I'm looking forward to watching the stream of this one. 
Appleton vs Hatch $20k -30K confirmed
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Mental game
I haven't seen enough of either of these guys to have a super-informed opinion. But I am a pool fan and have seen them both play and followed the pool news too. Dynamite went to the Phillipines a couple of years ago and gambled for a month or so. That Phillipino experience is something Hatch doesn't have. He has been back to Asia of course, winning that World 10-ball championship. He just snapped off a bar-table 10-ball championship in Reno. I think over the past two years he has improved, even though he was extremely good back then. In addition to his great shotmaking, he is very strong mentally.
When Dennis Hatch played Orcullo in a tournament about 9 months ago, one that Corey won, I think it was 9-ball though it may have been 10-ball, Hatch was never really in it against Dennis. When Hatch played Soquet at Turning Stone 6 weeks ago, again he was never in it. From what I've seen, Dennis' mental game is not up there with the top world players.
That's why I favor DA.
I haven't seen enough of either of these guys to have a super-informed opinion. But I am a pool fan and have seen them both play and followed the pool news too. Dynamite went to the Phillipines a couple of years ago and gambled for a month or so. That Phillipino experience is something Hatch doesn't have. He has been back to Asia of course, winning that World 10-ball championship. He just snapped off a bar-table 10-ball championship in Reno. I think over the past two years he has improved, even though he was extremely good back then. In addition to his great shotmaking, he is very strong mentally.
When Dennis Hatch played Orcullo in a tournament about 9 months ago, one that Corey won, I think it was 9-ball though it may have been 10-ball, Hatch was never really in it against Dennis. When Hatch played Soquet at Turning Stone 6 weeks ago, again he was never in it. From what I've seen, Dennis' mental game is not up there with the top world players.
That's why I favor DA.
Well, when it starts, somebody better remember to tell Hatch that.
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What he said
Is is reported that Chris Bartrum feels that Dennis Hatch is the strong favorite and wants to bet high. So anyone with real money to bet knows where to go (and that excludes me). I respect Chris Bartrum as a monster road player with a heart as big as my personal computer. But he can be wrong when it comes to sizing up players. He is consistent though. A while back, when he said he wanted the 8 & 9 from DH, but only the last two vs. Gabe Owens, John Schmidt and others, someone questioned this, to which CB responded:
"dont take this the wrong way do you know pool? dennis plays way better than gabe jeremy john "
It's interesting to note that CB wants only the 8 from DA, but the 8 & 9 from DH.
But my point is that CB can be wrong. He was very wrong re his assessment of Stevie Moore. Of course CB was a man about it and played his heart out, but my point is that he was way off in his estimate of Stevie's strength.
On the other hand, CB has gambled with both Dennis Hatch and Darren Appleton, so he should know as well as anyone.
Is is reported that Chris Bartrum feels that Dennis Hatch is the strong favorite and wants to bet high. So anyone with real money to bet knows where to go (and that excludes me). I respect Chris Bartrum as a monster road player with a heart as big as my personal computer. But he can be wrong when it comes to sizing up players. He is consistent though. A while back, when he said he wanted the 8 & 9 from DH, but only the last two vs. Gabe Owens, John Schmidt and others, someone questioned this, to which CB responded:
"dont take this the wrong way do you know pool? dennis plays way better than gabe jeremy john "
It's interesting to note that CB wants only the 8 from DA, but the 8 & 9 from DH.
But my point is that CB can be wrong. He was very wrong re his assessment of Stevie Moore. Of course CB was a man about it and played his heart out, but my point is that he was way off in his estimate of Stevie's strength.
On the other hand, CB has gambled with both Dennis Hatch and Darren Appleton, so he should know as well as anyone.
There's a guy that I used to play even with here in town. Hatch gave him the five and the last five, race to 11 for a grand. 11-1. Hatch hung up the seven ball. The ONLY ball he missed (there was some safety play, I'm referring to balls he was trying to pocket). 4 1/2 pockets with 660. The guy stayed out of the poolroom for almost a week. I consider him to be a good player. I mean, he can hit you with 2's and 3's if his break is on. And for him to get that kind of weight? Over the years, I've outrun some ridiculous crap myself; but, I personally couldn't believe he would even offer that to Joe. Just like Hatcher says, "You don't make a mistake, it don't matter what I give up."
There is one thing that IMO you are overlooking in your train of thought..... IMO, Chris had Stevie sized up right and I still think the game isn't that far out of line but on day two Stevie played perfect pool. Hatch, DAZ, SVB, Efren, etc... None of them would have liked playing Stevie on day two and great players are prone to do that occasionally. Chris could have hit the same gear and the match could have went his way, that's just how pool goes.... JMO
A lot of Brits don't consider themselves "European" and seem for the most part to have a bit more gamble than continental Europeans
In my earlier thread, I wanted to know how many games per day to the 100, 3 days/ 4 days /5 days?
Here's what I'd like to see:
Play two four hour sessions per day, over a three day period and total games won wins. Have rules for meals etc. and lets play. Over this period of time, the best player always wins.
This is the action I want... I'll take Daz + 30 on the wire, please name your price as I'm all in.
Saw, you and I generally agree when it comes to gambling, and I hope this doesn't demean CB, but you can bet this as often as you like if you believe it is true/ I agree that Stevie played perfect on day two, but I do not believe Chris has that high of a gear. Even if Stevie doesn't hit it ... he is supposed to win. Let me know if you would like to bet on this match if there is a rematch and you have action.
No offense to CB, but Stevie is one of the top players in the world and I don't believe Chris knew it until he sat in the chair and watched it.
I think he was the best teenage player in the world. He was running 150+ balls in staright pool at 15. By 20 he ran something like 360 balls.
You're right, Chris does need a little something to make it an even game. But the results of that one match has some thinking that Chris made a bad game that he had no chance of winning. Like Chesscat saying "He was very wrong re his assessment of Stevie Moore." I know most will think that I'm delusional and biased because Chris is my boy but Stevie played real freakin good and Chris played as bad as I have ever seen him play. The second day was a 23 game difference mostly due to the fact that Stevie played perfect pool (it was the best performance I have seen myself by anyone). The final spread was 34 games and it just seems to me that a lot of people are under the impression that the game is really that far out of line. Had Chris jumped out early and put heat on Stevie, who knows??? I can't imagine Stevie offering more than 8 or 10 games if they tried to match up again and I will end it all if he gives Chris 30.....
Day 1- 35-28 Stevie
Day 2- 35-12 Stevie
Day 3- 30-26 Stevie
It's so true. I have never seen anybody play ten ball as good as stevie did that set! It was kind of ridiculous, and if he plays like that every race to a 100 who is gonna beat him.
Maybe this will help with you guys making a decision on who to bet on.
I played darren appleton a race to 21 ten ball a few weeks ago. I played rather poorly and lost 21-17. I felt like I should've won 21-14 when I look back at it. I think dennis will out break him with older cloth.
I played darren appleton a race to 21 ten ball a few weeks ago. I played rather poorly and lost 21-17. I felt like I should've won 21-14 when I look back at it. I think dennis will out break him with older cloth.
Can confirm that Daz has played a LOT of money matches in Uk on Uk style tables at 8 ball long before he ever even picked up a cue to play on American equipment for the first time, which was only a few months prior to the IPT. He often played for huge sums, more than double that being put up on this match and he had a great record in those. They came, they got beat, they rarely sought a rematch.
He is one of those players who has supreme application and concentration. The worse he is cueing the harder he will apply himself. When he is cueing very well he can also maintain concentration, rarely allowing cockiness to cause the sort slips that it causes others who are on a high.
Since taking up American style pool (we can sometimes forget it's only a few years, maybe 4 or so) he's travelled throughout the world playing them for money in their own backyards, including The Phillipines and never failed to learn from every experience, win or lose.
Dennis is by all accounts a very talented guy and clearly capable of beating anyone when things go right. He'll need all of it backed up by 100% concentration to take this because what often matters much more in a match of this nature and duration is not how you play when things are going right but how you play when things are not going right :smile:
Should be a spectacle well worth watching.