Attn: Mr. Wilson and all American players

Grady

Pro Player
In the name of pool, I beg you Mr. Wilson, to not post anything from the WPA. Their letter or manifesto is a better word, if you ask me, is deeply insulting to all of us American players who gave our very lifeblood for our great sport. The only so-called world championships they will honor are ones promoted and sanctioned by them? Give me a f---ing break. You all know what's next. Qualify only in Europe or Asia and the "invited" few's numbers become less and less and on and on ad nauseum.
These arrogant creeps disgust me and all of you should feel the same way.
Ok, I have a proposal for everyone who really, really loves pool. I'll take these cretons on, glad to do it but I'm going to need some help. I'm starting an Org. for One Pocket, Bank Pool and 14.1. I'm pretty sure I can raise $100,000 from interested business because when everything is said and done, they'll (including me and my family pool room) suffer too. I plan a series of events in 09' where I'll do my level best to get Pat
Fleming and Accu-stats to come and film matches, just like the old days. Pat's quality commentators, too, would be there. Look, the longer Mitch and Alan do commentary and Barry Hearn and Matt Braun do 8 man invitationals, we'll all suffer. Charlie Williams is a joke, too. I can't forget him.
All right, I'm ready. Light into me all you want. This has to done and it looks like it's me who has to do it.

How's this for maybe what they'd send to me? "Mr. Mathews, while we're aware of your many accomplishments, it has come to our attention that your four World One Pocket titles were from events not featuring any European players and two of them didn't have the word world in them and none of the four were sanctioned by us, the only recognized body in pool."
 
Grady
The old days are over let it go...If you helped pool in america as much as you complain about it everyone in the world would be playing.
 
billiardspro said:
Grady
The old days are over let it go...If you helped pool in america as much as you complain about it everyone in the world would be playing.

Grady has a STRONG point. He's complaining for good reason. Everyone should be complaining. Sigel, Hopkins, Grady, Mizerak (RIP) whoever won a world title before the holier-than-thou WPA came about should have something to say.

To roll over and play dead on this is to be a sucker.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Grady has a STRONG point. He's complaining for good reason. Everyone should be complaining. Sigel, Hopkins, Grady, Mizerak (RIP) whoever won a world title before the holier-than-thou WPA came about should have something to say.

To roll over and play dead on this is to be a sucker.
I agree,its not right for this to be done.These Champions have earned there place,I think they need to be recognized and given a chance to compete.They can all still play at at a high level obviously,just look at what happened when Sigel and Schmidt played. :smile:
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Grady has a STRONG point. He's complaining for good reason. Everyone should be complaining. Sigel, Hopkins, Grady, Mizerak (RIP) whoever won a world title before the holier-than-thou WPA came about should have something to say.

To roll over and play dead on this is to be a sucker.
All im saying is lately all this guy is doing is complaining everytime he posts.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I agree,its not right for this to be done.These Champions have earned there place,I think they need to be recognized and given a chance to compete.They can all still play at at a high level obviously,just look at what happened when Sigel and Schmidt played. :smile:
Would you back Mike vs John in a long race say like 1500 for $10,000...I dont think you would find to many takers to back Mike in that race. Prob not even his buddy kevin
 
i agree with you grady fuk the WPA.
Billiardspro, if that WPA was all that and a bag of chips everyone in the world would be playing.


Ben
 
railfirst said:
i agree with you grady fuk the WPA.
Billiardspro, if that WPA was all that and a bag of chips everyone in the world would be playing.


Ben
Not saying that the WPA is all that. Every sancationing body could use some improvements some where im sure.
 
billiardspro said:
Would you back Mike vs John in a long race say like 1500 for $10,000...I dont think you would find to many takers to back Mike in that race. Prob not even his buddy kevin
I bet on Sigel in that match,not 10K but I did bet a few hundred so I put my money where my mouth is and Sigel won.I also lost putting money on Kirkwood against Schmidt.In a long race I do believe Sigel would win,I am sure if John wanted the game with Sigel in a long race Mike has the money to post on his own and would have no trouble finding a backer.I think John is a great player and certainly has a chance,but I just like Mike when it comes to 14.1.God built Mike Sigel to be a pool player,regardless of his big ego he is a one of the greatest players to ever have lived. :wink:
 
Yea this is a joke Siegel has no world titles and Earl only has one, I bet the upper level management of the WPA does not have one person who has won even a tournament of regional level. How can any American agree that Mosconi and Lassiter among many others are now to be considered just average players who couldn't win a world title, that is total Bull$$hit.

Leonard
 
billiardspro said:
Would you back Mike vs John in a long race say like 1500 for $10,000...I dont think you would find to many takers to back Mike in that race. Prob not even his buddy kevin


I don't see the pros TRIPPING over each other to gamble with Sigel or Hopkins. No matter who they are. Hoppy finished 5th the last two years at the world 14.1 and he doesn't even play anymore.

By the way, Schmidt and a group of us talked about this in depth the other day. He thinks it's funny how everyone wants to send him in against Sigel in 14.1.... as if Sigel can't put up a few 150's or 200's. No one is a lock against Sigel in that game.

These guys can PLAY.
 
How about those who want to help Grady in his brave venture get behind him and try to provide what he asks and those who don't like it just stay out of it and try to not bring down the building before the footings are set.

Billiardpro.. you are doing what is done every time somebody tries to do something... complain until it falls apart. DO something postive or just be quiet and try to not spoil something that might work if the nay-sayers would just give it a chance.

C'mon man.. you're not losing anything by just letting others give it a try. Why not stop knocking their action.
 
Grady said:
In the name of pool, I beg you Mr. Wilson, to not post anything from the WPA. Their letter or manifesto is a better word, if you ask me, is deeply insulting to all of us American players who gave our very lifeblood for our great sport. The only so-called world championships they will honor are ones promoted and sanctioned by them? Give me a f---ing break. You all know what's next. Qualify only in Europe or Asia and the "invited" few's numbers become less and less and on and on ad nauseum.
These arrogant creeps disgust me and all of you should feel the same way.
Ok, I have a proposal for everyone who really, really loves pool. I'll take these cretons on, glad to do it but I'm going to need some help. I'm starting an Org. for One Pocket, Bank Pool and 14.1. I'm pretty sure I can raise $100,000 from interested business because when everything is said and done, they'll (including me and my family pool room) suffer too. I plan a series of events in 09' where I'll do my level best to get Pat
Fleming and Accu-stats to come and film matches, just like the old days. Pat's quality commentators, too, would be there. Look, the longer Mitch and Alan do commentary and Barry Hearn and Matt Braun do 8 man invitationals, we'll all suffer. Charlie Williams is a joke, too. I can't forget him.
All right, I'm ready. Light into me all you want. This has to done and it looks like it's me who has to do it.

How's this for maybe what they'd send to me? "Mr. Mathews, while we're aware of your many accomplishments, it has come to our attention that your four World One Pocket titles were from events not featuring any European players and two of them didn't have the word world in them and none of the four were sanctioned by us, the only recognized body in pool."

Well stated Grady.

I think the main point is the WPA would very much like a monopoly on the "World Championship" title. Remember in the older days of boxing, when there was just one champion in every weight class? Then the WBA, the WBC, the IBF, the WBO, etc came upon the scene and even though there are now "splintered" titles with multiple champions, boxing is thriving and boxers are getting bigger and bigger purses (paydays, not literally purses :eek: ). My point is that if we have more than one sanctioning body in pool, then that means more tournaments, which means more potential paydays for more pro players. If the WPA could have it's way, I'm afraid that they would severley curtail many of the tournaments that other promoting bodies title "World Championships." Since our BCA wasn't too concerned about keeping the U.S. Open 14.1 Championship going or the World 9 Ball Championships going, I'm all for your idea. Also, I don't think the title "World Championship" is de-valued just because the WPA did not promote said event.

Here's hoping your plan works out just as you envision.
 
Here's a wild and crazy concept........


You want a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP????????


Make it an OPEN event and let the WORLD FIGHT IT OUT.....The best player wins.

How can they say the best player in the world wins it when it's a short list invite PAH----LEEEEEEEEEEZE.

PS. Their way, if they dislike a player... they can perma-blackball them from competition. It's a joke. OPEN IT UP YOU SCARED TO DEATH NITHEADS!
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Go get'm Grady. F-them. I agree with you.

first...............
Grady, I support you in your effort, and I feel the majority of AZB's will also. I agree with the above quote.:angry: :angry: :angry:
 
About two years ago on here I wrote a thread about having a National tour in the US for US players only (just like most other countries have). Well I got flamed pretty good for even thinking of doing that. Some said we would miss Efern and other great player from around the world. Others called me some unkind things that I'm still stinging from (NOT). Anyway, does an all US tour look any better now? Johnnyt
 
I am behind you 100% Grady. No one who has worked to accomplish something over the years ever wants those accomplishments diminished.

I sincerely hope that Mr Wilson doesn't post anything else like that on his website ever again.

Mike
 
AzHousePro said:
I am behind you 100% Grady. No one who has worked to accomplish something over the years ever wants those accomplishments diminished.

I sincerely hope that Mr Wilson doesn't post anything else like that on his website ever again.

Mike



:duck: ............:)
 
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