Article on "What's holding pool back"

Keith Jawahir

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If you think gambling and scandalous behavior is what holds professional pool back, you’re wrong

June 21, 2016
AC Henry


In the 1920s, Ralf Greenleaf and Willie Hoppe Dominated pool and billiards and rivaled Babe Ruth for sports page headlines. People filled arenas to watch them play and they were as famous as the most popular actors and athletes of their time.

In 1954, Willie Mays hit .345 with 41 home runs, 110 RBIs, and won the MVP while leading the New York Giants to a World Series Victory over the Cleveland Indians. Oh, and there was “The Catch”. He earned $12,500.00, or about four times the national average for the rest of America.

Also in 1954, Willie Mosconi ran 526 Balls in an exhibition in Springfield Ohio, and he dominated the World Championship of pool for fifteen years. Willies salary is not public record, but suffice it to say that between tournaments and exhibitions for Brunswick, it was at least comparable to other athletes of the era.

For the next forty years, the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, boxers, tennis players, and golfers all saw salaries and purses rise to unthinkable amounts while pool players still earn money comparable to what their predecessors made decades earlier.

Why? To start with, they continued to reach more fans year after year while pool reached less.
If you ask the average pool fan or enthusiast today, why pool continues to lag behind other competitive sports when it comes to earning potential, the two most common responses are gambling, and scandalous characters. That sounds fine, but it is wrong.

Baseball survived the Black Sox scandal in 1919 when the World Series was fixed.

Paul Hornung and Alex Karas were suspended from the NFL for a season for betting on football.
The NBA had a referee on the take by gamblers and bookies less than ten years ago.
Anyone who has ever watched more than six horse races has seen one fixed, and how comfortable would you be if you had to argue that no fighter ever took a dive and Don King never influenced a decision?

As for scandalous behavior, every sport competed in today has been subject to stories of corruption and cheating from its World Champions right down to youth sports. Stories of rape, murder, drugs and infidelity, cheating, point shaving and taking dives have been tied to athletes for over a hundred years, but people still fill stadiums and bet on the outcomes.
If you want to answer the question of why the average MLB player made four million dollars in 2015, while the top American pool player earned 5% as much, you must ask yourself first, where do athlete’s incomes really come from.

A few years ago, I had a conversation with a MLB scout that I have known for years, and that conversation changed how I think about athlete compensation. The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim had just agreed to pay free agent Albert Pujols $240,000,000 over ten years. I suggested to my friend that they had grossly overpaid for a player who at best had four more big years and would decline in performance thereafter.

My friend chuckled at my naivety. The television money coming over the next few years, he told me, would be in the billions instead of millions. He suggested that by the fourth year of his contract, when I had suggested his numbers would start to diminish, the new TV money would make Puhols salary seem average. He was right.

It was at that moment that I realized who actually pays professional athletes and why salaries have continued to climb, and indirectly, why pool had missed the boat.

In 1954, when Willie Mays made his $12,500, Major League Baseball owners paid the salaries of their players based on ticket sales, and they didn’t have to compete for players, because once drafted, a player had only one team he could play for unless traded. Before free agency, a player was stuck with whatever the team thought he should make.

Willie Mosconi was in much the same boat. Tournament purses were a direct reflection of player entry fees, a few sponsors, plus whatever the promoter could take in for seat sales, and whatever he determined the players value was.

In a nutshell, from the 1960s on, salaries and purses in professional sports grew in direct response to television contracts, and television contracts grew because of advertising dollars. Albert Puhols makes two thousand times what Willie Mays made in 1954 because advertisers pay astronomical amounts for advertising time during events.

Successful professional sports from baseball to boxing learned that if they provided the viewers, the advertisers would pay for access to the viewers, and THAT is what pool missed. While baseball, football, basketball football, tennis, golf, boxing, and all the other legitimate professional sports in this country were building an entertaining package that was interesting to watch both live and on television and driving up viewership numbers that could be sold to advertisers, pool promoters were still trying to make their income from green fees and a few industry specific sponsors. Advertisers pay event promoters and leagues by the viewer. Most sports understand that the way to generate large revenues and turn profits is by providing quality programming of entertaining competition. The more viewers they can draw in, the more revenue is generated. And, unlike in 1954, the owners and promoters understand that the higher the purses and salaries, the more interest is generated, and that directly translates to higher incomes for themselves. Ironically, the biggest change in professional sports in the last generation is that the athletes used to work hard to make the owners and promoters money so they were valuable enough to be paid more themselves. Now, the owners and promoters work hard to make the athletes more money, because that raises their own incomes both directly and indirectly through advertising revenue.

I have repeated this so many times in the past couple of years that I am afraid it is becoming cliché and losing the weight of its importance. Pool promoters that count on player entry fees and PPV to make their income are missing the boat altogether.

If the NFL only promoted their product to football players, you could hold the Super Bowl in a High school stadium, and advertising would cost a hundred dollars per column inch in the program. Instead, they are filling the biggest stadiums ever constructed, making billions on advertising and television rights, and ads cost $4.5 million for thirty seconds.

So what should pool do now? Well, the bad news is that the rest of the sports entertainment world has a fifty year head start and market share won’t come easy.
However, there is reason for optimism.

Pool is a very dynamic sport with many different game variations and a very colorful history and some very interesting and unbelievably talented players. The main obstacle right now is that most of the promoters and players don’t understand how competitive the game of sports entertainment is, or how to play it. They are busy playing bumper pool while other major sports are running racks.

Something encouraging has happened in the last few years. With the tech boom came the ability to broadcast events without millions of dollars in equipment. It started with a camera over a table and has progressed to something more and more viewable.

Like many others, I had taken the live stream of tournaments for granted. I had assumed that some guy set up a camera and microphone and flipped the switch to On, and we all got to watch matches and trade barbs and comments in the chat box.

In March of 2015, I took the trip out to The Rum Runner Lounge in Las Vegas Nevada. Daniel Busch of Point of View (POV) Pool was scheduled to simultaneously broadcast the Andy Mercer Memorial Pool Tournament from the Rum Runner and a three cushion tournament taking place the same weekend in L.A. and he was short handed.

Naively, I thought I would use Daniel as an Excuse to go to Vegas and sweat a great tournament and have a few beers.

What I actually got was a lesson about how much goes into the streams that we all take for granted.

I won’t bore you with the technical details that I don’t understand myself, but it was about a hundred times more work than I had ever considered. Expensive equipment has to be transported, set up, and tested, Banners of sponsors have to be hung where they are viewable and won’t get in anyone’s way, pictures of participants taken for social media, interviews and guest commentators, etc. The point is, guys like Daniel and The POV crew have created a media venue and they are increasing interest in the game. Tournaments and players and equipment brands that were known to very few just a few years ago, are now some of the driving brands in the industry.

The point I am trying to make is that free steamers Like POV Pool, the Mezz Weststate tour, and so many others both here on the west coast and across the country are driving viewers to the game and increasing interest. I believe the PPV model of charging viewers for the stream is premature at best, and possibly detrimental to the growth of pool as a professional sport. There are events where it certainly generates a little more revenue in the short term, but the long term goal should always be to drive more viewers to the game. It has been suggested more than once recently that the streamers should be paying the players for using their images to earn exaggerated sums of money. To that I say this: They are not earning nearly what has been stated by some, and they should probably be paid by the tournaments for creating interest that could someday be turned into revenue. On top of that, there has not been enough exposure yet for any player to generate viewership.

The difference between pool and the so-called legitimate sports that are generating large revenues for both competitors and owner/promoters is organization and purpose. Other sports all have player unions or trade organizations so that their best interest can be focused by elected or hired representatives, and organizations of owner/promoters into a coalesced body of rules and regulations that govern play and promotions, and a regularly scheduled set of meetings between them all to discuss the future plans of their prospective sport. They can disagree on details and on dividing the revenue, but they all know that the best interest of their sport is what’s best for all of them.

If I had to make one suggestion to get the whole thing rolling in the right direction, it would be this:
I propose that a letter go out to all professional players, tournament promoters, broadcasters and streamers, and a potential list of writers, stating that a general meeting should be held to form a trade organization for the promotion of professional pool, to be made up of representatives of each discipline, for the discussion and planning of the growth of the sport.

Ultimately, what I believe is that someday, someone will figure out how to make the players rich, and will get rich in the process.
 
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d0ser

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I agree 110%. It's crazy that these organizers and promoters are asking upwards of $80 to pay per view and then the production quality is basically garbage. I only ever watch the mosconi cup, world pool masters, and world cup of Pool because they actually know what they're doing.
 

denzilla171

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While I generally agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, I couldn't disagree more with the idea that forming some sort of trade organization is the solution. If anything should be perfectly clear it is that the current players, promoters, and producers don't have a clue how to bridge the gap to mainstream appeal... or they would have already done it.

It's going to take a different mindset, one geared toward "entertainment" for the non-pool player. The Matchroom Sports productions (Mosconi Cup, World Pool Master, etc) have had moderate success in this regard, they've done so with high production values, but more importantly a "story" that the average person can relate to, i.e. this country vs that country.

For open tournaments the situation is a little different, and no one has come close to shaping or presenting one of these things into a mass-appeal entity. They are structured by pool players for pool players to be watched by pool players. For everyone else it's boring as hell. Sure, you or I might enjoy watching a stream of Shane vs Orcollo in a race to 50, but no non pool player is gonna sit through that, and thus no advertiser is gonna pay for it.

The whole structure of tournaments and presentation needs to be changed, tailored for TV, not for the players. The templates are out there, look at golf fer chrissakes, that is not an exciting game to watch other people play, but millions do...
 

CBW

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I always thought one of the biggest reason is that pool isn't a spectator sport. As much as I love shooting, watching it for any length is a real chore. Golf technically isn't any better but at least the course/views changes.
 

jburkm002

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Pool whether interesting or not. Will never be viewed if potential viewers don't know the players.

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JAM

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The BCA was supposed to have that role in pool, but they sold the league and put professional pool out to rot like an orphan. BCA carries a lot of blame for what has happened to professional pool, IMO. It is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about for fear of offending a so-called industry member.

And don't get me started on the WPA. What a joke!
 

Colonel

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The BCA was supposed to have that role in pool, but they sold the league and put professional pool out to rot like an orphan. BCA carries a lot of blame for what has happened to professional pool, IMO. It is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about for fear of offending a so-called industry member.

And don't get me started on the WPA. What a joke!



There you go confusing the issues with facts.

But, but, the WPA has such a wonderful buffet available at the World Championships in that fabulous tourist spot Qatar that just everyone wants to visit.
 

dardusm

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Interesting article. The NFL could never sell a seat to a game live and still make billions because of the TV contract. It has been built up over the years. The key is that there is a collective organization that creates a viable product. With pool, there isn't one. In the past, others have tried such as Camel tour, IBT, Bonus Ball, etc. But the game/sport wasn't marketed correctly. Look at what Barry Hearn has done with snooker and darts. And his few events in pool, the Mosconi Cup and Master series are highly successful.

I think a successful professional tour is viable under the right circumstances. Unfortunately, it isn't here yet. There is no return of investment for a tour. Why would I invest money into a project without hope of making it back with interest? Smart business isn't going to do that until that question can be answered. Creating demand through free streams imo isn't enough. There has to be an organized effort to create a product deemed valuable to potential sponsors to create that ROI.
 

greyghost

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There you go confusing the issues with facts.

But, but, the WPA has such a wonderful buffet available at the World Championships in that fabulous tourist spot Qatar that just everyone wants to visit.

we could host the world championships in tenessee. SEV and I will cook......it would be marvel team up worthy....like if effren had gotten US citizenship and had been playing teams with earl back in their prime...... that qatar food would get the orange crush.

so good it'll give you ptsd....live life in a depressed blur till next year....crying in your egg mc muffin
 

Johnnyt

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Pool is too boring for TV. Make casino gambling legal on pool and watch it grow on TV. NASCAR has crashes, Boxing has blood and knockouts, hockey has fights,...pool has ,shoot a ball into a pocket. Plus it's VERY SLOOOOW compared to most sports. Johnnyt
 

Sev

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we could host the world championships in tenessee. SEV and I will cook......it would be marvel team up worthy....like if effren had gotten US citizenship and had been playing teams with earl back in their prime...... that qatar food would get the orange crush.

so good it'll give you ptsd....live life in a depressed blur till next year....crying in your egg mc muffin

They might not be able to handle the Triple B. Bacon, bourbon and beer.
Then there would be the problem of CTE. Continually trying to eat. The tables and floor would be a mess. The remains of prawns and biscuits and gravy everywhere.
Yup. I am pretty sure the players would be struggling with a gastronomic overdose. :)

But hey. You cant put a price tag on good times and good food. :)
 

franko

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Bingo

Pool is too boring for TV. Make casino gambling legal on pool and watch it grow on TV. NASCAR has crashes, Boxing has blood and knockouts, hockey has fights,...pool has ,shoot a ball into a pocket. Plus it's VERY SLOOOOW compared to most sports. Johnnyt

You took the words right out of my mouth. Wagering on football has brought multitudes of people in. Years ago you could not go into any busn. especially a Barber shop with out someone asking you if you wanted a ticket for the this weeks games. The tickets were the pick 3 to 10 teams and bet as little as a buck. People who knew nothing played them then watched the games to pick up the scores.
Today you have fantasy football taking over that market but it makes the NFL huge.

On another note I agree there needs to be a tour where people get to know the players. The thing I differ on is where the tour stops should be. Today everything major in Pool seems to be in Vegas the viewers are transient people , they need to bring Pool back to the cities that would have a real interest in the game, I am talking the blue collar towns.
 

jojopiff

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You took the words right out of my mouth. Wagering on football has brought multitudes of people in. Years ago you could not go into any busn. especially a Barber shop with out someone asking you if you wanted a ticket for the this weeks games. The tickets were the pick 3 to 10 teams and bet as little as a buck. People who knew nothing played them then watched the games to pick up the scores.
Today you have fantasy football taking over that market but it makes the NFL huge.

On another note I agree there needs to be a tour where people get to know the players. The thing I differ on is where the tour stops should be. Today everything major in Pool seems to be in Vegas the viewers are transient people , they need to bring Pool back to the cities that would have a real interest in the game, I am talking the blue collar towns.

Easier said than done regarding gambling. When the purse for the player isn't high enough to keep them from dumping, I highly doubt any casino will ever let significant money be bet on it. Online books might take action with $500 limit but illegal in US.

Not that anybuddy would do such a thing.
 

joelpope

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I always thought one of the biggest reason is that pool isn't a spectator sport. As much as I love shooting, watching it for any length is a real chore. Golf technically isn't any better but at least the course/views changes.
One big difference with golf is that all of the golfers are playing the course, versus the single to double elimination forms of pool so every hole is meaningful for every player. And, with multiple cameras and commentary the announcers can create drama and excitement meanwhile the viewer never has to wait more than 10 seconds to see a great or horrible shot. And, with instant replay, you never miss a great shot.

I don't know how you could structure pool scoring that way so you are stuck with sweating individual matches.

Anyone that has been to a major pool tournament and has tried to watch a half dozen matches simultaneously knows it is 1) more exciting than watching one match 2) takes a lot of focus to keep track of scoring and which table to watch when.

Maybe if they did pool like golf where the scores were always on the screen in a banner and the announcers were qued to comment on the most important shots from a few tables it might be better. Throw in instant replay and you have got something.

Gary Patrick from Xtremepoolchallenge.com typically streams 5 or more tables at a time with high def cameras and it is great to either switch between tables or put all 5 up on your screen. I strongly recommend you check XPC out. They announce streams on the AZ Billiards live stream forum.
 

Scaramouche

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Who or what suspends pool players for unethical behaviour?

Have you heard of:
Lance Armstrong
Maria Sharapova
Pete Rose
John Higgins
ad infinitum
 
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