Are my teammates cheating??? What would you do???
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FLICKit said:
It may sound bogus, but it's not. I personally know every single person (they all play in my APA league and are regulars at the bar where these singles boards took place) that was involved in this scenario. The ladies that won the boards were a SL2 and a SL3. They were playing against players that were SL4, SL5, and even one SL6. They could not have both, on consecutive days, beaten these players. Besides that, if you read the original thread you would have seen that the one woman admitted to me FIRSTHAND that this scenario had occured. Do you think she would have made up some story like that if she had beaten these people legitimately?
To those who don't think that people won't spend/waste $120 (total) to send a family member/friend to a Regional playoff I say: You gotta be kiddin' me, right? $120 is chump change to a LOT of people.
I will say this again, as I have said on many previous posts concerning cheating and/or sandbagging: I can't figure out for the life of me why anyone would want to join a league set up primarily for fun and socializing (APA), a league of mere amateurs, feel the need to cheat to get some cheap jollies of a CHANCE to go to a Regional tournament or even to Vegas. Jeesh, if you want to go to Vegas that bad, find your nearest Travel Agent and buy yourself a ticket for chrissakes!!!
It seems like whatever endeavor I find myself in, there's always one or more a$$holes tryin' to take the fun out of it by the NEED TO WIN AT ALL COSTS. Can't we just try our best, have some fun and laughs and be happy with where our true talents lie???
Maniac
Maniac said:
If this is all true, and respectfully, I am still skeptical, how did they talk all these people into doing this? There is also the person running the qualifier so we are talking about 8 people spending an afternoon helping one person qualify for a qualifier. What's in it for them?
I could be wrong, but is there a chance that these women are messing with you? I know, women messing with men's heads never happens.
Just supposing....how many poeple know any SL2 who is a good enough shot to sandbag being a 2?
Da Poet said:If this is all true, and respectfully, I am still skeptical, how did they talk all these people into doing this? There is also the person running the qualifier so we are talking about 8 people spending an afternoon helping one person qualify for a qualifier. What's in it for them?
I could be wrong, but is there a chance that these women are messing with you? I know, women messing with men's heads never happens.
I guess I should clear all the confusion up in the matter of why they (the ones that dogged their matches) did this. All the participants here were either family or very good friends. It was husbands and in-laws that were throwing their matches. Even the bar owner that ran the singles board is good friends with all the ones mentioned here. Hell, knowing her, she could have had something to do with it all. My chain has NOT been pulled. This is a small, out of the way, bar/tavern with a pretty distinct group of regular cutomers/league shooters that frequent the place. I don't understand why this concept of cheating is so hard for some of you to believe. To answer your question of what's in it for them is that they get to see their wives/family members play in a Regional tournament that they would otherwise not have a chance in hell of ever getting into. I've seen a whole lot worse crap go on for a whole lot less at stake!!!
And, I'm not the least bit distraught. I just wondered if anybody here even considers this scenario cheating and how do they feel about it and what would they do. I don't give a fat rat's a$$ about it personally because I don't play in singles boards at all and don't give a darn if I ever play in a Regional tournament. I just play APA for a night out on the town to socialize, throw back some Crown Royal, and shoot a few games of pool with somebody other than my wife. It's just that I lost a little respect for a couple of my teammates that I have always considered honest players.
Sometimes you start a new thread and end up wishing the hell you never did. Sometimes it's a little painful to contribute on this board when people stop just short of calling you a liar.
Shoot well, my friends.
EDIT: And no...I'm not angry or upset. I don't need a "chill pill". I'm O.K., your'e O.K. and let's just leave it at that.
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It's always been.
but they were called Hustlers in the old days. It's always about perceptions.
As far as the women - What's more important - Fairness or being nice???
Let's see - would I want a wife who was always nice, but cheated on me, or one that was fair in all respects, but not particularly a pleasant person all the time ....
bigpocket said:LOL. Being a sandbagger. Is starting to be a art form.
but they were called Hustlers in the old days. It's always about perceptions.
As far as the women - What's more important - Fairness or being nice???
Let's see - would I want a wife who was always nice, but cheated on me, or one that was fair in all respects, but not particularly a pleasant person all the time ....
I play APA but try not to take it too seriously else it will make you nuts. When I get the APA magazine that lists the nationals winners in the purple tier or whatever (2-3s?), I always think there's something of an oxymoron there. I mean how can you aspire to be the best 3 in the country? I know they'll say they don't sandbag and that's just the rating given to them, but I think being the best in a lower handicap division must have implicit sandbagging consideration. I mean these people are saying to themselves "would I rather not even qualify as a 4 or 5 or win as a 3?" Guess that's APA.
Did you know to level the playing field you can have :
1-2-3 only qualifiers,also open, men only, ladies only etc.!!! also there is a 4 players minimum. you still pay 120 for board. I also think why bother embarrasing yourself by buying a board. If you can not win a spot you are dead meat!
If you want to play no handicap there is a master division available.
I heard a rumor the ratings to stay same but there will be a maximun of 7 to count towards 23 rule in 9 ball!!! In other words 9 ball still 75 for a sl9 yes. but 7max will count towards 23 rule.
1-2-3 only qualifiers,also open, men only, ladies only etc.!!! also there is a 4 players minimum. you still pay 120 for board. I also think why bother embarrasing yourself by buying a board. If you can not win a spot you are dead meat!
If you want to play no handicap there is a master division available.
I heard a rumor the ratings to stay same but there will be a maximun of 7 to count towards 23 rule in 9 ball!!! In other words 9 ball still 75 for a sl9 yes. but 7max will count towards 23 rule.
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axejunkie said:
I've seen 2-3 skill level play at the National Championships. They are not superstar 4 or 5 level players like many assume. In fact, they're pretty accurately a good strong 3, with a little bit of smarts about good safety play. I've seen hill/hill match with $15,000 for the winner, where 1 player has 4 open balls for the run out and the opponent has 3. Player 1 makes 2 balls, then messes up. Player 2 makes 1 ball, then misses as well. Then Player 1 seals the deal and wins the money. Not superstellar play at that level, but a very fair representation.
Skill level 4-5 tier has much better play. And Skill level 6-7 tier is even stronger.
Fact is, not everyone who plays pool will ever achieve stellar performance, or even have the desire to. Many pool playing people prefer to play for fun. Excluding them would exclude a very noticeable portion of the pool playing community. As a result, this APA National format that gives them a legitimate chance to compete for and win $15,000 is the best opportunity for them, bar none. Better opportunity than them playing in any other sanctioned tournament, and better opportunity than them playing in typical bar tournaments, which will usually have 4 or 5 skill level players or better as is often the case, and for much much less money.
As everything in life, there will likely be naysayers or people with opposing agendas, who prefer to be negative and destructive. Sobeit... For them, I say find some place that will make you happy, because we should all want to build up and grow the pool community and opportunities, not destroy it.
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Ditto. You also can't excel shooting against people who aren't playing to the best of their ability.1pRoscoe said:
There are plenty of people there, who will more than challenge you. Unless of course, you're a pro.Sweet Marissa said:
As a matter of fact, I've play in matches, where opponent breaks in game 1 and runs out. Player gets 8 ball break on game 2. Player breaks in game 3 and then runs out. Then player breaks in game 4 and runs out. Then player breaks and makes nothing in game 5, which I proceed to run out... Next game I hook em, he kicks at it, makes it in the desired pocket, and then runs out again.
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Maniac said:
All I can say is sheesh, what a psychotic and bizzare waste of time by these folks, never mind the money.
Talk about missing the point!
I recently won one of these regional qualifiers, and I have to admit, I was shocked at how far some of these people came for this thing. Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin. I was thinking for what it cost them to play in this regional, with room and meals, for another $100 they could have gone to Vegas anyways.
Strange.
Sweet Marissa
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I've played a couple leagues, and got tired of people sandbagging. It's a waste of time.FLICKit said:
Da Poet said:All I can say is sheesh, what a psychotic and bizzare waste of time by these folks, never mind the money.
Talk about missing the point!
I recently won one of these regional qualifiers, and I have to admit, I was shocked at how far some of these people came for this thing. Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin. I was thinking for what it cost them to play in this regional, with room and meals, for another $100 they could have gone to Vegas anyways.
Strange.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it was a waste of time, who am I to say? But that said, I was also thinking along the same lines. An APA regional event is far from what I would consider to be a prestigious event.
From what I've seen, the regional fields for the 2-3 skill levels are typically very small. The last time I was at one, they had 6 players playing for one trip to Vegas. And if I remember correctly, the 2-3 bracket in Vegas usually doesn't have more than 25-30 players. With the money they give away out there, it would be more than worth it to "buy" a board.
And for the record, I've seen it done as well. A strong local player bought a board and had his buddies play it out just for fun.
And for the record, I've seen it done as well. A strong local player bought a board and had his buddies play it out just for fun.
