Another smoking thread...

[MT Pockets]

smoking ban

I have not had the time to read all of this thread , but being from a state that is going smoke free in 2009 I think that it is a bunch of bull sh$$t. I am not a smoker and never will be, I too like to go home with out the smell of smoke, but this whole thing about taxing smokers is an unfair tax. Is this not how the revaluation got started with the Boston Tea party unfair taxation with out representation. I for one am getting tired of the government blackmailing us and telling us that unless you comply we will cut off federal aid. The price of cigarettes are getting so out of range along with the price of gas which is controlled by our government where is it going to end. By the way has anyone of you see the report that the smoking ban has increased the fatalities on our Hi-ways because people are driving farther distances to go to a bar that they can smoke in. Just a thought to ponder.

 

[Big Perm]

Jesus, another smoking thread...

To the original poster, some pool players smoke, some don't....I don't think that the majority do......some do, some don't....

OK, on the the banning/govt/hyposcrisy discussion....all this crap is smoke and mirrors....people want to ban smoking and tax smoking and bill smokers with higher health costs and paint them as terrorists....but in the same breath, they are happy to let fat people slide.....or those that have high stress jobs....or what about those that don't even offer anything positive to society, like those that have 5 kids but don't have the monetary nor intellectual capacity to provide for 1....

Hey, you wanna ban smoking in public, be my guest....while you are at it, ban fat people.....and also ban unfit mothers....and deadbeat dads....and the welfare poplulation....and how about people that drink alcohol....or how about those that spend too much time in the sun....or....

Gawd, these posts are such a beating....all this has to do with peoples right to enjoy life and how far that reaches before you infringe on the happiness of those that don't see things as you do....for the record, I haven't had a cig or dip of snuff for almost a year I'm glad I quit, but the more the govt regulates, the more people see law as an opportunity to skate between the lines....people no longer see being guilty as doing something wrong or illegal - guilty is no longer about truth....ie, if they didn't prove you did wrong in a court of law, well then whatever you did was OK, even if you killed someone.....at this point, I'm just ranting...

Bottom line, non-smokers get all wholier than thou, and forget what banning smoking can lead to next....what if alcohol is next....or sex before marriage....or free speach....or eating what you want.....what if cheeseburgers are banned.....then I'm done for

 

[ShootingArts]

there you have it

....all this has to do with peoples right to enjoy life and how far that reaches before you infringe on the happiness of those that don't see things as you do....

There you have it in a nutshell. One person's rights should not infringe on the rights of another. Very few in this thread or any of the others have issues with smokers smoking, they just object to being the ones suffering because of the smoker's choices. Cigarette smoke is invasive. Figure out a way to keep it to the smoker and I really don't care if they choose to kill themselves, with a very few exceptions. However, I don't see that smokers have the right to make everyone around them miserable and infringe on their freedoms.

When I'm playing pool and an inconsiderate moron puts his stick on my table I move it. When he puts his coat or drink on my table I move that. When he puts his fat ass on my table I make it plain that isn't acceptable either. However when he puts his smoke all over my table and in my eyes and lungs I have no option but to tolerate that or quit playing pool. Smokers in general are bad, league players who smoke are ridiculous. They light a cigarette and let it burn down maybe taking a drag or two. As soon as it burns down they light another, or sometimes have multiple cigarettes lit at once. When league play starts in a pool room I am late for the door!

I have yet to see any legitimate reason given why smokers should be a privileged class and have greater rights and freedoms than anyone else in the country. Why should their "pursuit of happiness" be of greater importance than other peoples "pursuit of happiness"?

Hu

 

[Russ Chewning]

but this whole thing about taxing smokers is an unfair tax. Is this not how the revaluation got started with the Boston Tea party unfair taxation with out representation.

How do you feel that smokers are not being represented? They can vote "pro-smoking" candidates into office just like people like me can vote ant-smoking candidates in. In case you were not aware, smokers comprise less than 25% of the populace. They do not have enough voting power. Smokers need to get out on the street, meet the common man, and convince that common man why the smoker should be allowed to smoke around non-smokers, thereby increasing the size of the pro-smoking voter bloc.

Good luck with that.

This is what liberalism has done to America. Somehow people think that every small minority group (like smokers) should have an EQUAL voice in government.

That just ain't so, brudda man.

If your view is unpopular, (i.e. "Smokers should be allowed to smoke in any public business as long as the owner allows it") then the rest of the population will vote it down, and there is not too damn much you can do about it.

I know it sucks for the minority, but that's just the way things are. Imagine how insane our society would be if a small minority practiced voodoo and thought they should be allowed to slaughter chickens in their apartment and spread the blood all over the walls. Imagine if just because that cult thought that men should be allowed to marry 12 year old girls, that we decided to "respect their religion" and let them do it.

Imagine any number of groups of people who are in the vast minority of the population, but figured they have a right to behave in a certain way the rest of the population strongly disagreed with, and if we "respected their opinion", and allowed them to behave however they wanted.

Jesus F***ing Christ. All we ask is for smokers to go out on a patio and smoke. We are NOT ASKING for them to quit smoking. We ALL want to enjoy the same public businesses, and selfish-ass smokers feel ENTITLED, even though THEY are the ones addicted to a drug.

Russ

 

[av84fun]

There you have it in a nutshell. One person's rights should not infringe on the rights of another. Very few in this thread or any of the others have issues with smokers smoking, they just object to being the ones suffering because of the smoker's choices. Cigarette smoke is invasive. Figure out a way to keep it to the smoker and I really don't care if they choose to kill themselves, with a very few exceptions. However, I don't see that smokers have the right to make everyone around them miserable and infringe on their freedoms.

When I'm playing pool and an inconsiderate moron puts his stick on my table I move it. When he puts his coat or drink on my table I move that. When he puts his fat ass on my table I make it plain that isn't acceptable either. However when he puts his smoke all over my table and in my eyes and lungs I have no option but to tolerate that or quit playing pool. Smokers in general are bad, league players who smoke are ridiculous. They light a cigarette and let it burn down maybe taking a drag or two. As soon as it burns down they light another, or sometimes have multiple cigarettes lit at once. When league play starts in a pool room I am late for the door!

I have yet to see any legitimate reason given why smokers should be a privileged class and have greater rights and freedoms than anyone else in the country. Why should their "pursuit of happiness" be of greater importance than other peoples "pursuit of happiness"?

Hu

TAP...TAP....

 

[lodini]

Jesus F***ing Christ. All we ask is for smokers to go out on a patio and smoke. We are NOT ASKING for them to quit smoking. We ALL want to enjoy the same public businesses, and selfish-ass smokers feel ENTITLED, even though THEY are the ones addicted to a drug.

Russ

But Russ, all that clean air outside might interfere with the smoke inhalation and then each smoker would only be smoking one cigarette instead of the 40 others lit up at the same time inside. That's so inefficient!

 

[TXsouthpaw]

Bottom line, non-smokers get all wholier than thou, and forget what banning smoking can lead to next....what if alcohol is next....or sex before marriage....or free speach....or eating what you want.....what if cheeseburgers are banned.....then I'm done for

Amen to that

People complain about secondhand smoke but sit behind a semi-truck in traffic for an hour a day. Smoking doesnt produce smoggy cities cars do. fix those first, and other carcinogens then u can tell me that my smoke is killing u

 

[cuekev]

A smokey pool hall god forbid.

We live in a society of whiney nits. U dont like it take up another sport. U either take pool as it is or leave it.

People smoke on the golf course too that doesnt seem to hurt golf. But of course if pool isnt doing well it must be the smoking then.

It is easy not to whine when you are the minority making it unpleasant and unhealthy for the majority. Addicts don't care and don't realize their effect on others. I don't think they realize how rude their actions really are.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

It is easy not to whine when you are the minority making it unpleasant and unhealthy for the majority. Addicts don't care and don't realize their effect on others. I don't think they realize how rude their actions really are.

Its rude to smoke in a pool hall? whats next? its rude to drink in a pool hall. Pool halls are historically smokey places. Deal with it.

 

[cuekev]

Its rude to smoke in a pool hall? whats next? its rude to drink in a pool hall. Pool halls are historically smokey places. Deal with it.

TXsouthpaw,

Using history as an excuse is a very poor argument. We live in a democracy and I will have to deal with it until the majority of us change the laws and then you will have to deal with it.

 

[sixpack]

How do you feel that smokers are not being represented? They can vote "pro-smoking" candidates into office just like people like me can vote ant-smoking candidates in. In case you were not aware, smokers comprise less than 25% of the populace. They do not have enough voting power. Smokers need to get out on the street, meet the common man, and convince that common man why the smoker should be allowed to smoke around non-smokers, thereby increasing the size of the pro-smoking voter bloc.

Good luck with that.

This is what liberalism has done to America. Somehow people think that every small minority group (like smokers) should have an EQUAL voice in government.

That just ain't so, brudda man.

If your view is unpopular, (i.e. "Smokers should be allowed to smoke in any public business as long as the owner allows it") then the rest of the population will vote it down, and there is not too damn much you can do about it.

I know it sucks for the minority, but that's just the way things are. Imagine how insane our society would be if a small minority practiced voodoo and thought they should be allowed to slaughter chickens in their apartment and spread the blood all over the walls. Imagine if just because that cult thought that men should be allowed to marry 12 year old girls, that we decided to "respect their religion" and let them do it.

Imagine any number of groups of people who are in the vast minority of the population, but figured they have a right to behave in a certain way the rest of the population strongly disagreed with, and if we "respected their opinion", and allowed them to behave however they wanted.

Jesus F***ing Christ. All we ask is for smokers to go out on a patio and smoke. We are NOT ASKING for them to quit smoking. We ALL want to enjoy the same public businesses, and selfish-ass smokers feel ENTITLED, even though THEY are the ones addicted to a drug.

Russ

Okay, I understand all that, but the problem is that in this very specific instance, the non-smokers in pool halls and bars were the extreme minority. So in actuality if the people REALLY affected by the smoking ban in poolhalls and bars would have voted, the result would have been completely different. So yeah, it would have sucked for the minority. i.e. the non-smokers.

The problem was that a bunch of namby-pamby liberals with nose problems stuck their noses where they didn't belong. If you believe in majority rules, which it seems you do from your post, then the will of the majority WAS DEFINITELY NOT carried forth.

p.s. From your stand on this and other issues I would have pegged you as a 'liberal.'

~rc

 

[Da Poet]

Because people like you would have us completely stop competing at a game if there was no non-smoking pool hall within a 100 miles.

Over what? Someone else's drug addiction.

Yeah, that seems fair, doesn't it?

If we followed that rule, then a drug addiction of yours, would have a negative impact on my life that I have no choice over. If I go to the pool hall, I have to deal with the negative consequences of breathing your filth, and getting covered in it.

If I don't then I suffer the negative consqeunces of not being able to compete at a game I love.

Does that seem fair, when all someone is doing is asking you to take it outside.

I ALREADY subsidize your bad decisions by paying more for health insurance than I should, you expect me to QUIT my hobby to accomodate you as well???????????

Selfish, selfish, SELFISH smoker.

Russ

Round two.

Initially, I put up with you.

But you're all yap and no bite. I've seen it before.

Seems like you have a personal problem with me.

Are you willing to back up?

$1000 you and me at DCC out of pocket.

Oh I'm sorry. Are you going ask for weight?

I'm sorry, did I insult you?

 

[Russ Chewning]

Round two.

Initially, I put up with you.

But you're all yap and no bite. I've seen it before.

Seems like you have a personal problem with me.

Are you willing to back up?

$1000 you and me at DCC out of pocket.

Oh I'm sorry. Are you going ask for weight?

I'm sorry, did I insult you?

Of COURSE I am gonna ask for weight!! You are emotionally invested in this match, I am not. As it is, I REALLY am awful!! Ask anyone who played me at DCC. Ask Smorgass Bored. Even HE beat me for money!!

I'll gamble, but I an't giving it away.

Russ

 

[Pii]

I have not had the time to read all of this thread , but being from a state that is going smoke free in 2009 I think that it is a bunch of bull sh$$t. I am not a smoker and never will be, I too like to go home with out the smell of smoke, but this whole thing about taxing smokers is an unfair tax. Is this not how the revaluation got started with the Boston Tea party unfair taxation with out representation. I for one am getting tired of the government blackmailing us and telling us that unless you comply we will cut off federal aid. The price of cigarettes are getting so out of range along with the price of gas which is controlled by our government where is it going to end. By the way has anyone of you see the report that the smoking ban has increased the fatalities on our Hi-ways because people are driving farther distances to go to a bar that they can smoke in. Just a thought to ponder.

1. You have representation
2. Why do you care if cigs are taxed and their price if you don't smoke?
3. The government does not control the price of gas. They may do F'ed upi s**t around the world that causes it to go up but it is the oil company that controls the price here in the US.
4. Drunks are drunks they will drive regardless blaming it on smoking bans is silly

 

[Pii]

There you have it in a nutshell. One person's rights should not infringe on the rights of another. Very few in this thread or any of the others have issues with smokers smoking, they just object to being the ones suffering because of the smoker's choices. Cigarette smoke is invasive. Figure out a way to keep it to the smoker and I really don't care if they choose to kill themselves, with a very few exceptions. However, I don't see that smokers have the right to make everyone around them miserable and infringe on their freedoms.

When I'm playing pool and an inconsiderate moron puts his stick on my table I move it. When he puts his coat or drink on my table I move that. When he puts his fat ass on my table I make it plain that isn't acceptable either. However when he puts his smoke all over my table and in my eyes and lungs I have no option but to tolerate that or quit playing pool. Smokers in general are bad, league players who smoke are ridiculous. They light a cigarette and let it burn down maybe taking a drag or two. As soon as it burns down they light another, or sometimes have multiple cigarettes lit at once. When league play starts in a pool room I am late for the door!

I have yet to see any legitimate reason given why smokers should be a privileged class and have greater rights and freedoms than anyone else in the country. Why should their "pursuit of happiness" be of greater importance than other peoples "pursuit of happiness"?

Hu

tap tap tap
excellent post

 

[jasonlaus]

Its rude to smoke in a pool hall? whats next? its rude to drink in a pool hall. Pool halls are historically smokey places. Deal with it.

Are you really this ignorant?

 

[o2bacs]

Say what you will about quiters but my brother and I both quit smoking just over a week ago. For me it has been a good 16-17 years that I have either dipped, chewed, or smoked. It has been tough but we're stayin strong. I hope I never have any more nicotine for the rest of my life.

 

[TX Poolnut]

Say what you will about quiters but my brother and I both quit smoking just over a week ago. For me it has been a good 16-17 years that I have either dipped, chewed, or smoked. It has been tough but we're stayin strong. I hope I never have any more nicotine for the rest of my life.

Hats off to you sir. Best of luck.

 

[TXsouthpaw]

Are you really this ignorant?

its ignorant to smoke in a pool hall? Its not like im smoking on cross country flight or an operating room. Its a pool hall for gods sake.

Im watching an old pool match between efren and bustamante right now and busty is going through like a pack right there at the table. This wasnt that long ago. But im ignorant for enjoying my right to smoke a cigarette while im at the table.

 

[jasonlaus]

its ignorant to smoke in a pool hall? Its not like im smoking on cross country flight or an operating room. Its a pool hall for gods sake.

Im watching an old pool match between efren and bustamante right now and busty is going through like a pack right there at the table. This wasnt that long ago. But im ignorant for enjoying my right to smoke a cigarette while im at the table.

You mean enjoying your "right" to make ME smoke. Very inconsiderant sir.