aramith cue ball cracking

rellek said:
I have a thought on this. It makes good sense from a production stand point if you think about it. What they are probably doing is taking an out of spec object ball and reducing it in size and using it as cores for the coin op cueballs rather than producing a new core from scratch which would just make them cost more, and reduces waste. I would guess that the culprit causing the cracking and chipping off is that magnetic flake layer, which is not whole resin like the rest of the ball, and therefore can't possibly bond the same way. Just my 2 cents.
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Only if you don't get caught.

I understand the reasoning on the production side but these balls have been problematic since day one and they are the SAME balls that were supposedly being damaged by phenolic tips at the BCAPL tournament that led to the BCAPL Banning phenolics on break cues.

Many people jumped on the idea that the phenolic tips MUST have been the problem. I said it's probably the balls and see what we have here.

People have reported that these cue balls get dirty faster, chip easier and that they roll off.

And they are not cheap either.

Wow. I would not have expected this from Aramith.
 
oldzilla said:
The trademark on that is green where mine is red. i have never seen a green one. could be a bootleg cueball !!!:eek:
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It's not a bootleg cueball. The green aramith logo cueball is specifically made for the latest Valley Bar Table return and has been around for over five years at this point. It's made from a phenolic ball ground down several thousandths, and phenolic-cast/wrapped with a magnetic attractive material. I don't think it's a foil, per se'.

In this way, Valley could have a cueball that returned in their magnetic return system and still have it roll true. The previous version had an cast-inserted heavy helical spring that often wouldn't roll true because it wasn't perfectly centered (balance-wise).

Fred
 
JB

That is not the ball that the BCA based their decision on. The BCA tournaments are played on Diamond tables with either red circle or measles balls, not the valley bar box ball.

JB Cases said:
Only if you don't get caught.

I understand the reasoning on the production side but these balls have been problematic since day one and they are the SAME balls that were supposedly being damaged by phenolic tips at the BCAPL tournament that led to the BCAPL Banning phenolics on break cues.

Many people jumped on the idea that the phenolic tips MUST have been the problem. I said it's probably the balls and see what we have here.

People have reported that these cue balls get dirty faster, chip easier and that they roll off.

And they are not cheap either.

Wow. I would not have expected this from Aramith.
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In reality, all the BCA did was to enforce the rules that are already in place that state that your cue cannot damage the balls or equipment. Phenolic tips do cause damage to the cue balls. Whether the balls are a little softer now or not, the damage is still there.

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
 
JB Cases said:
Only if you don't get caught.

I understand the reasoning on the production side but these balls have been problematic since day one and they are the SAME balls that were supposedly being damaged by phenolic tips at the BCAPL tournament that led to the BCAPL Banning phenolics on break cues.

Many people jumped on the idea that the phenolic tips MUST have been the problem. I said it's probably the balls and see what we have here.

People have reported that these cue balls get dirty faster, chip easier and that they roll off.

And they are not cheap either.

Wow. I would not have expected this from Aramith.
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I'm having trouble wraping my head around why a BCAPL Tourney, played on Diamond tables, would be using a green logo cueball design for Valley tables.

Steve

I see that Royce beat me too it. :sorry:
 
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Don't expect any response from Aramith--they won't respond to email about problems--- guess they think they own the market.
 
phishman said:
Don't expect any response from Aramith--they won't respond to email about problems--- guess they think they own the market.
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When you think about it - they have no real competition in phenolic balls.
I've seen quite a few posts where people emailed aramith with no reply.
They put out a great product but the corporate customer service leaves a lot to be desired.
Even talking with them at the bca trade show this year they were kind of smug to the point of rude.
 
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a cue ball?

I cut my cue ball open with a sawzall last night. The layers were so dense that I hit molten Aramith by the time I hit the center. That crap burned right through my slate :(
 
I have seen atleast 3 CB's like this, not on coin op tables either. Its almost like a refurb cue ball. You can see the round number spot under the white paint :confused:
 
I can only report what happened to my Cue ball since I have no other experience with other cracked Cue Balls.

My ball was a personal ball that I carried in my cue case. That case was never left in the car. The ball was only used by me and my opponent. At no time was it hit to my knowledge by a Phenolic tip. It cracked or a chunk came off about 3 years ago. I had the Ball for a little over a year at the time. I have kept the ball as a conversation piece. I will sometimes switch it on the table as a joke and watch it going lub lub down the table when shot. It is a fun trick to play on friends after a few beers & BS.

BTW I replaced the Cue Ball with the same and now have a Phenolic tip break cue. My present Cue Ball shows no damage and it has gotten a lot more play in the last 3 years.
 
I think those magnetic balls that have the coating AND the Aramith green logo are fake. Leave it to CHINESE ingenuity to coat cheap Chinese made balls that were rejects and sell them as expensive magnetic Aramith balls in the U.S. market. And it's easy to put a green stamped logo on them. What a great fraud !!! Who would examine the expensive Aramith magnetic balls to see if they performed as they should (on a bar box table)? AND, believe it or not, they are going to get away with it as China has no controls on copywrite or patents in their country. I would be curious though to see the color and surface of a "real" Aramith made magnetic particle ball and compare it to the softer, duller balls (that get chalk marks easily), that I see in play on bar boxes around here.
 
Wow, that is pretty crazy. I also never would have believed another ball would be the core. Even if they were using rejects and taking them down, that is still another manufacturing process that has to cost something... I would not expect that from Aramith. Wish we could get a response from them with their reasoning.
 
nancewayne said:
I think those magnetic balls that have the coating AND the Aramith green logo are fake. Leave it to CHINESE ingenuity to coat cheap Chinese made balls that were rejects and sell them as expensive magnetic Aramith balls in the U.S. market. And it's easy to put a green stamped logo on them. What a great fraud !!! Who would examine the expensive Aramith magnetic balls to see if they performed as they should (on a bar box table)? AND, believe it or not, they are going to get away with it as China has no controls on copywrite or patents in their country. I would be curious though to see the color and surface of a "real" Aramith made magnetic particle ball and compare it to the softer, duller balls (that get chalk marks easily), that I see in play on bar boxes around here.
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nancewayne

Looking at my Cracked Cue Ball and my good one, I see a color difference but the both have the same shine. Whether the off white of the Cracked one helps proof your theory or not is still a question. I purchased the Cue Balls at the same place but about 18 months apart.

BTW Being part Asian and having lived in Asia, The Chinese have always had a reputation as shrude businessmen. They are often compared to Jewish businessmen in reputation.
 
I know two different people here that have broken these cue balls as well. One was a 9-ball the other was a 3-ball.

Having said that...I'll still take these cue balls over the old slug ball any day! I just won't be buying them.
 
If I were a red giver, the ignorant post below would be garnished.

nancewayne said:
I think those magnetic balls that have the coating AND the Aramith green logo are fake. Leave it to CHINESE ingenuity to coat cheap Chinese made balls that were rejects and sell them as expensive magnetic Aramith balls in the U.S. market. And it's easy to put a green stamped logo on them. What a great fraud !!! Who would examine the expensive Aramith magnetic balls to see if they performed as they should (on a bar box table)? AND, believe it or not, they are going to get away with it as China has no controls on copywrite or patents in their country. I would be curious though to see the color and surface of a "real" Aramith made magnetic particle ball and compare it to the softer, duller balls (that get chalk marks easily), that I see in play on bar boxes around here.
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..hmmm

Jude Rosenstock said:
I just cracked open my centennial cueball and found a Jew and a Chinaman inside. WTF
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This may explain why gambling is based on RACES now instead
of by the GAME.
..also why ENGLISH has become the international language
 
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