awesome free live stream for u.s. open
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I doubt it will be free but it will most likely be great if Pat Fleming is doing it. :smile:
Jerry Forsyth
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Pat and his entire Accu-Stats crew will be doing the stream from the U.S. Open. It will not be the same quality as the stream from Turning Stone, it will be MUCH better. At TS that was an example of what we call Accu-Stats Lite. At the U.S. Open it will be a full-blown Accu-Stats production with a large crew of cameras and cameramen and commentators including Jim Wych and Billy Incardona.
It will be PPV, but that is to be expected when the production costs this much to produce. That arena has to be trucked in and assembled, the staff goes from two to about a dozen, etc. Do tune in. We will be doing the AZBilliards Sports Desk with interviews after the matches where time allows.
It will be PPV, but that is to be expected when the production costs this much to produce. That arena has to be trucked in and assembled, the staff goes from two to about a dozen, etc. Do tune in. We will be doing the AZBilliards Sports Desk with interviews after the matches where time allows.
I buy many event streams, but the USO stream is one that I usually pass on. I just don't want to drop $50 or $60 for a stream. I don't remember exactly how much it is, but it's too much for me. $30 or $40 is fine, and I know you can buy individual days/sessions, etc, but I like to buy the whole thing and watch when I can, and that price range is just too much for me. I know that it costs money to deliver quality entertainment, and I appreciate the work that Accu-Stats does. Just one person's opinion.
I can guarantee if it's really $50 or $60 I'm out. Do people really pay that kind of money to watch pool streaming over the internet? That's the kind of money they get for a whole night of guys kickin' each others asses and people love to see that.
Honestly, I'd find $19.99 about the tops I'd pay for an entire weekend.
Curious to see what it turns out to be.
Honestly, I'd find $19.99 about the tops I'd pay for an entire weekend.
Curious to see what it turns out to be.
How about chipping in with a bunch of like minded friends? Bars around here are always showing foreign soccer matches. I would try to convince a bar or poolhall owner to buy and show it on large scree TVs and I'll attend as a customer.
@Oldzilla,
Is there any accu-stat license restriction that would prevent a bar or poolhall from buying a subscription for the purpose I mentioned?
@Oldzilla,
Is there any accu-stat license restriction that would prevent a bar or poolhall from buying a subscription for the purpose I mentioned?
There is merit I believe to being hedonistic and even selfish. I personalty would not deny myself something I really want just because of cost and in this case, a cost that will not change anyone life in the least. I don't consider it any kind of luxury to watch several days of pool from the comfort of my home with my own choice of refreshments with my wife. I would call it cheap entertainment.
Try going out to the movies and watch 90 minutes of some crap just for something to do on a Friday night and see what it will cost you. I guess I am to selfish to deny myself over a tiny amount of money. Heck, I know people who will sit in a house when it's 90 degrees without air conditioning because they don't want to pay the electric bill; while meantime they will pay $45.00 for a carton of cigarettes. We all have our priorities, I happen to love pool. For me it is not even a close call, $60, sign me up.
I can see if someone has a small monitor you can hardly see and a lousy internet connection but if someone is paying all that money for a fast internet connection, a 27" monitor, as I have just to watch live pool streams and not make use of it for something you really like, I don't get it.
I am of an age when way back me and my friends would drive for 24 straight hours to attend a tournament and see the stars, the internet was not even a thought yet. The idea of what is now available is like some kind of fantasy come true. It just astounds me people expect it for nothing. They may not be the fans they really think they are, not really.
You don't have to defend yourself I respect your choice, but you said $40.00 yes, $50.00 no, so we are only talking about $10.00 (Less then the cost of a bad pizza), being the difference for you to decide to do without something I know you really want. I just find it curious.
I need to add this, I am not watching pool streams because I feel some obligation or loyalty to support the sport; I get them because I am a selfish bastard who wants to see it on the cheap from home. I could not eat for one day at the US open for what it cost me watch it for the week form the comfort of my home.
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I'd love it if if my local pool hall did that and I would definitely support that. I'll check out the individual day costs, it's plausible that this is the solution. I don't necessariliy need to see ALL of the days, but definitely a few.
Does Accu-Stats offere a subscription based service so that you can receive all of their streamed content in one annual package?
I bought the USO stream last year. I don't recall how much it was, but a) it's not just a weekend, it's an entire week. b) It covers both the day and evening sessions. c) the production quality was fantastic (it's as good as watching the accu-stats dvd's months later). If that's not worth $50 or $70, then don't even bother talking about the USO stream.
C'mon, if you're willing to pay $20 for a weekend, which is really about a day and a half, most of the day saturday then a little on sunday... if you bought 3 weekend streams in a row, you'd have 6 days, at $60 ... so the price is exactly within your own logical reasoning.
The USO stream is totally worth it ... as is any major event stream I've purchased in the last 2 years.
C'mon, if you're willing to pay $20 for a weekend, which is really about a day and a half, most of the day saturday then a little on sunday... if you bought 3 weekend streams in a row, you'd have 6 days, at $60 ... so the price is exactly within your own logical reasoning.
The USO stream is totally worth it ... as is any major event stream I've purchased in the last 2 years.
I'm pretty sure you can buy 1 day for $10. If you don't want to drop $60 just pick a day that has some interesting matchups.
I gotta pipe in here as well and say that the pricepoint has always stopped me from buying the US-Open Stream. For short set 9-ball matches I don't get to pick I will pay ~30 for the event.
I wonder if Accustats might not actually make more money by dropping the price of the PPV and attracting far more viewers? I am sure Pepsi would be happy to have more people watching and IMO the thing this sport needs more then anything atm is MORE spectators and fans, not less. This sport is simply not in a position to justify that type of price point and exclusivity and the sponsors and the sport itself NEEDS as many people to start watching instead of limiting that number via a quite expensive PPV.
Make is a PPV if you must, but make it reasonably priced and get people watching this sport...
It is going to be awesome when the Pepsi-Co rep asks
Pepsi-Rep: "so, how many people are watching this thing live!"
Billy I: "Looks like 268 atm."
Pepsi-Rep "268 thousand, sweet, great work"
Billy I: "No, 268 people, total... but 430 PPV's were sold for the weekend, they are just not all online atm."
Pepsi-Rep: "Uhh... I gotta go make a phone call..."
The same people who say they would not pay $50.00 would not pay $15.00 either. In fact if it was free it would still only draw a minimum of viewers, certainly not enough to interest a real sponsor. Many streams are free and with a lot of the same players that will be at the open and I am not sure I have ever signed on and seen a thousand viewers. Always more like a few hundred at the most. The money has nothing to do with the lack of viewership, not really.
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Not true, I will be buying the TAR match tonight for the weekend for $35. I wont buy the US Open for $60. I probably "would" buy the US Open for the entire week for $30. You cannot talk for "EVERY" person who won't pay $50, some wont pay $15 either, but alot of people that would not pay $50 for the event would pay $30. It is simple economic theory and has been studied for centuries.
I just don't know the economics of a lot of these streams. In regard to the US Open does Barry put the stream rights out to bid or do they simply hire a streamer to do the event for a fee? If the streamer is not being paid and makes their money solely on PPV income and any sponsors they attract then they have to price the stream however they feel they need to in order to make a reasonable profit. If this is the case then I don't see why Accu-stats would consider Pepsi's wishes at all in making a decision if Pepsi is not giving money directly to Accu-Stats. If they have been contracted by the promoter to do the stream for a fee then it is the promoter who would make these decisions.
One thing I like about the Accu-stats package is the day/evening session pricing. This idea of micro-pricing was touched on in the TAR thread. IIRC last year it was $5 for an evening session. I took advantage of a few of those evening sessions because I could tune in when I got home from work. I probably spent $15- $20 over the course of the event. Had this not been available they would have gotten none of my money because I just couldn't watch enough of it to pencil out.
Another issue to me if I'm buying the whole thing is whether or not the semis and final are going to happen at a reasonable time. I'm not interested in buying a whole package if the final will still be going on at 2:30 in the morning.
One thing I like about the Accu-stats package is the day/evening session pricing. This idea of micro-pricing was touched on in the TAR thread. IIRC last year it was $5 for an evening session. I took advantage of a few of those evening sessions because I could tune in when I got home from work. I probably spent $15- $20 over the course of the event. Had this not been available they would have gotten none of my money because I just couldn't watch enough of it to pencil out.
Another issue to me if I'm buying the whole thing is whether or not the semis and final are going to happen at a reasonable time. I'm not interested in buying a whole package if the final will still be going on at 2:30 in the morning.
That's true to a degree. A cheap restaurant does 2 for 1 on Wednesday night they will have more business then usual and hopefully some will come back on a regular night and spend some money. The problem is, most don't. They just want cheap food with no regard to the quality. I can show you other restaurants that are very expensive and you have to make a reservation a month in advance. When the quality it there you don't need to give it away.
In regards to pool the "REAL" problem is lack of exposure. Who knows the US Open is even going on beyond the small circle of people on here and those who may read one of the few billiard publications. There are millions of players around the world who may not be fanatics but would watch the Open or at least a few nights of it if they knew it was happening. How do you get viewers for an event no one knows about? You mentioned Pepsi; that puts the cart before the horse.
Pepsi would need to use a few pool players with pool as a background and design a campaign around pool connecting it to their products. They are the ones with the power, not the pool promoters. It has to be a symbiotic relationship. Pepsi knows that, we don't need to tell them. They are the experts at promotion not the the pool industry. If they themselves are not going to do the promoting then why are they involved, if they really are.
I am no expert but is it possible to after you join you can watch it later at your convenience for say a month; because your situation is I am sure a common one. If there is going to be a match I would like to watch at say 3 mp I may not have time to watch. It would be nice for it to be like TiVo. I am sure that will have to be in the business plan in the future if they can't do it now.
I'll be paying for TAR for the weekend. $35 for a this matchup that's been well promoted and well produced? I can hardly resist. If they bumped it up to $60, I'd be out.
Netflix bumped their price too high and look what's happening to them right now. The right price is key.
Jerry Forsyth
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Well, it seems (according to this thread) that $40 is an acceptable price for a stream. And usually for that price you get two fixed cameras, insufficient lighting, etc. Those streams last for four days. Thurs-Sunday.
The last four days of the US Open are only $39.95 on Accu-stats and you get six moving cameras (real ones, not Walmart palm-sized cheapos) with cameramen, great lighting, the best players on the planet and commentators like Billy and Danny and Jim.
Can someone answer this question: Which is the better deal? I think I know, but I want to see if anyone disagrees. And the finals of the US Open are at 7PM, not at 2 in the morning.
The last four days of the US Open are only $39.95 on Accu-stats and you get six moving cameras (real ones, not Walmart palm-sized cheapos) with cameramen, great lighting, the best players on the planet and commentators like Billy and Danny and Jim.
Can someone answer this question: Which is the better deal? I think I know, but I want to see if anyone disagrees. And the finals of the US Open are at 7PM, not at 2 in the morning.