AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest

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Sorry, this should never be let go...

DoubleD said:
Seriously, how long are you going to keep crying into your pillow over this one? Sometimes people break promises, move on.

I'll go ahead and let you in on a few sad secrets that every little boy eventually learns:

1. The easter bunny isn't real.
2. Santa Claus is made up.
3. Good people sometimes do bad things.
4. Mommy and Daddy aren't actually wrestling when the bedroom door is locked.

dld
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There should be a new thread on this every month.

A man's legacy has more to do with integrity and keeping his word than anything.

I used to be a huge supporter of Bill and loved his work AND his work ethic. After this he deserves everything he gets in the form of lost legacy, public berating, etc...

Doing something like he did is inexcusable and should never be let go, it should be a stain on his legacy for as long as his cues still exist.

Jaden
 
Wasn't it Buddha that purportedly said, "attachment is the source of all suffering" ?

Whatever Bill's reason was for not delivering we may never know.

IMHO you seem to be in the right, but what you are doing to yourself is a far greater tragedy than someone not getting a free cue. Free yourself and forget the cue.
 
Mommy and Daddy aren't actually wrestling when the bedroom door is locked.
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One day when out driving, Timmy saw two dogs doing it. He asked his Dad what they were doing. His Dad replied that they were making puppies.

That night, Timmy woke up and heard a bit of noise coming from his parents bedroom. He decided to investigate and opened up the bedroom door.

He saw his parents making love. He asked his Dad what they were doing.
His Dad replied that they were making babies.

Timmy said, roll Mom over, I want a puppy.

Brian isn't trying to devalue any owners cues. Bill Stroud did that all by himself. And if anything, did a fine job of it.

A man is only as good as his word. Bill still reads here. I have no problem with a thread once in a while to remind him of it.
 
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I could empathize if someone was out a bunch of $$$$, but since that is not the case, and no $$$$ changed hands, this thread, like the others about this, are PHAIL!!!
 
See, thats just the thing Nutz. Its a broken promise and that can hurt as much as being out the money for a cue.

I'm not out anything and neither are the rest of us. However, I can put myself in the winners shoes and imagine how I'd feel if that were me.
 
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haha lol

DoubleD said:
I'm sure that the owners of Joss West cues will really appreciate your efforts in ruining the value of their cues.

It is kind of funny--you have a vendetta out against the man because he didn't make one free cue. You are standing up for one guy who never paid a dime in this incident. I feel empathy for him, but he is really out nothing.

On the other hand, you are maliciously attempting to devalue the property of hundreds (thousands?) of JW owners.

More power to you.

dld
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This is the first thing I've said on the issue and it's the attitudes like yours that made me comment...

It's more of a critique on society than anything.

How little the worth of our word and our integrity have become is pathetic.

Even a hundred and fifty years ago, people would challenge each other to a duel and someone would be shot over their honor. Now it's drop it let it go.

Pathetic.

Society has become a bunch of pussified, selfish, useless, lecherous bastards that don't deserve to be pissed on when caught on fire.

Jaden
 
DoubleD said:
Seriously, how long are you going to keep crying into your pillow over this one? Sometimes people break promises, move on.

I'll go ahead and let you in on a few sad secrets that every little boy eventually learns:

1. The easter bunny isn't real.
2. Santa Claus is made up.
3. Good people sometimes do bad things.
4. Mommy and Daddy aren't actually wrestling when the bedroom door is locked.

dld
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If it were most anyone else I might be offended but DD, you have an affinity for pot stirring, so I'll just consider the source and take it with a grain of salt.

I like the idea of reminding readers here how Bill did AZ dirty by not following through on his word to make the winner his cue.

That perhaps it might create a feeling of accountability with Bill whereby he finishes the cue and presents it to mhaimi.

now, back to Santa Claus being "made up". Please tell me that's not true. :embarrassed2:

best,
brian kc
 
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DoubleD said:
I'm sure that the owners of Joss West cues will really appreciate your efforts in ruining the value of their cues.

It is kind of funny--you have a vendetta out against the man because he didn't make one free cue. You are standing up for one guy who never paid a dime in this incident. I feel empathy for him, but he is really out nothing.

On the other hand, you are maliciously attempting to devalue the property of hundreds (thousands?) of JW owners.

More power to you.

dld
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I concur 100%.

Time to move on to more important things........
 
Jaden said:
This is the first thing I've said on the issue and it's the attitudes like yours that made me comment...

It's more of a critique on society than anything.

How little the worth of our word and our integrity have become is pathetic.

Even a hundred and fifty years ago, people would challenge each other to a duel and someone would be shot over their honor. Now it's drop it let it go.

Pathetic.

Society has become a bunch of pussified, selfish, useless, lecherous bastards that don't deserve to be pissed on when caught on fire.

Jaden
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Good to see that you don't have any "Issues" !!! :eek:
 
Hey Russ....

poolhustler said:
Good to see that you don't have any "Issues" !!! :eek:
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I'm a cynic....what can I say...

I hate what our society has become.

However, haven't I always treated you with respect and kindness the few times we've met?

When people don't give me a reason not to, I'm am one of the nicest people you'll meet. Give me a reason and you'll regret ever letting me hearing of you.

BTW, I own a JW....

So if you think it is ME trying to devalue them, I guess I'm a massochist. The truth is that every day Bill fails to respond with updates and pictures or a finished cue, he is doing it to himself or rather to everyone who owns or has bought one of his cues.

Jaden
 
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Jaden said:
This is the first thing I've said on the issue and it's the attitudes like yours that made me comment...

It's more of a critique on society than anything.

How little the worth of our word and our integrity have become is pathetic.

Even a hundred and fifty years ago, people would challenge each other to a duel and someone would be shot over their honor. Now it's drop it let it go.

Pathetic.

Society has become a bunch of pussified, selfish, useless, lecherous bastards that don't deserve to be pissed on when caught on fire.

Jaden
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Well said sir well said
 
I think it's a little much to try to destroy a man's life's work for one mistake. Although I agree that Mr. Stroud has not represented himself very well. I think he should make a public explanation. After that it would be a dead issue for me.

Who knows what has happened. He's getting old. Is he in good health? Is he in financial trouble? Or did he just have a change of heart? He hasen't committed a crime, just did not live up to a promise. And I'd be willing to bet that the ones here who are speaking the loudest have broken promises before.

No matter what he doesn't deserve to be destroyed but he should apologize.
 
danutz said:
I could empathize if someone was out a bunch of $$$$, but since that is not the case, and no $$$$ changed hands, this thread, like the others about this, are PHAIL!!!
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Wrong. I'd rather be out money than be in the contest winner's shoes. The money can replaced. Broken trust is incredibly hard to repair.

I see no problem with a frequent reminder, although I suspect that Bill digs his heels in a little deeper with each thread. But, really, who knows? Only Bill knows.
 
I'm not making anything into the right or wrong feelings. A thought though, that's pretty good free advertising through out a industry. It's possible that people did purchase items as they may have purchased items supporting a cue maker who was going to deliver the dream of somone. Maybe there was no actual $$ exchanged, but, it makes a person wonder if income was generated off this gesture. I personally am neither pro or con. It does raise a persons eyebrow though.
 
poolhustler said:
I concur 100%.

Time to move on to more important things........
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by saying you "concur100%", do you really mean you believe that someone is maliciously attempting to devalue Josswest cues?

I assure you, that is not my intent, maliciously or otherwise.

best,
brian kc
 
If you think he really cares about this you are mistaken. His reputation? Pssst...he's retired and does not care. When you are older and retired are you really going to care what people on an online forum say about you? No, you will be golfing and doing the things you love enjoying the rest of your life with friends and family. I think what he did was wrong, I just don't think that he give a rats about it and we may never know even though it is a shame. My fiance and I both had entries we worked on for a while so we at least tried. Oh well.
 
Everyone can Think Whatever They Want

Enuf already about Bill Stroud"s legacy................he"ll always remain a greatly heralded cue-maker...............his accomplishments and cue-making reputation hasn"t become soiled or diminished by the on-going prattle on the forum.

Let"s face it................life is filled with surprises some of which can turn into disappointments................no one is out any money............... and even the guy that won the dc contest isn't trying to raise a ruckus like some others on the forum................it"s time to move on.
 
My .02 cents: Who cares that no money exchanged hands, that is not the point at all.

If I won this cue and did not receive it it would be a heartbreak. A one off custom from one of the true masters of the art. I realize some people here trade high dollar cues all the time but others play with the best they can afford and dream of owning a cue such as this.

If Bill didn't want to back up his word then he should not have made the offer.
 
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