Are Players Responsible For......

poolbiz420

poolbiz420

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I have one little rant I have to go on before the end of the year, it's been bothering me since November and last night someone said I should post it so here it is. We will start in November at a Viking Stop, there was a player auction being held and I wanted to purchase this certain player. We will just call him ML, so i was able to get this player for $125 which he is a good player and worth that much. I go and see if ML would like to buy have himself back and he him-haws around about it and never gives me a definate answer. Tournament starts and his match gets called and ML loses then goes to the tournament director and says i forfeit my other match because i'm gonna go over to the next city and play in their weekly tournament. I was in the middle of a match myself and when i was done one of my friends told me what ML did. My blood right then began to boil, it kind of ticked me off as a bidder of player autions and as a pool player. I calmed down over the weeks until last night when at another tournament out of town i run into ML again and watch him go for like $70 in this aution ( I did not bid on him this time). Knowing that if he loses his first match this person who bought him could be out $70 like i was out my money. Now i might not be in the right to be mad about this but it just get's to me and maybe it shouldn't. I know when you bid in the autions you run certain risks but i feel a risk you should not have to run is being walked like that. So there is my rant i appreciate anyone who takes the time to read this and watch who you bid on in the autions and definatly watch out for ML!!!

Biz
 
I think ML wouldn't have made it to the next tourny that night if it was me that just bought him. Not unless he had 3 spare tires in his trunk. ;) That is a bummer, but it seems you have to accept what could happen and who knew ML would pull this stunt. Especially not telling you. I never saw this happen and it would be a nice rule that if a player forfeits, you would get part of your money back in the auction but..... Be nice if I was rich too.

ez
 
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it pays to know the personnality of the player you buy. they may be champions but they almost all have problems. wether it's chemical dependancy , betting on sports, or just a plan nut job. if he doesn't take himself for half then he is not very confident or knows he may be a little shakey to be around. he may have lost and had a tough road on the one lose side and went somewhere else because the better players were still in, who knows. i bought a player a while back and he had to come back sunday to play the final 8 and he wasn't going to because he was supposed to have dinner with his grandma. come on!! this was a guy that plays as a profession. he also didn't buy half himself. he did come back, took second and i gave him 10 bucks for dinner and my aggravation. hope this helps. and as far as what the player gets out of it, he giets half the auction money if he places and he buys half himself. at most tournaments with good players the auction is worth more than the tournament if ya win. later and happy new year.
 
This has happened to me, too. I wasn't happy about it, but accepted it.

Not too different than if you bet on the wrong horse in the Kentucky Derby. If your horse doesn't feel like running that day, you're out of luck and there's nobody to whom you can protest.

My regrets for your hardship, but I'd say that this is a fundamental hazard of buying players in a calcutta.
 
poolhall maven said:
What does the player get out of it when you buy him?
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Nothing. Unless he buys half of himself. If he buys half of himself and wins, then he receives half of the money. You receive the other half.
 
sjm said:
This has happened to me, too. I wasn't happy about it, but accepted it.

Not too different than if you bet on the wrong horse in the Kentucky Derby. If your horse doesn't feel like running that day, you're out of luck and there's nobody to whom you can protest.

My regrets for your hardship, but I'd say that this is a fundamental hazard of buying players in a calcutta.
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Yea that pretty much sums it up.

However, knowing somewhat made an investment on you , it shows lack of character if you aske me.
 
I can't belive that happend...It must have been the first time in history someone has done that...:rolleyes:

Seriously...(as others have already said) part of buying a player in a calcutta is gambling on if they are going to finish....or pull up...

IMO...The experienced (aka professional) calcutta bidders do thier "homework" and know who to buy and not to buy...
 
sjm said:
This has happened to me, too. I wasn't happy about it, but accepted it.

Not too different than if you bet on the wrong horse in the Kentucky Derby. If your horse doesn't feel like running that day, you're out of luck and there's nobody to whom you can protest.

My regrets for your hardship, but I'd say that this is a fundamental hazard of buying players in a calcutta.
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I agree with ya. It doesn't go down any easier, but what can you do.

Buyers have screamed and yelled at me before demanding their money back and seem to insist that since I'm the auctioneer, that it is my fault. Like you say, one of the hazards.
 
[ I know when you bid in the autions you run certain risks but i feel a risk you should not have to run is being walked like that. So there is my rant i appreciate anyone who takes the time to read this and watch who you bid on in the autions and definatly watch out for ML!!!

Biz[/QUOTE]

In these situations I ask myself two Questions -
Is the player legally obligated to the bidder?
Is the player morally obligated to the bidder?
As a general rule obligation comes from duty owed.Duty comes from contract either written or verbal.
Answer to my first question: He is NOT legally obligated because there are no written contracts about the relationship between the player and a bidder.
Answer to my second question:if a player assures/promisses the bidder verbally about the continued participation till he looses he then is morally obligated.In the absence of such understandings the player is not obligated.
I never got involved in calcuttas in my life.It is doing buisiness on the cattle.cattle could drop dead any time after you buy them.:cool:
 
The calcutta is nothing more than gambling. You gambled on the wrong guy, not his fault.
 
One of the pool halls i frequent has a Sunday Handicap tournament and one of the guys who usually wins or places in the money sometimes pulls this crap.

But the lady who owns the pool hall told me what to look out for. Because she said, if he is playing on his own money, then he is here to win. If he has someone backin him, then he doesnt give to craps. Plus he has to goto 10 or 11 i think, while most guys goto half of that. She also told me alot of the time he wont buy himself for half, but still expects half of the calcutta.

which is one of the many reasons why i wont bid on said person, and also dont play in this tournament.
 
Betting on people

Doesn't really matter that it is pool, when you bet on people you are taking even more of a chance than betting on anything else. Does the player intend to see the night through? As others have said, you need to know who you are buying. If they aren't pretty interested in themselves or at least buying half back you are probably out the coin for one reason or another.

Hu
 
Here is how we solved this problem in Alaska. First of all, the player MUST be in the room to be involved in the calcutta. (Remember the calcutta is only a "side pot" and only those involved can receive the money.)

If a player quits the tournament, he must pay the calcutta buyer the amount of money paid before they can participate in another calcutta. One time we banned a player for one year from "major" events. It happened a couple of times but this seemed to resolve the problem.

I do not totally agree with the "its gambling" argument. The promoter or pool room owner is trying to provide a service for his customers. It is wrong for a selfish player to disrupt this process. Remember, a player can not participate in the calcutta by announcing he does not wish to be involved, or simply walk out of the room when he is being auctioned.

Just my thoughts.

Mark Griffin
 
Mark Griffin said:
Here is how we solved this problem in Alaska. First of all, the player MUST be in the room to be involved in the calcutta. (Remember the calcutta is only a "side pot" and only those involved can receive the money.)

If a player quits the tournament, he must pay the calcutta buyer the amount of money paid before they can participate in another calcutta. One time we banned a player for one year from "major" events. It happened a couple of times but this seemed to resolve the problem.

I do not totally agree with the "its gambling" argument. The promoter or pool room owner is trying to provide a service for his customers. It is wrong for a selfish player to disrupt this process. Remember, a player can not participate in the calcutta by announcing he does not wish to be involved, or simply walk out of the room when he is being auctioned.

Just my thoughts.

Mark Griffin
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I wish some of the calcuttas I've been involved with were run like that. Great solution as far as not being in the room!!!
I have asked to be removed from the calcutta before because I wasn't sure if I was going to stay the whole way through or maybe not return the next day. I have had td's put me in the pool, keep me completely out and auction me anyways despite my warning. I won't go into the ways that these situations ended, but I will say that the reasons why I enter a tournament and my expectations and responsiblities are soley mine. I have entered many tournaments without knowing for sure if I would finish the event. I look at it this way. As long as I am the one paying the entry fee and I inform the td of any possibility of not finishing the event, it is totally up to me what I do. JMO
 
one problem with Calcuttas

Your post and Mark's both point out one of the major problems with Calcuttas. There are no standardized rules. Often a player has no option but to pay the minimum bid on himself into the Calcutta if nobody else bids on him. Sometimes the buyer if different from the player has no option but to sell the player half if they want it. Variations are near endless and one reason that it will be hard to find any consensus except buyer beware.

It would be great if bidders were protected from quitters and this would make them much more willing to bid higher resulting in bigger pay outs.

Hu

dogginda9 said:
I wish some of the calcuttas I've been involved with were run like that. Great solution as far as not being in the room!!!
I have asked to be removed from the calcutta before because I wasn't sure if I was going to stay the whole way through or maybe not return the next day. I have had td's put me in the pool, keep me completely out and auction me anyways despite my warning. I won't go into the ways that these situations ended, but I will say that the reasons why I enter a tournament and my expectations and responsiblities are soley mine. I have entered many tournaments without knowing for sure if I would finish the event. I look at it this way. As long as I am the one paying the entry fee and I inform the td of any possibility of not finishing the event, it is totally up to me what I do. JMO
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i always try to get at least half of myself. not too costly since i go for about $0.50. when betting on others though, i will only bet on people i deem to be competitive enough that i can at least get my money's worth. no sense in betting on 2 slugs.
M.C.
 
poolbiz420 said:
autions...... aution...... autions....... autions
Biz
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I always forget the t in the. some people seem to forget c's.....:D I"m just kidding. On topic, it was a gamble, you rolled the dice and got the big snake eyes. Just a lesson learned.

Tony
 
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