Archer's View on Diamond tables

I have enjoyed reading and learning from some of the posts in this thread considering the possibilities of what may cause skid.

There is some question, in the case of JA, over whether or not his object ball did actually skid. Could be he just missed and blamed it on skid, but I must say, the word came out of his mouth almost simultaniously to the shot going awry. I didn't see the ball skid in the video but maybe we would need slow-mo to pick it up.

Logically, IMO, it seems remote that static by itself could cause a skid but I certainly could buy into the possibility that balls rolling on woolen cloth could collect some static that may create a [more] favorable environment for chalk to collect on balls. Or maybe static has no part in it and just chalk buildup could be the culprit?

Some have said it's a result of dirty balls and/or cloth while others feel it's to do with balls and/or cloth that are too new. I can tell you, unequivocally, that on my GC1 (does the table brand matter?) with Simonis 860 and using BOTH Centennial and Super Aramith Pros, I have had an increase in skid incidents when I have lazily not kept up with cleaning the table cloth. And just as soon as I vacuum and wipe her down with a damp cotton cloth, the problem disappears like magic. So, I can say, for a fact, a collection of chalk on table cloth causes skids! This is not to say it is the only cause for skidding but it is absolutely one reason.

Glenn (RKC) suggested that Centennials are less prone to skid than the Aramith Super Pros, then someone else (forgive me, I can't recall who it was) posted from the Belgian ballmaker's site that both of these models are, in fact, the exact same balls except for their aesthetic differences. There should be no performance differences. Again, I can only share what has been my personal experience and the Super Pro set that I own still shines like glass after three years of play. I do take them to my buddys pool room to use their ball wash and polisher once every few months.

Then there is the issue of Diamond's black leather pockets marking balls; what, if any contribution could this make regarding the dreaded skid?

Short of getting this all sorted out on an episode of Discover Channel's "Mythbusters", I suppose we're left to wonder and hypothesize.

I really did like Tony_in_MD's 'better safe than sorry' approach of grounding his Gold Crown with a stake and copper braid. :thumbup:

This really has been enjoyable. Thanks guys!

Best,
Brian kc
 
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Glenn (RKC) suggested that Centennials are less prone to skid than the Aramith Super Pros, then someone else (forgive me, I can't recall who it was) posted from the Belgian ballmaker's site that both of these models are, in fact, the exact same balls except for their aesthetic differences. There should be no performance differences. Again, I can only share what has been my personal experience and the Super Pro set that I own still shines like glass after three years of play......Brian kc

Brian,

Here is an experiment I've done at Classic Billiards on our "new" Smart Table. Take two ASP balls and place them at the pocket extremities. They will not fall into the pocket without being forced in (difficult). Next, take two Centennials and repeat the experiment. The Centennials fall in the pocket without being forced. Perhaps our Centennials are significantly older and worn down but..... They shine like yours and are without any surface marrs from use. Anyone care to comment?

Lyn
 
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Glenn (RKC) suggested that Centennials are less prone to skid than the Aramith Super Pros, then someone else (forgive me, I can't recall who it was) posted from the Belgian ballmaker's site that both of these models are, in fact, the exact same balls except for their aesthetic differences. There should be no performance differences.

From my understanding you are both right. While, Super Aramith Pro is the name of the ball set made by Saluc, it's also what they refer to the resin as as well. The Centennial balls are made with the same resin as the Super Aramith Pro set, but that doesn't mean they are the same ball with different markings. From the Saluc website "The Super Aramith PRO also exists in the Centennial design produced for Brunswick". IMHO it's not saying they are the same, it's saying their resin is in them.

Brian
 
Then there is the issue of Diamond's black leather pockets marking balls; what, if any contribution could this make regarding the dreaded skid?

KC, as is the case with most any foreign substance on the balls, be it from sticky fingers, greasy food or whatever, even if the the leather dye itself does not increase friction enough to cause a skid, it's certainly plausible that it could attract chalk dust or hair/fibers to cling to the ball at that spot which in turn could result in a skid.

I'm pretty sure this is the same indirect effect that static has. I highly doubt static electricity itself will affect the movement of the balls but certainly it can attract chalk dust or hair which in turn will cause as skid if it gets between the balls at the contact point. On occasion I've seen a hair on the CB and tried to wipe it off but it just stays on the ball sliding around the surface, stuck on by static. It doesn't easily off - it must be pulled off the ball.
 
I do and a lot of the time they don't. Not an uncommon statement.

I dunno what to tell ya then. Id love to see a video of this phenomenon.

The sharper angles push the ball into the pocket. Thats just physics. Get 2/3 of that ball inside the tit going down the rail at pocket speed and it will go. Shots with more velocity require you to hit it directly into the hole. When you're going down the rail, you are talking about an opening is isn't much wider than the ball itself.

Ive just always like diamonds, because no matter where I go, or what table i play on a Pro-Cut Diamonds pockets are always the same. I know how I have to hit the ball, in order for it to go. This has never been the case for me with GCs. Many houses try to shim the pockets on the GCs up so they play tougher, and the result is 4 corner pockets that all play different.

Strokers in Palm Harbor has 4 GCs that have all been shimmed up. Every last one of them play completely different.

Not to say that a GC isnt a fine table, it is. I wish I had room in my home for one :thumbup:, but I just prefer the consistency from Diamond. They play tough, but if I missed the ball, I know why I missed it.

I will just pretend the 5" pocket GCs do not exist. You can miss the ball by 2 diamonds and it will go on those monstrosities. They're a joke.

As far as what RKC has hinted at about the Aramith balls, I havent noticed any more skidding with that set, than I have with centennials. Although the set we use for action at strokers is kept separate and quite clean.
 
Hi Brian;

Are you sure about that?

It's what their website claims: "The Aramith phenolic resin is manufactured in several varieties, going from the Premier quality to the PREMIUM to Super Aramith (which is used most in high-precision carom balls) and Super Aramith PRO, used for the top-of-the-line pool balls. "

Brian
 
And exactly what angle would that be? Brunswick uses a wider angle than Diamond does, and the wider the angle is, the more the ball will bounce back and forth in the jaws of the pocket...did you know that? So, Diamond should change their pocket angles and make them easier for players like you?...hmmmm....I guess they could make them bigger upon request...you looking to order a new Diamond...one you can make balls on?:grin:

You know whos pocket angles I like Glenn! And your angles are wider than his. As far as ability goes, I know what a well hit ball is. I've monied in a few big regional events.
 
17 pages and counting because of a missed ball.

Also, RKC, your posts have lightened up as the thread has evolved...but your original post bashing the OP was out of line and totally unfounded. You do great work and you've done some good things for pool, but when people challenge you or Diamond you seem to absolutely blow up. If you are so confident in your product and service, let those do the talking and dont' start viciously going after people, labeling them as shit starters just because you don't like what they said.
 
You know whos pocket angles I like Glenn! And your angles are wider than his. As far as ability goes, I know what a well hit ball is. I've monied in a few big regional events.

Yeah...yeah...yeah....I know, you like pocket angles like the walls of a hallway....parallel to each other...like Ernesto does....but...you should really learn the difference between pocket "angles" and pocket "openings" before you start talking your BS....in fact, what "angles" do you like....put a number on them...IF...you can;) And "monied" in pool tournaments....DON"T make you any smarter about how pool tables play...just so you know!
 
17 pages and counting because of a missed ball.

Also, RKC, your posts have lightened up as the thread has evolved...but your original post bashing the OP was out of line and totally unfounded. You do great work and you've done some good things for pool, but when people challenge you or Diamond you seem to absolutely blow up. If you are so confident in your product and service, let those do the talking and dont' start viciously going after people, labeling them as shit starters just because you don't like what they said.

Alright...then it's YOUR turn....;):rotflmao1:
 
i <3 bucket pockets :thumbup::thumbup:

Gotta speak english around here Peter...or we may not know what you're talking about...then...we might just be like a bunch of other people around here...not knowing what THEY are talking about...got that?:grin:
 
Don't know the exact angles. Not a tech geek. I'm a pool player that thinks the tables at the old Hollywood Billiards and many of the tables set up by Ernesto are the best playing tables. My opinion. His pocket angles on the 4 inch pockets are awesome. Don't know how anyone can talk badly about them, but you seem to.
 
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