AZ Forum out of control...

Hey Zim....

Zims Rack said:
CB- I agree that there a lot more quality people on here than not! You are one of the ones I really enjoy reading about. Thank you!

Pharoah- sarcastic or not, I'm not sure! But this is exactly what I'm referring to. Is AZBilliards forum billiard related???? Wasn't my topic about AZBilliards forum????

For those of you that continue to scream "censorship" in regards to your children and what they read on a computer, you need to grow a set of balls and become a better, more aware parent of what you're children are doing. There are far worse things in this world than what they will read on this forum and I'd bet a paycheck that they have been to websites that would embarass you, the parent! Like me, if you allow your child to read over your shoulder, then they need to be aware of what an "ass" is, what "shit" is and all the other words that you'll find on here and the appropriate place and time to use them. For those of you that don't know, I have 4 kids, 14 year old son, 3 year old son and twin 16 month old girls... ALL of my kids know or will know and hear cuss words in my house and they know or will know right from wrong, when it's appropriate and not.

There are so many good people that are members of this forum that do not participate 1/2 as much as they did a few years ago, just because of some of the other members reactions and lack of respect.

I sincrely apologize if a few of the words in here does offend anyone, but you get my point!

Again, just venting!
Zim


I have to agree, I haven't posted any where near as much as I used to for that very reason.

Jaden.
 
Zims Rack said:
For those of you that continue to scream "censorship" in regards to your children and what they read on a computer, you need to grow a set of balls and become a better, more aware parent of what you're children are doing...

...I have 4 kids, 14 year old son, 3 year old son and twin 16 month old girls... ALL of my kids know or will know and hear cuss words in my house and they know or will know right from wrong, when it's appropriate and not.

Hey Zim,

For the most part, I agree with you about the forum and things do occasionally get a little out of hand. But, when one of your little girls gets to be about 2 or 3 years old and walks in to see you posting a message on the forum and sees a pic of a girl's butt hanging out of a thong, then your little daughter comments about it and tries to get her panties to do that, too... what might your opinion then be?? Are you gonna laugh at how cute it is? With all the predators out there, I'm not sure you'd want your little one running around showing her behind to everyone, because she thinks it's cute and since she saw it on your computer, it must be okay. Wait until she goes around telling (and showing!) all the neighbors what she saw on your computer. That might not go over too well.

Well, I've seen it happen and it ain't nice! Nobody meant for the little one to see anything, but she did (on THIS forum)... and she commented... and she mimicked. Nobody had a clue she was going to go running in at that particular time and nobody even paid attention to the image, but her. It was NOT at her house, so nobody was prepared for the accidental "viewing".

This forum is the most daring website we frequent. It might not be very daring to some, but to a little child, some of these avatars and pics make a big impression. And, sometimes, those impressions are very hard to get a child to let go of.

Most folks don't mean any harm, but it happens. That is why a little discretion not only shows respect for others, but also helps prevent such awful events. If you gotta show a behind, here's one to show...

behind2755.jpg

That's my dirty pic for the day. I hope the forum police don't shut me down for it.
 
Zims Rack said:
I've been and active member on this forum since 2003 and have seen alot of great posts and a lot of rediculous posts.

Moderators are trying to keep things on the up and up and flowing well on here, but some people are just asses! There are dedicated sections for various types of posts, this I personally like. It helps with clutter and organization.

Recently in the Main Forum a thread was started by another senior member about a cancer survivor and what happens... he's criticized by a relatively new poster because it's in the wrong or inappropriate section!!! This is outright BS!!!

If we are going to jump down someones throat for this type of post, yet still let others continue to bash others because they don't spell well, build cues the same way, teach a different system, charge more for this/that, have 1/2 naked avatars, etc...what has this forum coming to?

Who gives a crap if the person can't type perfectly, who cares if he/she uses a different type of glue on cue repairs, sets his/her prices too high or too low. When I came on this forum originally, there was tons, I mean TONS of quality posts to read and educate yourself on various billiard related subject matter. I have been a very active participant on this board and rarely, rarely post negative comments about things, I just keep them to myself. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.

However, on the flip side of that last sentence, I do like the threads that warn us of bad dealers, repairman, players, tournament directors, etc. But, that's information that needs to be out there to the public.

If you're going to post, it should be able to help the readers in a positive way, not just be some BS post that is 100% a negative PERSONAL opinion about someone.

Enough said, I feel better,
Zim

This is kind of......negative, don't you think.
 
I don't know who you are, I don't know anything about you, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with your comments (tl;dr) but this really is in the wrong forum, as it is not pool related.

Posting threads in the appropriate forums helps keep the entire board running smoothly. It makes sure that if John Doe has a question about fundamentals or some other pool related topic it has a fair chance to get answered, and isn't bumped out to the next page because of someone posting a "hey did anyone see this movie" or "AZ Forum out of control..." thread.
 
rossaroni said:
That is uncalled for. This is suppose to be a pool forum.

HUH? I apologize, if I offended you or anyone else. I was only trying to lighten things up. When I am up late and I see a thread that starts complaining about the negativity, even when it's someone I enjoy reading, it really gets me down, which I'm sure it does for others, too. This is a great forum that is constantly changing, but it's chock full of great people who care about each other and about the game. And, I think the neighbor's horse is a pretty nice looking horse, regardless of which side you're looking at... and this is much better than the "sexy" pics I was talking about, which is the cause of a lot of grief for many. I don't mind too much for myself, because... as I said, I know most of the folks mean no harm... but when I see innocent children affected by it... I was just replying to that issue.

My reply was to an early post in this thread. Zim made a totally legit comment/complaint about this forum not being what it used to be, regarding to pool. I agree, somewhat, but I still enjoy AZB. I wanted to let him know that. When Zim commented on the censorship issue and children, I simply replied to his comment, because sometimes, nobody means any harm, but stuff just happens. Whatever offended you so badly, I'm sorry you're having such a bad day and I hope it gets better for you.

As I said, I never meant to offend. All of us are quite capable of making a mistake, once in a while. I was only trying to end my post on a more light-hearted note.

AS for those who I now notice are having fits because posts in this "Main" section of the forum aren't pool-related, keep in mind that the word "Main" has a tendency to mean something different to many of us... like the entry room, or foyer, or a gathering place. (Main Street is where everything happens, for instance.) It says nothing about pool, so folks sometimes goof. I'm sure I"ve probably done it and I know a lot of others do it, daily. That doesn't mean a person is intentionally trying to ruin your day. Non-Pool Related says more about pool than Main says. I don't generally notice which listing a thread is posted under. I don't look in one thread. I call up all the new posts in the whole forum and see which ones interest me. If I feel like responding, I do, whether the thread is a question about cue tips, ferrules, games, what is appropriate, etc.. It doesn't matter which section it's in. If a mouseover indicates it's of interest to me, I check it out. Try holding your mouse over the header on the search page and you can get a good deal of info about what a thread is about, before you ever click on it. If it's not your thing, don't click on it... that simple. :)

G'nite all. I hope you have a great day, tomorrow. I plan to!

Oh yeah... lighthearted ending....:D :D :D :D ;)
 
I just find it hard to believe that some people will read the title of a thread and see that it is not 100% pool related and still click on it to read it anyway. If it doesnt interest you, then dont read it. I have no problem with a fellow member starting a thread that he has beaten cancer.....I applaud him and am glad to hear it. I would never have known if it had been posted in the NPR section, because I do not visit that section. JMO.

Southpaw
 
Southpaw said:
I just find it hard to believe that some people will read the title of a thread and see that it is not 100% pool related and still click on it to read it anyway. If it doesnt interest you, then dont read it. I have no problem with a fellow member starting a thread that he has beaten cancer.....I applaud him and am glad to hear it. I would never have known if it had been posted in the NPR section, because I do not visit that section. JMO.

Southpaw
I agree,if someone beats cancer,has a serious family matter or its there Bday then its fine by me,if your going to tell me you just got a kick ass lawnmower then that should be NPR. :)
 
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Southpaw said:
I just find it hard to believe that some people will read the title of a thread and see that it is not 100% pool related and still click on it to read it anyway. If it doesnt interest you, then dont read it. I have no problem with a fellow member starting a thread that he has beaten cancer.....I applaud him and am glad to hear it. I would never have known if it had been posted in the NPR section, because I do not visit that section. JMO.

Southpaw
This is not direct only to you, but in general. The NPR supporters keep using the fact that they don't visit the NPR forum as their excuse for wanting to allow NPR threads in the main forum. Why is it anybody's problem but your own when you miss something because you choose not to go to the forum for that topic? You don't see anyone in the for sale forum complaining about not having tournament announcements do you?

The common sense solution that work's for everybody is to make the main forum pool related only (which they already have). The people that only want to see pool related stuff don't have to deal with NPR stuff. I mean this is a pool site after all, and many people are here just for pool. And the people that do also want to see the NPR stuff can have that too by just simply going to the NPR forum and checking for threads that interest them. If you miss interesting NPR threads because you choose not to go to that forum, that's on you and it's nobody's problem but your own. It doesn't make sense to force NPR on others who don't want it in the pool forum when all you have to do is visit the NPR section.

The NPR supporters also keep saying they would have missed such and such interesting NPR thread if it had not been posted in the main forum. The fact is they are already missing just such threads because many people already put them in NPR where they belong. How much other news are you missing like this guy finding out he doesn't have cancer, just because you choose not to check over there? Contrary to your claims, the fact is that the NPR stuff is apparently not that important to you at all. If it was, you would be checking out the NPR forum because you are already missing a lot of stuff. And for that matter, you would have been asking for the forums to be combined to make sure that you don't miss anything interesting.

Not ONE single NPR supporter that I am aware of is asking for the forums to be combined. You know why that is? Same reason they don't want to go to the NPR forum. Because they don't want to have to practice what they preach and just skip over the threads that don't interest them. But yet they think it is fair to ask others to do the same thing when it is not even on topic for the forum.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
This is not direct only to you, but in general. The NPR supporters keep using the fact that they don't visit the NPR forum as their excuse for wanting to allow NPR threads in the main forum. Why is it anybody's problem but your own when you miss something because you choose not to go to the forum for that topic? You don't see anyone in the for sale forum complaining about not having tournament announcements do you?

The common sense solution that work's for everybody is to make the main forum pool related only (which they already have). The people that only want to see pool related stuff don't have to deal with NPR stuff. I mean this is a pool site after all, and many people are here just for pool. And the people that do also want to see the NPR stuff can have that too by just simply going to the NPR forum and checking for threads that interest them. If you miss interesting NPR threads because you choose not to go to that forum, that's on you and it's nobody's problem but your own. It doesn't make sense to force NPR on others who don't want it in the pool forum when all you have to do is visit the NPR section.

The NPR supporters also keep saying they would have missed such and such interesting NPR thread if it had not been posted in the main forum. The fact is they are already missing just such threads because many people already put them in NPR where they belong. How much other news are you missing like this guy finding out he doesn't have cancer, just because you choose not to check over there? Contrary to your claims, the fact is that the NPR stuff is apparently not that important to you at all. If it was, you would be checking out the NPR forum because you are already missing a lot of stuff. And for that matter, you would have been asking for the forums to be combined to make sure that you don't miss anything interesting.

Not ONE single NPR supporter that I am aware of is asking for the forums to be combined. You know why that is? Same reason they don't want to go to the NPR forum. Because they don't want to have to practice what they preach and just skip over the threads that don't interest them. But yet they think it is fair to ask others to do the same thing when it is not even on topic for the forum.


I visit and participate in the NPR forum as well as the main forum. I just don't get why a little NPR is that big of a deal in the main forum. I guess I just don't stress over little stuff like that. In fact, I make it a point not to stress over anything if I can help it. It makes life easier and it's the reason I am always happy and optomistic.
 
One reason

people don't go the NPR subforum is because it is usually filled with religious and political threads, of which, most people do not care about or wish to discuss.

And some posters can turn any thread into a Political debate, which most of us do not appreciate. Actually, I would like to see Mike make a subforum
called, 'Faith and Politics' and have nothing but religious and political threads in it, and leave the NPR subforum for everything else not Pool Related.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I agree,if someone beats cancer,has a serious family matter or its there Bday then its fine by me,if your going to tell me you just got a kick ass lawnmower then that should be NPR. :)
Just to be clear, I for one understand your point about the health and birthday threads. I agree that health and birthday threads are not the worst type of NPR offenses. In fact like many people, I was kind of on the fence about them for a while, and while I didn't particularly like them, they weren't the end of the world either.

Then it occured to me that out of the thousands of members here, there are birthdays for quite a few members every day, and right now there are only threads for a small portion of them. And out of the thousands of members here, there are dozens that on any given day are dealing with their own serious illness, or the illness of someone close to them, or the recent passing of a friend or family member. Right now 99% of them never post about it. What if they all decided to do threads? Would we be ok with the dozens of these threads every day?

I think it is same to assume that almost nobody would be ok with that. So now we have established that it would not be ok for everybody to do it. So if it is not ok for everybody to do it, it should not be ok for anybody to do it. It is the logical fair choice if you think about it IMO.

In the end I guess it doesn't really matter what mine or anybody else's opinion is though because they already chose to make it against the forum policy unless there was something different that I missed.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Just to be clear, I for one understand your point about the health and birthday threads. I agree that health and birthday threads are not the worst type of NPR offenses. In fact like many people, I was kind of on the fence about them for a while, and while I didn't particularly like them, they weren't the end of the world either.

Then it occured to me that out of the thousands of members here, there are birthdays for quite a few members every day, and right now there are only threads for a small portion of them. And out of the thousands of members here, there are dozens that on any given day are dealing with their own serious illness, or the illness of someone close to them, or the recent passing of a friend or family member. Right now 99% of them never post about it. What if they all decided to do threads? Would we be ok with the dozens of these threads every day?

I think it is same to assume that almost nobody would be ok with that. So now we have established that it would not be ok for everybody to do it. So if it is not ok for everybody to do it, it should not be ok for anybody to do it. It is the logical fair choice if you think about it IMO.

In the end I guess it doesn't really matter what mine or anybody else's opinion is though because they already chose to make it against the forum policy unless there was something different that I missed.


you just answered the $64,000 question. Everyone DOES NOT post NPR threads in the main forum. The amount of NPR in the main forum is very minimal and has been that way for a long time. If and when NPR becomes rampant, which it won't, then maybe it will be a viable complaint. There are maybe 4-5 NPR threads on the main forum per week. Why is it so hard for you or any of the other NPR police to simply not click on them?
 
Snapshot9 said:
people don't go the NPR subforum is because it is usually filled with religious and political threads, of which, most people do not care about or wish to discuss.

And some posters can turn any thread into a Political debate, which most of us do not appreciate. Actually, I would like to see Mike make a subforum
called, 'Faith and Politics' and have nothing but religious and political threads in it, and leave the NPR subforum for everything else not Pool Related.
I think a politics and religion section is needed and is a great idea. Until then NPR material still fits better in the NPR forum than in the main forum. Like everyone says, it's not that hard to just skip the threads that don't interest you in NPR.

I also think that they should change the name of the main forum to "General Pool Discussion." I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are on a pool forum, and it has an NPR section, it's a safe assumption that the other sections are meant to stay on topic and not have NPR material. Still, a little clarification won't hurt and I'm all for a title change.
 
Snapshot9 said:
people don't go the NPR subforum is because it is usually filled with religious and political threads, of which, most people do not care about or wish to discuss.

And some posters can turn any thread into a Political debate, which most of us do not appreciate. Actually, I would like to see Mike make a subforum
called, 'Faith and Politics' and have nothing but religious and political threads in it, and leave the NPR subforum for everything else not Pool Related.

Couldn't agree more.

A new section just for religious and political posts would solve a lot of problems.

I believe the NPR (minus religious and political posts) would be used for many of the posts that people have mentioned in this thread.

The religious and political posts get out of hand and need to be isolated by themselves where they can fight to their hearts content. :) :)
 
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