Any ideas on something that's been bugging me?

CeaseLess

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I recently bought a tiger pro shaft. The people at tiger always go above and beyond. The shaft plays and feels great. But I play a lot of bank pool and I usually bank with english to spin the object ball off the rail, and for some reason I wasn't able to get much spin transfer to the object ball off the rail with my tiger. I figured it was the onxy tip that was harder than I'm used to, so I went in and had them put on a ultraskin pro tip, which I've been playing with on a different cue for a while now. Got the shaft back, and still not much spin transfer. Went to the hall today and used my old dufferin cue that also has a ultraskin pro tip and I was spinning banks in like usual, used my old shaft and same thing, picked up a shitty house cue and they were all exactly the same amount of spin off the rail I was used to. Then went back to my tiger and it only gets about a third of the spin I'd expect. It puts a ton of spin on the cue ball and I'm able to throw balls straight into the pockets (straight shots not banks) but for the life of me I haven't been able to come up with a reason why it won't transfer spin to the object ball. Anybody more knowledge then me with a reason or at the least an educated guess? Thanks. -CeaseLess-

Edit: one type of bank I'm specifically talking about that are coming up short are one-pocket-type cut back banks. Because these cut back banks get cut induced spin they usually come up short if you don't over cut the bank. Instead of over cutting it I keep the same contact point on the rail and spin it in with outside. After spending a couple hours at the hall with a couple different shafts I realized that the issue isn't that I'm not getting the spin to transfer, it's that this shaft seems to transfer a LOT more cut induced spin, inside spin that fights against my outside spin, then any shaft I've tried before. I set up a ball 6 inches off the long rail and the cueball, in line, a foot away from that ball but 6 inches to the left. I cut the ball into the long rail to have it bounce in a straight line between the long rails. With my other shafts I did it easily but with my new shaft in question I couldn't do it. I hit the exact same spot on the rail as before but I could see the cut induced spin pulling it off line. Still have no idea why, so if you have a guess, throw it out there.
 
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I recently bought a tiger pro shaft. The people at tiger always go above and beyond. The shaft plays and feels great. But I play a lot of bank pool and I usually bank with english to spin the object ball off the rail, and for some reason I wasn't able to get much spin transfer to the object ball off the rail with my tiger. I figured it was the onxy tip that was harder than I'm used to, so I went in and had them put on a ultraskin pro tip, which I've been playing with on a different cue for a while now. Got the shaft back, and still not much spin transfer. Went to the hall today and used my old dufferin cue that also has a ultraskin pro tip and I was spinning banks in like usual, used my old shaft and same thing, picked up a shitty house cue and they were all exactly the same amount of spin off the rail I was used to. Then went back to my tiger and it only gets about a third of the spin I'd expect. It puts a ton of spin on the cue ball and I'm able to throw balls straight into the pockets (straight shots not banks) but for the life of me I haven't been able to come up with a reason why it won't transfer spin to the object ball. Anybody more knowledge then me with a reason or at the least an educated guess? Thanks. -CeadeLess-
I got the fortis Ld & 2 pros (29" & 30") ftr on the the 29" pro I have a sib pro tip, on the 30" its the stock onyx, which I find make the shaft play pingy & limits feel..
I find toning down how hard I strike & stroking thru the qball helps transfer spin.
I believe the energy transfer limits the spin due to how hard the shaft hits ,hence why I started hitting lighter to allow the english to catch on banks particularly
 
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I got the fortis Ld & 2 pros (29" & 30") ftr on the the 29" pro I have a sib pro tip, on the 30" its the stock onyx, which I find make the shaft play pingy & limits feel..
I find toning down how hard I strike & stroking thru the qball helps transfer spin.
I believe the energy transfer limits the spin due to how hard the shaft hits ,hence why I started hitting lighter to allow the english to catch on banks particularly
I felt the same way about the onyx tip. I was also slowing down my speed to let the English grab, but it's just not how I prefer to shoot.. that's the only thing I could think of too, it's so stiff, I think you might be right.
 
I recently bought a tiger pro shaft. The people at tiger always go above and beyond. The shaft plays and feels great. But I play a lot of bank pool and I usually bank with english to spin the object ball off the rail, and for some reason I wasn't able to get much spin transfer to the object ball off the rail with my tiger. I figured it was the onxy tip that was harder than I'm used to, so I went in and had them put on a ultraskin pro tip, which I've been playing with on a different cue for a while now. Got the shaft back, and still not much spin transfer. Went to the hall today and used my old dufferin cue that also has a ultraskin pro tip and I was spinning banks in like usual, used my old shaft and same thing, picked up a shitty house cue and they were all exactly the same amount of spin off the rail I was used to. Then went back to my tiger and it only gets about a third of the spin I'd expect. It puts a ton of spin on the cue ball and I'm able to throw balls straight into the pockets (straight shots not banks) but for the life of me I haven't been able to come up with a reason why it won't transfer spin to the object ball. Anybody more knowledge then me with a reason or at the least an educated guess? Thanks. -CeadeLess-
Are you consistently doing the same thing?
Banking Short.
Or
Banking Long
 
I'm not sure what the answer is. I'd say try to create a double blind study. Set up a couple of banks and a couple position play shots to a 5 or 10 inch paper circle. Use those round hole re-enforcers stickers to repeat the shots. Then don't tell people what your doing just have enough players shoot the banks and shots and record their feed back. I'm really interested in your results.
 
I felt the same way when I played with a ob1 shaft years ago. I could not transfer spin the banks. I believe I posted about it back then.
 
…Anybody more knowledge than me with a reason or at the least an educated guess? Thanks. -CeadeLess-
Imagine each stroke like a bundle of electromagnetic waves. When the peak from one wave encounters the trough from another, they cancel each other out.

The pattern emerges in the distribution of final object ball position.

We call the mathematical description of this wavelike distribution of object balls a “wave function.”

Describing the behavior of the wave function is the heart of quantum mechanics.
 
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I was going to ask if the tip shape or tip diameter is different than your other cues. If that's the case, then when you have the shaft in its typical spot to apply spin to the CB, where the tiny spot the tip actually touches the CB will be different. You'll be applying different amounts of spin for a hit that "looks" the same to you.

However, you said your straight in spin shots are fine, and only your bank shots are off. So I have nothing.
 
I recently bought a tiger pro shaft. The people at tiger always go above and beyond. The shaft plays and feels great. But I play a lot of bank pool and I usually bank with english to spin the object ball off the rail, and for some reason I wasn't able to get much spin transfer to the object ball off the rail with my tiger. I figured it was the onxy tip that was harder than I'm used to, so I went in and had them put on a ultraskin pro tip, which I've been playing with on a different cue for a while now. Got the shaft back, and still not much spin transfer. Went to the hall today and used my old dufferin cue that also has a ultraskin pro tip and I was spinning banks in like usual, used my old shaft and same thing, picked up a shitty house cue and they were all exactly the same amount of spin off the rail I was used to. Then went back to my tiger and it only gets about a third of the spin I'd expect. It puts a ton of spin on the cue ball and I'm able to throw balls straight into the pockets (straight shots not banks) but for the life of me I haven't been able to come up with a reason why it won't transfer spin to the object ball. Anybody more knowledge then me with a reason or at the least an educated guess? Thanks. -CeadeLess-
Get another shaft….you don’t have to know why something works for you. Most of the equipment I own, I bought used….I already knew they suited me.
 
I'm not sure what the answer is. I'd say try to create a double blind study. Set up a couple of banks and a couple position play shots to a 5 or 10 inch paper circle. Use those round hole re-enforcers stickers to repeat the shots. Then don't tell people what your doing just have enough players shoot the banks and shots and record their feed back. I'm really interested in your results.
The only problem with that is that if they bank differently, without english, by changing their speed or angle then it will probably seem normal to them.
 
I felt the same way when I played with a ob1 shaft years ago. I could not transfer spin the banks. I believe I posted about it back then.
Okay, then we don't know exactly why but can assume it has something to do with how low deflection they are. But I have a carbon fiber shaft that sounds in banks exactly how I expect. Maybe something specific to LD wood shafts?
 
I was going to ask if the tip shape or tip diameter is different than your other cues. If that's the case, then when you have the shaft in its typical spot to apply spin to the CB, where the tiny spot the tip actually touches the CB will be different. You'll be applying different amounts of spin for a hit that "looks" the same to you.

However, you said your straight in spin shots are fine, and only your bank shots are off. So I have nothing.
I have one shaft at 10.8 two at 11.75 and one 12.8 with slightly different tip shapes and all of them spin it on fine except for the tiger. I have to assume it has something to do with how low deflection it is, just not sure why.
 
Get another shaft….you don’t have to know why something works for you. Most of the equipment I own, I bought used….I already knew they suited me.
That's the plan, I just figured I'd ask to see if anyone had the same issue, and it seems people have, just for my own curiosity.
 
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