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iba7467 said:
I'm probably about the only player Angry has ever played even. He is definitely a fun guy. He enjoyed the action and always got something going. Yes, he sold shirts; and yes, I have a good idea why he's there. I could care less.

Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living. I don't see anyone picketing the liqour stores or tobacco combanies.

13,470 people lost there lives due to drunk driving last year. 85,000 total alcohol related deaths.

435,000 tobacco deaths.

All other illicit drugs (by any means direct or indirect) 17,000

Marijuana - 0
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17,000 lives lost...yes...but MILLIONS of lives RUINED. For those people, death is the better deal.

"Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living. I don't see anyone picketing the liqour stores or tobacco combanies.
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That's one of the most ignorant statements ever posted.
 
Statements like the ones quoted below used to be reserved for people that held down difficult, low paying, unskilled, jobs in order to pay for the neccessities of life while trying to set a proper example, and provide a better life for their children and families. Since when do they apply to people breaking the law while harming others so that they can "bet it up big"?

Unfortunately, this type of thinking is exactly what prevents the sport of pool from being accepted by mainstream America, and opens the door for people like Kevin Trudeau.

JIm


"He may not have made the 'correct' choices in life regarding his occupation, but I do know that given his circumstances, he did what he could do to survive and to take care of other family members."

"Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living. I don't see anyone picketing the liqour stores or tobacco combanies."
 
jimmyg said:
Statements like the ones quoted below used to be reserved for people that held down difficult, low paying, unskilled, jobs in order to pay for the neccessities of life while trying to set a proper example, and provide a better life for their children and families. Since when do they apply to people breaking the law while harming others so that they can "bet it up big"?

Unfortunately, this type of thinking is exactly what prevents the sport of pool from being accepted by mainstream America, and opens the door for people like Kevin Trudeau.

JIm


"He may not have made the 'correct' choices in life regarding his occupation, but I do know that given his circumstances, he did what he could do to survive and to take care of other family members."

"Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living. I don't see anyone picketing the liqour stores or tobacco combanies."
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Sad...but true.

TAP TAP TAP
 
We all make choices and have to face the consequences whether they are good or bad. Angry made his choice and is facing the consequence. He is still fun to have in a poolroom and good for alot of action. And if you win some money off of him, well you know where it came from so you can put it to good use. JMO.

Southpaw
 
To everyone bashing my post,

My statement was in response to individual choice. The guy may have made a living at something that ruins people's lives. Their choice, same as alcoholics and nicotine addicts. 75 years ago alcohol was illegal and sold illegally. I only speak that the difference is in the narrow-mindedness of individuals who refuse to admit to obvious facts.

Drugs never ruined anyone's lives, the choice that person made to partake of the drug did. The same is true of alcohol and tobacco.

I will refrain from political/moral banter. I do not agree with drug abuse or the sale of said substances. As far as a post questioning my intelligence ...coming from one who doesn't know there from their.... Grow up.
 
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iba7467 said:
Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living.

13,470 people lost there lives due to drunk driving last year. 85,000 total alcohol related deaths.

435,000 tobacco deaths.

All other illicit drugs (by any means direct or indirect) 17,000

Marijuana - 0
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All I can say is wow to your statements quoted in bold. I agree with all the other stuff with alcohol and tobacco etc, but to act like its ok to sit around and sell illegal drugs is a good thing, thats just not right. Dont know how many kids you have, but its got to make you feel good knowing that guys like (not necessarily this guy, cause I dont know him or his business) this can approach them and offer them some drugs, and you wont mind them purchasing some since it helps out his family income.

And with your Marjuana statement = 0, your probably a burner and dont think that burning impacts any decisions that involved some of those same driving accidents or health related accidents.

IMO, he should make his living the hard way just like everyone else does LEGALLY!
 
Perk said:
kids you have, but its got to make you feel good knowing that guys like this can approach them and offer them some drugs, and you wont mind them purchasing some since it helps out his family income.

And with your Marjuana statement = 0, your probably a burner and dont think that burning impacts any decisions that involved some of those same driving accidents
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1. I hope I have raised my children to stay away from all drugs. It will be made available to them, whether I like it or not. I can only hope I have done my job as a parent to teach them, and they have character to refrain.

2. I am not a drug-user (marijuana included) and do not appreciate the assumption. Feel free to research the statistics as I did. I could not find any record of fatalities directly linked to the use of marijuana, but I did edit my post accordingly.

3. My point has been from the first post, people are sadly mistaken if they assume legality means something is "right".
 
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All I know is if we were to make drugs legal, there would be chaos.
What would the criminal element of our society, and the legal industry that make a living from illegal drugs, do with themselves?
The politicians would go nuts trying to figure out how to spend all the money that a legal, regulated, controlled drug trade would generate.
Cant have that.
Besides I think we're winning the war on drugs.
Just a few more jails, and its over.
 
Black-Balled said:
Oh yeah? Has been is that, eh?

The education system has failed you.
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I don't really see the point in denigrating one grammatical error that he made. Does this somehow lessen the value of his argument? (Which I do not happen to agree with, but I'm not about to attack his grammar as a way to trivialize his view.)

I scored nearly perfect on the ACT English/Reading Composition subsection back in high school, but I am quite sure you can find a few sentences I have mangled on here, merely through lack of concern to go back and edit, since my point was already clear.

I'm not trying to target you, Black-Balled.. I'm just trying to bring out the new kinder, gentler Russ to help keep a good discussion going. Let's try not to allow the debate to decay into name-calling.

:D

Russ
 
iba7467 said:
I'm probably about the only player Angry has ever played even. He is definitely a fun guy. He enjoyed the action and always got something going. Yes, he sold shirts; and yes, I have a good idea why he's there. I could care less.

Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living. I don't see anyone picketing the liqour stores or tobacco combanies.

13,470 people lost there lives due to drunk driving last year. 85,000 total alcohol related deaths.

435,000 tobacco deaths.

All other illicit drugs (by any means direct or indirect) 17,000

Removed questionable statistic
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As long as it is you or your family members buying the drugs it is fine with me.;)
 
iba7467 said:
To everyone bashing my post,

My statement was in response to individual choice. The guy may have made a living at something that ruins people's lives. Their choice, same as alcoholics and nicotine addicts. 75 years ago alcohol was illegal and sold illegally. I only speak that the difference is in the narrow-mindedness of individuals who refuse to admit to obvious facts.

Drugs never ruined anyone's lives, the choice that person made to partake of the drug did. The same is true of alcohol and tobacco.

I will refrain from political/moral banter. I do not agree with drug abuse or the sale of said substances. As far as a post questioning my intelligence ...coming from one who doesn't know there from their.... Grow up.
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"Drugs never ruined anyone's lives, the choice that person made to partake of the drug did. The same is true of alcohol and tobacco. "

So...you think that at the moment you CHOOSE to partake is when you get high...and get addicted...and lose your job...and steal to support your habit...and ruin your life and that of those who love you most?

Wow...what a cheap habit!! Don't have to buy anything....just CHOOSE to.

Get a clue!
 
iba7467 said:
1. I hope I have raised my children to stay away from all drugs. It will be made available to them, whether I like it or not. I can only hope I have done my job as a parent to teach them, and they have character to refrain.

2. I am not a drug-user (marijuana included) and do not appreciate the assumption. Feel free to research the statistics as I did. I could not find any record of fatalities directly linked to the use of marijuana, but I did edit my post accordingly.

3. My point has been from the first post, is that people are sadly mistaken if they assume legality means something is "right".
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Nope...too late to do that dance. Your posts said what they said including
"Why bash the guy for selling drugs to make a "good" living."

I hope your kids DON'T get into drugs and booze although the odds are significant that they WILL in spite of your purported teachings...just like MINE did..to the extent of a near fatality.

And THAT....sir...is "why bash the guy for selling drugs..."

Had I been able to find out who sold to my son, there would have been two people who would have done time...the dealer for dealing...and ME for assault with intent to inflice grave bodily harm.

If you want to save face for a momentary lapse of good judgment then your next post should UTTERLY RETRACT what your earlier posts PLAINLY STATED and go on record to the effect you realize that illegal drugs are having CATASTOPHIC consequences in this country and around the world.

I'm sure you are a good guy at heart and we all have momentary lapses in judgement but you need to MAN UP on this one because dancing will get you nowhere.

Regards,
Jim
 
*Blarrrgghghghgghhhhhhhhh* That's the sound of me vomiting from hearing 15000th thing that is keeping pool from being elevated into the mainstream.

Also... anyone that lets the government determine their moral compass is a sheep. No Government on this planet is morally sound. A quick example that someone pointed out earlier...

Cigarette related deaths per year - 400,000 +
Alcohol related deaths per year - 100,000 +
Deaths ever directly related to Marijuana - 0

But oh yeah... it's a GATEWAY DRUG!!! Very scary language. Hmm, I wonder if your everyday run-of-the-mill crackhead started smoking marijuana first or maybe caffeine, cigarettes, & alcohol?? You know that alcohol has never caused anyone to do anything they may not normally do sober... :rolleyes:

I'm going to tell you guys the real reason why Marijuana is illegal... I hope you guys are ready for this...

The Government couldn't tax it because it is grown so easily. And if it were legal... the sales of both alcohol and cigarettes would drop drastically, which are both easily taxed and are HUGE business in America.


Please start thinking for yourselves at your earliest convenience.
 
DeadPoked said:
*Blarrrgghghghgghhhhhhhhh* That's the sound of me vomiting from hearing 15000th thing that is keeping pool from being elevated into the mainstream.

Also... anyone that lets the government determine their moral compass is a sheep. No Government on this planet is morally sound. A quick example that someone pointed out earlier...

Cigarette related deaths per year - 400,000 +
Alcohol related deaths per year - 100,000 +
Deaths ever directly related to Marijuana - 0

But oh yeah... it's a GATEWAY DRUG!!! Very scary language. Hmm, I wonder if your everyday run-of-the-mill crackhead started smoking marijuana first or maybe caffeine, cigarettes, & alcohol?? You know that alcohol has never caused anyone to do anything they may not normally do sober... :rolleyes:

I'm going to tell you guys the real reason why Marijuana is illegal... I hope you guys are ready for this...

The Government couldn't tax it because it is grown so easily. And if it were legal... the sales of both alcohol and cigarettes would drop drastically, which are both easily taxed and are HUGE business in America.


Please start thinking for yourselves at your earliest convenience.
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it doesn't matter whether it SHOULD be legal or not. It also doesn't matter why or why not its illegal. The fact remains that is Illegal and until its made legal then I don't see your point. The point I am making is that anyone that knowingly does something illegal (do or sell any illegal drugs, kill someone, speed, etc...) deserves to face the consequences when they get caught.
 
DeadPoked said:
*Blarrrgghghghgghhhhhhhhh* That's the sound of me vomiting from hearing 15000th thing that is keeping pool from being elevated into the mainstream.

Also... anyone that lets the government determine their moral compass is a sheep. No Government on this planet is morally sound. A quick example that someone pointed out earlier...

Cigarette related deaths per year - 400,000 +
Alcohol related deaths per year - 100,000 +
Deaths ever directly related to Marijuana - 0

But oh yeah... it's a GATEWAY DRUG!!! Very scary language. Hmm, I wonder if your everyday run-of-the-mill crackhead started smoking marijuana first or maybe caffeine, cigarettes, & alcohol?? You know that alcohol has never caused anyone to do anything they may not normally do sober... :rolleyes:

I'm going to tell you guys the real reason why Marijuana is illegal... I hope you guys are ready for this...

The Government couldn't tax it because it is grown so easily. And if it were legal... the sales of both alcohol and cigarettes would drop drastically, which are both easily taxed and are HUGE business in America.


Please start thinking for yourselves at your earliest convenience.
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But oh yeah... it's a GATEWAY DRUG!!! Very scary language. Hmm, I wonder if your everyday run-of-the-mill crackhead started smoking marijuana first or maybe caffeine, cigarettes, & alcohol?? You know that alcohol has never caused anyone to do anything they may not normally do sober... :rolleyes:

No I doubt anyone ever starts being involved with getting high, if they have the proper guidance in the first place. It is very possible that Mom and Dad where laying home stoned or drunk on the couch, and this is what caused the problems to occur. Maybe the people using are a little unstable, or maybe they just need to escape from a reality that they can't handle, but this is not the issue.

Dealing in Drugs is the same as dealing in Alcohol, or any other mind altering substance, with the only difference being it is illegal. The quality of the products is uncertain, the ingredients are uncertain, and the people involved do not know and some do not care if they are selling poison. Now we all know what is right and wrong, and we all also know that anyone who profits off of the Mental Weakness, Sadness, and vulnerability of others has a great deal to learn about life. ;) :cool:
 
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corvette1340 said:
it doesn't matter whether it SHOULD be legal or not. It also doesn't matter why or why not its illegal. The fact remains that is Illegal and until its made legal then I don't see your point. The point I am making is that anyone that knowingly does something illegal (do or sell any illegal drugs, kill someone, speed, etc...) deserves to face the consequences when they get caught.
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The military has a law under the UCMJ that states you cannot engage in oral or anal sex. If a man were having oral sex with his wife, does he deserve to be kicked out of the military for breaking the "law"?

The only reason you are singing your tune is because the laws that you break have minor penalties. You have no problem paying those minor consequences. You speed everyday but the penalty you get is very small compared to someone who enjoys smoking pot... who could go to prison for it. Even though speeding causes many deaths and pot causes zero. If there were prison time for going over the speed limit you wouldn't be saying you deserved the consequences.
 
DeadPoked said:
The military has a law under the UCMJ that states you cannot engage in oral or anal sex. If a man were having oral sex with his wife, does he deserve to be kicked out of the military for breaking the "law"?

The only reason you are singing your tune is because the laws that you break have minor penalties. You have no problem paying those minor consequences. You speed everyday but the penalty you get is very small compared to someone who enjoys smoking pot... who could go to prison for it. Even though speeding causes many deaths and pot causes zero. If there were prison time for going over the speed limit you wouldn't be saying you deserved the consequences.
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DeadPoked said:
The military has a law under the UCMJ that states you cannot engage in oral or anal sex. If a man were having oral sex with his wife, does he deserve to be kicked out of the military for breaking the "law"?
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DeadPoked said:
The law you are speaking of is a Federal Law that covers not only the Military, but every state in this country. The act falls under the title of Sodomy, and while it is not enforced in most locations, given the right situation it can be.
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manwon said:
But oh yeah... it's a GATEWAY DRUG!!! Very scary language. Hmm, I wonder if your everyday run-of-the-mill crackhead started smoking marijuana first or maybe caffeine, cigarettes, & alcohol?? You know that alcohol has never caused anyone to do anything they may not normally do sober... :rolleyes:

No I doubt anyone ever starts being involved with getting high, if they have the proper guidance in the first place. It is very possible that Mom and Dad where laying home stoned or drunk on the couch, and this is what caused the problems to occur. Maybe the people using are a little unstable, or maybe they just need to escape from a reality that they can't handle, but this is not the issue.

Dealing in Drugs is the same as dealing in Alcohol, or any other mind altering substance, with the only difference being it is illegal. The quality of the products is uncertain, the ingredients are uncertain, and the people involved do not know and some do not care if they are selling poison. Now we all know what is right and wrong, and we all also know that anyone who profits off of the Metal Weakness, Sadness, and vulnerability of others has a great deal to learn about life. ;) :cool:
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So basically you are saying people shouldn't profit off others vulnerabilities? Okay, I agree. That isn't what I was arguing. Although, I do not agree with you saying that people with the proper guidance would never get high.

There are many successful people that get high everyday, Joe Rogan being one of them. He is well known for his use of marijuana and he is very successful and intelligent. He does all of his writing while stoned and is a great writer. Sure there are people that get stoned and sit around and do nothing with their lives... but guess what? They wouldn't be doing shit anyways with their lives if they were perfectly sober.

My main argument is like I said before... What the govt. says is right or wrong doesn't necessarily mean it is good or bad. And there are laws that if people do break them... I don't feel deserve the consequences.
 
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