Another Farorate thread
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Earlier I thought you said you beat the 9 ball ghost occassionally? How in the world you gonna beat the 10 ball ghost? Maybe a race to 2. Post a race to 9 vs 9 ball ghost. See how that goes.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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All right, I just foot in mouthed it. So much negativity around here. I will post a video soon enough.
smiling_Hans
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Not sure if it was talked about but is it correct to say not all Fargo rating is the same?
A 600 can beat up his locals where a 600!from another room is getting beat by higher players.
It feels like college football top 25. Strength of schedule or in this case opponent.
A 600 can beat up his locals where a 600!from another room is getting beat by higher players.
It feels like college football top 25. Strength of schedule or in this case opponent.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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Here is the story of my pool life in a nutshell. Just shows cause you’re break and run a lot doesn’t mean you win. If you don’t win you, Fargorate isn’t going up. Broke and ran five times. I made 2 8 on the breaks and still only won one out of nine matches.
In our league, we usually play people around our level so therefore I probably broke and ran at a higher percentage than most of the people I played. I think I was a 6 then. I broke less for sure. Based off the points. I won 1 match and got to the hill only twice. But at the end of the day if it was translated to Fargorate they won a lot more games and will be rated higher and have lower runout percentages. That’s just how it goes. Technically, my opponents won approximately double the games I won. they’d be rated 100 points higher than me with lower runout percentages off our games alone. Maybe had three of them break and run a table on me. If that.
It’s a really small sample size but its very possible to B&R a lot and lose. it just means you can make a lot of balls when you feel like it.
In our league, we usually play people around our level so therefore I probably broke and ran at a higher percentage than most of the people I played. I think I was a 6 then. I broke less for sure. Based off the points. I won 1 match and got to the hill only twice. But at the end of the day if it was translated to Fargorate they won a lot more games and will be rated higher and have lower runout percentages. That’s just how it goes. Technically, my opponents won approximately double the games I won. they’d be rated 100 points higher than me with lower runout percentages off our games alone. Maybe had three of them break and run a table on me. If that.
It’s a really small sample size but its very possible to B&R a lot and lose. it just means you can make a lot of balls when you feel like it.
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I'm a low 500s fargo, if I had to guess I'd say my break and run percentage is around 3 or 4% if that. My get out of line percentage is pretty sporty though.
There's an old saying that you can't be too rich or too thin. I'll add to that that your fargo rate can't be too low.
Mid-400’s:
BnR at 1-2% on a Diamond bar box, <1% on my home table (8’ Olhausen). Out first time at the table about 5% on a bar box, maybe a bit more against a “stronger” opponent. (A Fargo 500 is more likely to break, run 6 balls clearing most of the clutter, and then get hooked than a Fargo 350 who likely misses the second shot and ties up 2 other balls).
So 100 point difference is 2-1 in games. If a 600 plays all 500s he should win 66% of games. If a 600 plays all 700s, he should win 34% of games.
I'd say it is pretty much spot on. I have a bunch of games vs three 740s and my win percentage is 30-31%. I am a bit over 600. I may beat the 500s by more than 66% but doubtful it is much more than 70%.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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I got a break and run on there. Nowhere in this thread have I said, I’m pro or something like that. I just break and run a lot more than others with the same listed rate. I can’t help it. That’s all I said. My new listed rate 472! I did really bad 2 weeks ago. Bah! Anybody wants to play me based off fargorates mild bracket though. I’m down.Boys, let your cue do the talking
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Willowbrook Wolfy
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Actually, Mike gave almost the exact calculation away in one thread not too long ago. It’s the same but he took it a step further, and it just made more sense. He kind of summed it up. Those brackets listed under your Fargorate is just a quick reference point for you as a player to see how you’ve fared against each 100. And they can be deceiving. the two to one that you said is correct. But like on mine I’ve won about 8-2 against 300’s and 6-4 or 7-4 against 400’sand won more games against 500’s then lost. But my rate is still under 500 because I haven’t fared well against 600 to 700s. You’d think, being more wins and losses against one of the tiers you’d be at least in that tier, but that’s not always true.
Sorry I had to edit. After my piss poor performance a couple weeks ago I now have more losses against 500’s than wins. Maybe that guy that was a 600 on the money I’ve played a lot went down into the 500’s and that’s what did it. Either way I was more wins than losses against 500’s and around 2-1 against 400’s and still a 4something before that.(like 6 months ago)
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You know we can’t beat the ghost. Most important thing is to be able to break and run a rack on rare occasions.Boys, let your cue do the talking
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We will see how long this takes. Especially since you were saying a 500 player can beat the ghost occasionally. I’ll be patient and hang around till you post that video.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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All right Kentucky that’s fine. My tables blocked off by insulation right now but it sure to be in the next week for you. I’m not even mad about it. I just get frustrated because it really is my average whether you believe it or not and when I tell the truth and get called out on it, it just bothers me. I mean that would bother anybody dude. I wasn’t trying to start a freaking war with you. And hey. My kids’ grandparents live in Kentucky. Maybe we can play sometime. I don’t know a friendly game for $100 a set or something. I’ll be out there this summer sometime. The longer the better I’ll play you for six hours plus if you want. Or if you’re really a 700 and good, I’ll pay you for six hours. Either way, sometimes you gotta let yourselves talk on the table.
Look I’m not trying to knock your game but what you’re saying just isn’t realistic. My son plays real close to 600 speed I know how often he breaks and runs
I know all to well how hard is is to beat the 9 ball ghost on a 9 ft Diamond. I used to struggle to beat it and had to play good to do. About a year ago I started working on my break and recently I’ve been working on some other stuff. I’ve known for years what my biggest problem area was I just didn’t have the time or desire to fix it. One day I finally said I’m going to fix it. The result is I don’t always beat the ghost but I win a lot of sets that I used to would have lost. I think I have won 9 of the last 13 sets I’ve played against the ghost. I’m not a 700 player and at my age probably never will be. I play because I like to play and I work to be a better player but reality is I’m only as good as I am. I’m ok with that. I play for fun because I know I’m never winning any major tournaments but I can win once in a while on the local level. I lost to zelinski at the derby and although the score was 9-4 I had no shot at winning the set. The only question was how many games I could win the outcome was never in doubt.
Willowbrook Wolfy
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Ok well I don’t have a ghost race yet but tried today just for you in league. Here’s my stats this session. Tomorrow when today’s scores are entered I’ll have 2 break and runs cause that’s what I just put up in 9 ball. On 7 breaks. Just for you man. And should’ve had a 3rd had I not missed a long railer on a 1 ball.
I would be able to take a picture, but we no longer have score sheets. It’s all computerized, so I have no way to pull it up all I can do is take a picture like this once the new scores are posted. I’m actually one of the few players that really do play better when I’m pissed off, so btw thank you very much man!Edit: probably would’ve had a third cause that table was an easy one.
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maybe the 5 ball ghost
Just did some quick calculations. I'm the guy that distributes the patches for my APA 8-ball Division, so I get the lists of everyone who had break and runs. We had 13 teams, approximately 100 players last session, with (6) SL7's, and (13) SL6's for better players. (Out of those SL7's, only one is SL8 in 9-ball, none of them SL9.) Pretty sure only a handful of them will be Fargo 500+, but there are a few at least. (I don't subscribe to Fargo, so I'm going off recollections of tournaments these folks have played in that lists their Fargo ratings. Hardly scientific.) It was a 15 week session.
We had 5 Break and Runs, total. Another 5 or 6 Rack and Runs (player breaks dry, opponent runs the table, all 8 of his suit, with all the other balls still on the table)
Obviously, the better players will be more likely to be getting any Break and Runs. But that's a lot of pool with very few Break and Runs. Again, this division plays in a room with 9' Diamonds, so that factors into all this.
Of course, this is APA, as well, so it's not the strongest players around, tho we have some.
***edit*** going over the rosters this session, I see that the strongest player I know, Fargo 644, will be playing 8-ball this session with us this session, so we likely should see a few more this session. At least it will be interesting to compare.
We had 5 Break and Runs, total. Another 5 or 6 Rack and Runs (player breaks dry, opponent runs the table, all 8 of his suit, with all the other balls still on the table)
Obviously, the better players will be more likely to be getting any Break and Runs. But that's a lot of pool with very few Break and Runs. Again, this division plays in a room with 9' Diamonds, so that factors into all this.
Of course, this is APA, as well, so it's not the strongest players around, tho we have some.
***edit*** going over the rosters this session, I see that the strongest player I know, Fargo 644, will be playing 8-ball this session with us this session, so we likely should see a few more this session. At least it will be interesting to compare.
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Willowbrook Wolfy
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Yeah, the one problem with the break and run stats for APA that in APA 8 ball you have to take what you make making it just a bit more difficult to run out than playing other 8 ball leagues. The slop counting isn’t much of a factor. That sounds like a great league playing on 9 foot diamonds though.