APA Vegas is a joke

[one stroke]

The more you complain, the more people realize that you don't get it.

What world do you live in , nothing ever gets changed unless there is enough complaints,, for yrs players complained that vegas was the only place you could collect money,, they heard loud and clear and started paying for tri anies and reginals and numuras other smaller turnys



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[cardiac kid]

Does anyone here really think the APA is going to replace the Valley tables? High Plains has been doing the event for way too many years. They also do the ACS and the VNEA with the same tables.

I've been saying for years the only thing the sanctioning body's care about is the income generated by the tables, entry and sanctioning fees. Play quality is secondary. My hat is off to the BCAPL and Bad Boys as at least they give us the very best conditions possible for the money we spend.

My guess (IMHO) is the only way the conditions will improve is for the players to decide not to attend the National events and make sure the APA knows why. If enough players complain and don't attend, changes will surely occur. Money talks!

Lyn

 

[xTAPOUTx]

I just got back from a very disapointing trip to the nationals where the biggest factor was who got the least amount of bad rolls ,

I was Playing in the masters division where we had the worst playing tables I have ever seen in turny at any level and to boot the masters division had to pay for the games not a quarter not 50 cents but a dollar a game, AUFKM,, they should be ashamed of them selfs ;;

we stumbled in to 33 out of 256 and got a whopping $150 witch did not even cover the cost of the tables, every single macth that was played was a crap shoot and the least deciding factor was the players skill at the table it was all about who got the rolls at the rite time

very disapointing to say the least

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I have to agree......paying a dollar per game sucked!! My team lost the first round to a lesser team cuz of OUR play. We got a bye.....no show the second and the third, We played good but the opponent played better AND AND got alot of rolls......"shitting" balls in at the Masters Level? Are you kidding? Table is NOT open after the break? What! I was very disappointed with those stupid rules.......you can push out in 9 and bust your jump cue out put still playing slop???? Call ball and pocket and table is open after break needs to be brought in as rules. I cant count how many games we lost cuz the table was crap after pocketing the opposite balls or losing because of slop play on more than one occasion. Not to mention after I runout in 9 my opponent decides he is going to "house" rack me. My fault.......should think everyone is a cheat and just check the rack every time. Ill def be out there but at this point prefer BCA and the Diamonds for the Open Division. I also heard from a good source....yah, BCA and ACS are moving but APA is supposed to be staying at the Riv til the roof caves in...........oooops. If you stayed for other matches the rain caused numerous leaky ceiling incidents and play had to be delayed or was "weather permitting".........yes thats the EXACT verbage used when matches were posted. APA is what it is.........a fun league for ALL skill levels. If you dont like it dont play. I like to play because I like to teach....and get to drink. ACS and BCA......alot more competitive and I love that aspect as well. I also like the fact if you miss...........you rack!!!

 

[Maniac]

Does that mean I should check myself in to league rehab?
Maybe you can help, and save me $15K for the 28-days.
Here's my APA problem



What should I do, and how painful is recovery going to be.

Take two pills and send me your cue sticks in the morning !!! :thumbup:

Maniac (I'll take them in installments)

 

[AcuraHeel]

I would think that the Mini Mania's and practice tables generate enough $$ during the two weeks. It's very disappointing that we (masters) players have to pay for a tournament that we qualified for. We pay greens fees all year and it follows us in Vegas. The tables do suck compared to what we're used to on a daily basis. I just try and look at this way... the other player has to play on the same as I do...

***Has anyone got an answer as to why we pay and the other divisions don't???

 

[TCIndepMo]

So you (the OP) played on the table with bad rolls and your opponent played on the table with good rolls? Could it possibly be that the other team was better than you?

You finish 33 out of 256 (I think that was your stated finish) and are unhappy. I wonder what the teams that finished behind you think about the kind of rolls that you got.

Amazing!

 

[one stroke]

So you (the OP) played on the table with bad rolls and your opponent played on the table with good rolls? Could it possibly be that the other team was better than you?

You finish 33 out of 256 (I think that was your stated finish) and are unhappy. I wonder what the teams that finished behind you think about the kind of rolls that you got.

Amazing!

I guess you just read this page of this post,, I have already stated that the teams we lost too probaly were better any way however both those teams may have lost thier matches because of bad rolls just like many others ya and maybe the teams we smoked lost because of our good rolls

The fact remains one bad roll at this level can cost u the match never mind several,, any Idiot knows bad equiptment brings the field closer together

I just call it like it is and you will find very very few people if any that claim that those tables are anything other than bad equiptment

Did I have a good time? Ya its a great social event


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[Celophanewrap]

So I've been reading this thread and it's similar to a lot of the threads here regarding the APA, ie - "it sucks", "it's a joke", yada... yada... yada... started by the guy who came in 33rd place in the Masters and didn't finish higher because of the equipment. Maybe it was good, maybe it was bad, depending on who's post you read, I was there, I thought it was basically a Valley bar table with all the characteristics of a Valley bar table. The one thing I can't get away from is that my opponent and I played on the same table and I believe we both had the same opportunity to win. From reading some of the posts here its' pretty clear to me that I don't play at the same level that quite a few of you do and judging from those same posts I can't say that I'd ever want to.

I like playing once or twice a week with friends when there's no money involved, I like hitting balls on my own table whenever I want to, I like playing in the odd weekend tournament when I have a chance to win someone else's money and not put up my own (excepting the $10 or $20 entry fee) and as long as my opponent and I have played on the same table I can't think of a time that I have ever complained about the equipment - that it has cost me a match. The ball rolls funny sometimes, $hit just happens. I wonder if the team that won the Masters, The Ladies, The 9-Ball or The 8-Ball drew the same perfectly level tables for every match they played or if maybe they played on some of the same tables I did.

The APA isn't for everybody, some of you need the pressure and thrill of playing for money on 9 foot Gold Crowns or Diamonds, as for me - not so much. Sure there are things about the APA that I'd probably change, but it's not mine, so I just deal with it and drink my beer.
Those of you that piss all over the APA - what purpose does it serve? I think I read a post here that said [paraphrase] "if you complain enough about something it will bring about change". Really? How's that working for you so far?

I went there with same chance to win as everybody else, I played on the same tables as everybody else and I play good at times, and bad at times, but I flat refuse to say that the equipment beat me. There's nothing more disrespectful to my opponent than that.

So for the OP and everybody with a similar opinion, You guys know what the APA is, why do you put yourselves through it? I can't think of anyone that needs that aggravation. Move on to the BCA or Valley or the different local and regional events where they have perfectly level tables every time and if you get beat you get beat by your opponent and not the equipment. I suppose then it'll be the temperature, or the humidity, to dry, too wet, something in my eye, had a headache, tough day at work, jacked off and my arm was sore... and we could go on and on. But seriously, why put yourself through it? Especially when you know what to expect.

I'm willing to bet that you're probably 10 times the player I am but if one day we should meet in a match and I was to win, let me have that, don't whine about the equipment, or the sun, show me that respect, please.

As for the other stuff, I'd love for you to stay in the APA, it always helps to have players that play at a high level, but allow those of us that are lesser players our celebration if we win and don't try to pawn it off on the equipment, or wet hands or whatever, we have to win sometimes, it's nature.

To quote (sort of) a popular movie, "This is a simple game. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains, think about it."
-Ebby Calvin LaLouche, Bull Durham

 

[Txstang1]

So I've been reading this thread and it's similar to a lot of the threads here regarding the APA, ie - "it sucks", "it's a joke", yada... yada... yada... started by the guy who came in 33rd place in the Masters and didn't finish higher because of the equipment. Maybe it was good, maybe it was bad, depending on who's post you read, I was there, I thought it was basically a Valley bar table with all the characteristics of a Valley bar table. The one thing I can't get away from is that my opponent and I played on the same table and I believe we both had the same opportunity to win. From reading some of the posts here its' pretty clear to me that I don't play at the same level that quite a few of you do and judging from those same posts I can't say that I'd ever want to.

I like playing once or twice a week with friends when there's no money involved, I like hitting balls on my own table whenever I want to, I like playing in the odd weekend tournament when I have a chance to win someone else's money and not put up my own (excepting the $10 or $20 entry fee) and as long as my opponent and I have played on the same table I can't think of a time that I have ever complained about the equipment - that it has cost me a match. The ball rolls funny sometimes, $hit just happens. I wonder if the team that won the Masters, The Ladies, The 9-Ball or The 8-Ball drew the same perfectly level tables for every match they played or if maybe they played on some of the same tables I did.

The APA isn't for everybody, some of you need the pressure and thrill of playing for money on 9 foot Gold Crowns or Diamonds, as for me - not so much. Sure there are things about the APA that I'd probably change, but it's not mine, so I just deal with it and drink my beer.
Those of you that piss all over the APA - what purpose does it serve? I think I read a post here that said [paraphrase] "if you complain enough about something it will bring about change". Really? How's that working for you so far?

I went there with same chance to win as everybody else, I played on the same tables as everybody else and I play good at times, and bad at times, but I flat refuse to say that the equipment beat me. There's nothing more disrespectful to my opponent than that.

So for the OP and everybody with a similar opinion, You guys know what the APA is, why do you put yourselves through it? I can't think of anyone that needs that aggravation. Move on to the BCA or Valley or the different local and regional events where they have perfectly level tables every time and if you get beat you get beat by your opponent and not the equipment. I suppose then it'll be the temperature, or the humidity, to dry, too wet, something in my eye, had a headache, tough day at work, jacked off and my arm was sore... and we could go on and on. But seriously, why put yourself through it? Especially when you know what to expect.

I'm willing to be that you're probably 10 times the player I am but if one day we should meet in a match and I was to win, let me have that, don't whine about the equipment, or the sun, show me that respect, please.

As for the other stuff, I'd love for you to stay in the APA, it always helps to have players that play at a high level, but allow those of us that are lesser players our celebration if we win and don't try to pawn it off on the equipment, or wet hands or whatever, we have to win sometimes, it's nature.

To quote (sort of) a popular movie, "This is a simple game. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains, think about it.
-Ebby Calvin LaLouche, Bull Durham

I agree with what you say, and I'm one of the ones *****ing. However, I'm not in the catagory of the these ones you describe that blame everything but the way they played. In this paticular instance, it was my first, I guess what you would call big tourny, in over 10 years and I was upset. In hindsight I shouldnt have ever let the match get to the hill and that paticular bad roll would have cost me.

Plus I like to ***** Like I mentioned earlier, I'll be back next year for the event. I still don;t think it's unresonable to complain about how shitty some of the tables rolled. I mean rolling off 2-4 inches, going the length of the table is pretty damn bad, wouldn't you say ?

 

[Taco]

So I've been reading this thread and it's similar to a lot of the threads here regarding the APA, ie - "it sucks", "it's a joke", yada... yada... yada... started by the guy who came in 33rd place in the Masters and didn't finish higher because of the equipment. Maybe it was good, maybe it was bad, depending on who's post you read, I was there, I thought it was basically a Valley bar table with all the characteristics of a Valley bar table. The one thing I can't get away from is that my opponent and I played on the same table and I believe we both had the same opportunity to win. From reading some of the posts here its' pretty clear to me that I don't play at the same level that quite a few of you do and judging from those same posts I can't say that I'd ever want to.

I like playing once or twice a week with friends when there's no money involved, I like hitting balls on my own table whenever I want to, I like playing in the odd weekend tournament when I have a chance to win someone else's money and not put up my own (excepting the $10 or $20 entry fee) and as long as my opponent and I have played on the same table I can't think of a time that I have ever complained about the equipment - that it has cost me a match. The ball rolls funny sometimes, $hit just happens. I wonder if the team that won the Masters, The Ladies, The 9-Ball or The 8-Ball drew the same perfectly level tables for every match they played or if maybe they played on some of the same tables I did.

The APA isn't for everybody, some of you need the pressure and thrill of playing for money on 9 foot Gold Crowns or Diamonds, as for me - not so much. Sure there are things about the APA that I'd probably change, but it's not mine, so I just deal with it and drink my beer.
Those of you that piss all over the APA - what purpose does it serve? I think I read a post here that said [paraphrase] "if you complain enough about something it will bring about change". Really? How's that working for you so far?

I went there with same chance to win as everybody else, I played on the same tables as everybody else and I play good at times, and bad at times, but I flat refuse to say that the equipment beat me. There's nothing more disrespectful to my opponent than that.

So for the OP and everybody with a similar opinion, You guys know what the APA is, why do you put yourselves through it? I can't think of anyone that needs that aggravation. Move on to the BCA or Valley or the different local and regional events where they have perfectly level tables every time and if you get beat you get beat by your opponent and not the equipment. I suppose then it'll be the temperature, or the humidity, to dry, too wet, something in my eye, had a headache, tough day at work, jacked off and my arm was sore... and we could go on and on. But seriously, why put yourself through it? Especially when you know what to expect.

I'm willing to bet that you're probably 10 times the player I am but if one day we should meet in a match and I was to win, let me have that, don't whine about the equipment, or the sun, show me that respect, please.

As for the other stuff, I'd love for you to stay in the APA, it always helps to have players that play at a high level, but allow those of us that are lesser players our celebration if we win and don't try to pawn it off on the equipment, or wet hands or whatever, we have to win sometimes, it's nature.

To quote (sort of) a popular movie, "This is a simple game. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains, think about it."
-Ebby Calvin LaLouche, Bull Durham

My favorite recent post. I personally don't like playing APA, but just because it often takes until 1:00 a.m. and, as a teammate, I feel compelled to stay until the end. Or rather felt compelled. I don't play it anymore. I'm one of those guys who likes to play on the 9' Diamonds and GC's.

But I would never trash APA. It brings a lot of players to the game, and like the poster said, it lets people of lower skill levels enjoy the game at a competitive level. And I think that's a great thing. Great post.

 

[one stroke]

So I've been reading this thread and it's similar to a lot of the threads here regarding the APA, ie - "it sucks", "it's a joke", yada... yada... yada... started by the guy who came in 33rd place in the Masters and didn't finish higher because of the equipment. Maybe it was good, maybe it was bad, depending on who's post you read, I was there, I thought it was basically a Valley bar table with all the characteristics of a Valley bar table. The one thing I can't get away from is that my opponent and I played on the same table and I believe we both had the same opportunity to win. From reading some of the posts here its' pretty clear to me that I don't play at the same level that quite a few of you do and judging from those same posts I can't say that I'd ever want to.

I like playing once or twice a week with friends when there's no money involved, I like hitting balls on my own table whenever I want to, I like playing in the odd weekend tournament when I have a chance to win someone else's money and not put up my own (excepting the $10 or $20 entry fee) and as long as my opponent and I have played on the same table I can't think of a time that I have ever complained about the equipment - that it has cost me a match. The ball rolls funny sometimes, $hit just happens. I wonder if the team that won the Masters, The Ladies, The 9-Ball or The 8-Ball drew the same perfectly level tables for every match they played or if maybe they played on some of the same tables I did.

The APA isn't for everybody, some of you need the pressure and thrill of playing for money on 9 foot Gold Crowns or Diamonds, as for me - not so much. Sure there are things about the APA that I'd probably change, but it's not mine, so I just deal with it and drink my beer.
Those of you that piss all over the APA - what purpose does it serve? I think I read a post here that said [paraphrase] "if you complain enough about something it will bring about change". Really? How's that working for you so far?

I went there with same chance to win as everybody else, I played on the same tables as everybody else and I play good at times, and bad at times, but I flat refuse to say that the equipment beat me. There's nothing more disrespectful to my opponent than that.

So for the OP and everybody with a similar opinion, You guys know what the APA is, why do you put yourselves through it? I can't think of anyone that needs that aggravation. Move on to the BCA or Valley or the different local and regional events where they have perfectly level tables every time and if you get beat you get beat by your opponent and not the equipment. I suppose then it'll be the temperature, or the humidity, to dry, too wet, something in my eye, had a headache, tough day at work, jacked off and my arm was sore... and we could go on and on. But seriously, why put yourself through it? Especially when you know what to expect.

I'm willing to be that you're probably 10 times the player I am but if one day we should meet in a match and I was to win, let me have that, don't whine about the equipment, or the sun, show me that respect, please.

As for the other stuff, I'd love for you to stay in the APA, it always helps to have players that play at a high level, but allow those of us that are lesser players our celebration if we win and don't try to pawn it off on the equipment, or wet hands or whatever, we have to win sometimes, it's nature.

To quote (sort of) a popular movie, "This is a simple game. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains, think about it.
-Ebby Calvin LaLouche, Bull Durham

Your rite APA is not for everyone,, however the masters is for the better players and most of them usualy play on better equiptment and would expect more from the king of amature pool,,

The fact is we are thrilled with our finish we never even dreamed of making it thier in the first place I was not even on that team till the last week of the season or even playing pool for that matter so Im tickled pink

Im not trying to take away anyones joy of playing we all play for one reason or another but I will be honest thier is far less drama in masters leaque than in the other divisions thats why I stopped playing Leaque pool yrs ago because it was way to serious and started playing a hand full of turnys instead, so I guess I got spoiled by good equiptment

sorry for the ranting



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[AJC]

I don't know how many of you saw this but on Monday they actually stopped a match and moved them to another table because the other one played so bad. They had it torn apart in a few minutes trying to get it leveled out.

I didn't mind the shitty rolls much because I've played in enough dive bars to handle it but I didn't care for the sudden death rule. If you go hill-hill one match you are almost guaranteed to go sudden death. It's pretty much a coin toss. I broke and ran the s.d. game twice, and the third time it happened to me. It is what it is but you would think they would let the masters teams at least play a full set.

Nevertheless we had a good time and I'm sure we will be back next year.

 

[Black King Tips]

I was out at the APA Nationals also. I am a former APA League Operator as well. The APA stopped using the Diamond tables when Mark Griffin bought the BCA League as they felt he was now their competitor and didn't want to support his interest in Diamond tables. I'm only a 6 and I played 4 matches out there and I saw some bad rolls but nothing major and they happened to my players and my opponents also. Nothing that changed the outcome of any matches. I did see what you mentioned about the rails being out of alignment slightly but with the size of the pockets I think they more than made up for it. The thing you never hear at any of these events are the 2's 3's and 4's saying the tables played bad....Hmmmm. The reason the APA may look at the Masters event as an afterthought (If they do) is this... Skill level 7's make up less than 2% of the league (75% is 2's, 3's and 4's). With 250,000 members you're talking about maybe 4000 7's. The 4000 7's make up MUCH more than 2% of the Handicap, Tables, Fees, Rules, Formats, Etc, Etc, complaints. Look at it like this...the APA is a business and they have 250,000 customers. If you had a business selling widgets and you have 250,000 customers and 246,000 love your widgets....would you care if you lost 4000 customers that always complain and whine about YOUR widgets or would you be happy if they left and went to ABC, XYZ or BCA widget company? I'm not saying it's right....I'm just saying it is what it is. The APA looks at it like this....The world has 6 billion potential 2's and maybe a million 7's...who would you market to? Like I always say, I will give everyone in the world the 7-8 and the breaks for $1000 a game....but EVERYONE in the world has to bet...and I'll start with all the women over the age of 85 and anyone on AZ get's played last!!! LOL

 

[chevybob20]

I played in the 3 man event too. Like Cory, maybe I was lucky but I nvr played on a table with a horrible roll. We played 4 team matches and I spent plenty of time in the mini tourney room (where the Masters event was held too). Between practice and mini tourneys, I must have played on 30 different tables.

Granted, there were a couple of tables that rolled off a TINY bit, but, you have to really be rolling a super slow cueball for that to be noticed. I generally nvr play a touchy shot that softly on a bartable, for those reasons.

What I did notice is that the Aramith magnetic CB can be a lil different. Mainly, the Aramith ball tends to over draw. MAybe it's due to the design of having metal imbedded in the outer layer of the CB (not in the core) which gives it a gyro effect. For that matter, maybe it contributed to the rolls.

Lastly, I nvr noticed anything wrong with table 35. Coincidentally, my friends also played their team event on it. I believe it was the table on the front corner, second row from the tourney desk and had bleachers in front of it.


Eric

Yup. Hammer on that green "S" cue ball and it will get out of round. I bought one for my home table to see how differently it played. It played well for a while and then it started rolling funny.

 

[jrt30004]

Well you obviously dont get around much there sport , the fact is my team did fine for a bunch of old farts made it to 33 in the masters ,

I started this thread and you never heard me complain about our outcome
did we have bad rolls ya and now that were talking about my team we had several but I did not bring it up because it probaly did not affect the outcome in the end , but it could have ,,
We are not used to playing on shit equiptment and knew adjustments would have to be made mine started with sending a cue 2 1/2 ounces heavier because I was warned how slow the cheap cloth would be after playing I would have went up another ounce but I left that cue at home

I watched last yrs winners because they play in many pro am events that we do and saw them get bad roll after bad roll they survived most of those matches also but they knew the deal going in

I guess it was lessons learned go hit a bunch of shit hole bars and thier tables and get better prepaired

I had a good time never the less Im just calling it like I see it and I see pretty good,, and expected just a little more from the biggest amature sports leaque in the world ,,

sorry if some cant handle that


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i wasn't calling you out specifically it is a general complaint that i hear year after year when people come back. you should do exactly what you said you should have done. practice on the bar boxes you will be playing on. that's what i did before i went. i have never played any sort of serious pool on a bar box, save for a few GSBT events played on diamond smart tables. i play my league play on a mix of 8 ft and 9 ft gold crowns that are set up ok for the most part. the majority of the tournaments i play in are played on 9 ft gold crowns, diamonds and olhausens.
starting about a month before i went out i started playing in tournaments and playing on valleys. i also had a friend of mine named jeff crawford who has played alot on the boxes and is a more than decent player teach me a few things. he also gave me the 8 ball bible. even though i was going to play 9 ball the book is all about play on the bar table.
in short i prepared. i saw a lot of folks who didn't. in one of the mini 8 ball eveents i played in i crushed a 5 who b*tched and moaned the whole time that table rolled like shit. i ran 3 racks on that table and beat him 5-0. the table rolled fine. after the match he told me he "hated bar boxes" and never plays on them. that would explain the fact that when he did shoot he he over hit everything and scratched alot.
to reply to your statement i don't get around much, i was raised in the north east and played a bunch in CT and NYC. from there i moved to south FL and played in and around broward, dade and palm beach counties. i now live in atlanta and play in 5 or 6 rooms around the metro area. i've played some in savanah GA, TN, and now i've been to the apa nationals in vegas where i played on about 10 different tables and watched matches on about 20 more. so in closing, i been around plenty in my 40 years, sport.

 

[Da Bank]

Sorry pal cant agree with you on this one,, bad rolls is one thing trash tables poorly set up that dictate out comes is another your not playing in some $5 dollar tue night turny ,, your playing for thousands of dollars
its a farce at best ,, good luck to ya next yr you wont see me there


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unless your opponent has a magic button that straightens the table out when he comes up to shoot... you are using the same equipment, no matter how bad it is. It's all about who is better that day in those conditions.

but yeah... everything about what you are saying and how you are saying it screams APA to me.

 

[markpatrick]

Welcome

I just got back from a very disapointing trip to the nationals where the biggest factor was who got the least amount of bad rolls ,

I was Playing in the masters division where we had the worst playing tables I have ever seen in turny at any level and to boot the masters division had to pay for the games not a quarter not 50 cents but a dollar a game, AUFKM,, they should be ashamed of them selfs ;;

we stumbled in to 33 out of 256 and got a whopping $150 witch did not even cover the cost of the tables, every single macth that was played was a crap shoot and the least deciding factor was the players skill at the table it was all about who got the rolls at the rite time

very disapointing to say the least

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Welcome to Reality, how do you think they make the prize money. Were the beers $5 each or higher?

 

[JC]

Bad tables and the saying,,,their playing on them too. LMAO

It just don't cut it no matter where or what league. It's true their playing on them too. And if they don't know how to play,,the table roll don't really even bother them.

The person who it does bother,,is the one that hits the ball and knows where it is going,,and where it should go.. And it doesn't go there because the tables suck.

It evens the field for a lessor player. PERIOD!!!!

False. The better player wins over time no matter the equipment. That's why they're better. The player who has an over inflated sense of their skill level will be making excuses that never end when their performance doesn't live up to their ego. Bad equipment is just one of them. How was the lighting BTW? Did they use a rheostat to dim the lights on the "better" player to even the field even more?

I agree APA sucks. It seems to attract whiners who are pool legends in their own minds.

JC

 

[cuesblues]

I was out at the APA Nationals also. I am a former APA League Operator as well. The APA stopped using the Diamond tables when Mark Griffin bought the BCA League as they felt he was now their competitor and didn't want to support his interest in Diamond tables. I'm only a 6 and I played 4 matches out there and I saw some bad rolls but nothing major and they happened to my players and my opponents also. Nothing that changed the outcome of any matches. I did see what you mentioned about the rails being out of alignment slightly but with the size of the pockets I think they more than made up for it. The thing you never hear at any of these events are the 2's 3's and 4's saying the tables played bad....Hmmmm. The reason the APA may look at the Masters event as an afterthought (If they do) is this... Skill level 7's make up less than 2% of the league (75% is 2's, 3's and 4's). With 250,000 members you're talking about maybe 4000 7's. The 4000 7's make up MUCH more than 2% of the Handicap, Tables, Fees, Rules, Formats, Etc, Etc, complaints. Look at it like this...the APA is a business and they have 250,000 customers. If you had a business selling widgets and you have 250,000 customers and 246,000 love your widgets....would you care if you lost 4000 customers that always complain and whine about YOUR widgets or would you be happy if they left and went to ABC, XYZ or BCA widget company? I'm not saying it's right....I'm just saying it is what it is. The APA looks at it like this....The world has 6 billion potential 2's and maybe a million 7's...who would you market to? Like I always say, I will give everyone in the world the 7-8 and the breaks for $1000 a game....but EVERYONE in the world has to bet...and I'll start with all the women over the age of 85 and anyone on AZ get's played last!!! LOL

I'm a numbers guy too, this is exactly the kind of information I need to rid myself of this "APA codependency" curse,
and realize that there is life after APA.

"Hi, my name is Ted, and I was an over-ranked APA player"

 

[BrokeStroke]

I will give everyone in the world the 7-8 and the breaks for $1000 a game...and I'll start with all the women over the age of 85

I just turned 86. My old woman boobs sagged to my knees so I had them taken off. Im also on hormone pills to cure my lumbago, thats why I have this beard and deep voice. Also, in my early 60's, I got wild and got my arms 'sleeved' with tattoos. Now I resemble a 30 year old man.

Since boy scouts have stopped helping me cross the street, my purse was stolen several times, therefore I cannot provide proof of my age or my conditions. I do, however, have a MedicAlert bracelet that I sometimes wear.

I can prove my gender, but a proper lady never lifts her skirt above her knee, and I doubt you want to see my 86 year old girl parts.

So if you'd like to start that bet with me, I'm game. My social security check gets here on Monday. I have this jar of pennies in the mean time...