Hi I got my Devo cue yesterday...it hits like the walnuts...the only problem, is that every time I shoot, the cue ball goes backwards due to the vicious immense backspin imparted to the cue ball when I stroke...you see I'm pretty short, and can only shoot with low english...try it yourself, you can't go wrong...(I just ignored that tag that said made in America with wood imported from China, and you can too)...thanks Devo, it's a pretty darn nice cue...."


now that was funny.

i think people are saying they are newbies b/c most besides Nasc are somewhat new to the forum from what i have seen.i may have missed a review or two,but it seems that everyone reviewing them has been here 2-6 months.i think Craig and others may have been trying to say most of the $300 and up customsneakies have ringwork,nice shafts and a gloss finish.those things cost extra and take extra time.as far as Titlist not being valuable,just go try to buy some.the market sets the price and that is the price.it is pretty simple.

i really don't see anyone bashing the cues here,i just feel the marketing has been targeted by some and some of the scripted sounding reviews from new members are really unsubstantiated.i see that the the one guy on here that i actually knew who reviewed the cue is selling his.

i am not bashing the cue in anyway,it may truly be like a SW or Searing in playability.when Craig reviews it and says it is the Hungarian nuts,then i will be a believer.

one thing i can say for sure that whether the Deano plays great or not,these threads about it are usually worth the price of admission.

 

[JB Cases]

okay, I can go ...

I agree as well and think you should.

 

[manwon]

Come on man. That's like me asking you if you are a democrat, republican, libertarian, protestant, jewish, nazi, whatever.

People benefit from my labor. What I do provides money which enables people to continue to live.

I am proud that I can produce something where I can see the direct result of my labor is enriching other lives.

Why do people bring this up all the time?

Are all Americans individually responsible for the repressive actions of the US Goverment?

Asking me if I care about the communist government of China is the same as me asking you if you feel like a murderer for lives of the innocent Iraqi and Afghan civilians killed by American soldiers.

What this has to do with whether a person who buys a cue and posts a positive review of the purchase is a sucker or not?

You see, I stay on topic.

People who can't address the actual issue don't. They try and make everything personal.

The issue at hand is this.

A forum member posted a postive review of their Dean cue. Then another forum member denigrated that person's viewpoint and characterized them as a sucker in a backhanded way.

This very same criticizing member went on a rampage, for lack of a better term, denouncing what he calls cue pimps. He did this not because he himself was a victim of said "pimping" (how that even fits I don't know) but because he was indignant at the "immorality" of it.

And yet when this member, Craig, posts a very rude and blatant knock on someone's product and their customers with absolutely no experience with the product in question then it's all good?

And it's NOT okay if I find this to be a little hypocritical?

I could care less if Dean's cue is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think the guy has a ton of balls to come on here and hype a cue to the stars the way he did. Talk about a tough crowd.

And he probably deserved the criticism BEFORE anyone actually received a cue. But NOW when people are getting their cues and being positive about them there is NO NEED to continue to be negative towards the cues themselves or the method of sales. Especially not the way that Craig did it.

If that viewpoint is offensive to you then so be it. Sometimes being abrasive is what is needed. Try making a cue without sandpaper.

John answer the question, it was a simple Yes or No!!!!!!!!!!!!

John answer the question, it was a simple Yes or No!!!!!!!!!

 

[ericdraven]

its crack i tell ya!!! lol .well if shatner will not be enough then we need more ........

and if that wont work this will

john do not sweat it i agree with you . the folks runnyscoot , apron h , are trolls who bash other cuemakers because they are friends and tag team ,manwin owns a cueshop and he is cahoots with em . i would not worry bout it but it is funny . my wife just looked at the thread and said " are these grown men " ???? ROFLMAO even thou she likes my pics she said i was agging it on lol but it is fun as hell here . wait i need a ....

roflmao
oh no i got flamed but i got my flamebuster 2000 on

 

[JB Cases]

John a short time ago you accused me of back peddling, well John these were your words : And how long have you been making cues? I bet I have worked on more cues than you have. But now you say the following: I have no doubt that Craig can make a better cue than I can, I am not a cue maker and own no equipment.

John, you have lost touch, you do not even know what you are saying any longer, now who is showing their butt here!!!!!!!

So funny. Dude if I wanted to "make" a cue the I have access to the everything I need to do so. But even if I did then you would say it's no good because it was made in China. Or because it was made on Chinese equipment, or some other excuse. I don't need to prove to you that I can "make" a cue to know that you are wrong in your statement that no sneaky pete is worth more than $200.

I gave away my repair lathes years ago. You obviously have some sort of a repair shop or maybe even a full fledged shop.

So my comment was referring to Scott's "bet" about a cue you have made and one I have made. I don't currently make cues and have no plans to start ever. There are enough good cuemakers who excel at their craft to satisfy my needs.

What Scott was trying to say is that I can't personally build a cue that I can beat you with. He is right. Not without disrupting the factory to prove a point that doesn't need proving. I could however build a cue if I chose to. Whether I could beat you or not is unknown, but I like my chances. I would certainly bet $1000 on it.

Which is WHY I offered to use a Chinese pool cue. Any that we have for sale at the booth. Since you always like to put Chinese pool cues down then it should be no contest that you with your "superior" cue should easily beat me with my "inferior" one. No matter how much talent I have I will be severely handicapped by the Chinese cue while your talent will be greatly enhanced by the Craigomatic.

Will you let your friend bet $1000 on this?

 

[ericdraven]

So funny. Dude if I wanted to "make" a cue the I have access to the everything I need to do so. But even if I did then you would say it's no good because it was made in China. Or because it was made on Chinese equipment, or some other excuse. I don't need to prove to you that I can "make" a cue to know that you are wrong in your statement that no sneaky pete is worth more than $200.

I gave away my repair lathes years ago. You obviously have some sort of a repair shop or maybe even a full fledged shop.

So my comment was referring to Scott's "bet" about a cue you have made and one I have made. I don't currently make cues and have no plans to start ever. There are enough good cuemakers who excel at their craft to satisfy my needs.

What Scott was trying to say is that I can't personally build a cue that I can beat you with. He is right. Not without disrupting the factory to prove a point that doesn't need proving. I could however build a cue if I chose to. Whether I could beat you or not is unknown, but I like my chances. I would certainly bet $1000 on it.

Which is WHY I offered to use a Chinese pool cue. Any that we have for sale at the booth. Since you always like to put Chinese pool cues down then it should be no contest that you with your "superior" cue should easily beat me with my "inferior" one. No matter how much talent I have I will be severely handicapped by the Chinese cue while your talent will be greatly enhanced by the Craigomatic.

Will you let your friend bet $1000 on this?

ok now it is getting good , and yeah he owns a cue shop . big guess there lol . i wanna watch this billiard game . where will it be held ??

 

[JB Cases]

ok now it is getting good , and yeah he owns a cue shop . big guess there lol . i wanna watch this billiard game . where will it be held ??

It will never get played Eric.

In 15 years of doing shows no internet bully who loves to put down my products online has ever shown up at a show to prove their assertions.

People love to toss out all kinds of nonsense but when it comes time to post they are nowhere to be found.

I take that back, they are found exactly where they started - wearing out their keyboard.

(and yes I know, y'all are gonna bring up Jimbo - that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, nor the quality of my products)

 

[runscott]

It will never get played Eric.

In 15 years of doing shows no internet bully who loves to put down my products online has ever shown up at a show to prove their assertions.

People love to toss out all kinds of nonsense but when it comes time to post they are nowhere to be found.

I take that back, they are found exactly where they started - wearing out their keyboard.

(and yes I know, y'all are gonna bring up Jimbo - that had nothing to do with the topic at hand, nor the quality of my products)

Do you realize how incredibly stupid it sounds to make the claim that unless someone shows up at a location where YOU will be, that they are tossing nonsense?

How about this instead - show up at Craig's place in Tacoma and let's have a game. If you don't, then you're full of hot air...see how stupid that sounds?

Well, at least you now have a new buddy, EricdRaven, to provide a shoulder to cry on.

Have fun boys. John, I promise - this is my last response to anything you ever post, here or on any other forum. But, I am only judging your ridiculous internet self, not J.B. the human - If I ever meet that person, I'll certainly buy him a beer or two.

 

[manwon]

its crack i tell ya!!! lol .well if shatner will not be enough then we need more ........

and if that wont work this will

john do not sweat it i agree with you . the folks runnyscoot , apron h , are trolls who bash other cuemakers because they are friends and tag team ,manwin owns a cueshop and he is cahoots with em . i would not worry bout it but it is funny . my wife just looked at the thread and said " are these grown men " ???? ROFLMAO even thou she likes my pics she said i was agging it on lol but it is fun as hell here . wait i need a ....

roflmao
oh no i got flamed but i got my flamebuster 2000 on

What is like to be (comfortably Dumb )

 

[ribdoner]

Come on man. That's like me asking you if you are a democrat, republican, libertarian, protestant, jewish, nazi, whatever.

I have no problem telling you directly that I've supported both democratic and republican parties. My support was predicated on which better served my special interests. How bout you?

People benefit from my labor. What I do provides money which enables people to continue to live.

AND?????????????

I am proud that I can produce something where I can see the direct result of my labor is enriching other lives.

AND?????????????????

Why do people bring this up all the time?

I can't recall anyone else asking you if you were a communist.

Are all Americans individually responsible for the repressive actions of the US Goverment?

The vast majority, if not ALL, mourn the slaughter of innocent lives.

Asking me if I care about the communist government of China is the same as me asking you if you feel like a murderer for lives of the innocent Iraqi and Afghan civilians killed by American soldiers.

See above


What this has to do with whether a person who buys a cue and posts a positive review of the purchase is a sucker or not?

Your right, my question is off topic. How many threads have you taken liberties with for your interests?


You see, I stay on topic.

Tonight you have


People who can't address the actual issue don't. They try and make everything personal.

I have nothing to add or detract from the "issue." I havn't had the opportunity to play with the cue in question. I've known DEAN for many years and consider him a friend. When I play with the cue I may make my opinion public. My question with regards to whether your a communist has nothing to do with the cue or this thread.


The issue at hand is this.

A forum member posted a postive review of their Dean cue. Then another forum member denigrated that person's viewpoint and characterized them as a sucker in a backhanded way.

This very same criticizing member went on a rampage, for lack of a better term, denouncing what he calls cue pimps. He did this not because he himself was a victim of said "pimping" (how that even fits I don't know) but because he was indignant at the "immorality" of it.

And yet when this member, Craig, posts a very rude and blatant knock on someone's product and their customers with absolutely no experience with the product in question then it's all good?

And it's NOT okay if I find this to be a little hypocritical?

I could care less if Dean's cue is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think the guy has a ton of balls to come on here and hype a cue to the stars the way he did. Talk about a tough crowd.

And he probably deserved the criticism BEFORE anyone actually received a cue. But NOW when people are getting their cues and being positive about them there is NO NEED to continue to be negative towards the cues themselves or the method of sales. Especially not the way that Craig did it.

If that viewpoint is offensive to you then so be it. Sometimes being abrasive is what is needed. Try making a cue without sandpaper.

John,

I'm not questioning or debating anything you posed from "The issue at hand is this" on. You and Craig made your points. I'm just curious if your a communist. No biggie, the majority of my known family lived in the Ukraine under the communists.