B Player vs. Pro speed

[Spimp13]

For $1 a rack the B player should be spotting the pro.

I tried to offer Jeanette Lee the 7 in Ankeny, IA a few years ago while she was doing an exhibition in town. She politely declined....well I don't think she heard me clear in the back softly saying she has the 7 ball to my buddies...so technically I'm not sure that counts as offering it to her.

 

[ruzzy1]

it def depends on the players involved, ive seen a pro give two diff guys rated a, a+ the wild object ball , the pro got all the breaks in a even race and the pro won both times, was def close tho like double hill. and yes the apa 6 s i know are usually all c + at best in my area .

 

[Spimp13]

it def depends on the players involved, ive seen a pro give two diff guys rated a, a+ the wild object ball , the pro got all the breaks in a even race and the pro won both times, was def close tho like double hill. and yes the apa 6 s i know are usually all c + at best in my area .

Depending on the game I would hands down rather have the break than just the wild 7 or 8...giving the pro the break is usually bad for your BR.

 

[rayjay]

Agree on the break, gotta have that. For a buck a game, I wouldn't expect to be given much. Playing for more, I'd want more...lots more.

 

[nb92]

Try this one...

... here is one spot to try ... approx. 20-years ago, a pool room friend of mine ( I say this because we got along great but if he could trap me, he would LOL)... would be a solid B on a scale going to AA+ played Jose Parica $200 a game 9-ball.

My friend got the break and could take the balls off in any order (no need to hit them in order), only stipulation was the 9 Ball had to be last. Jose played normal 9 Ball (early wins count). My friend breaks and runs the first two games, breaks the third, makes a ball and the 7 does not have a pocket, frozen near the side, so he plays his first shot for straight in position on the 7 and softly rolls the 7 just enough to be able to make it next inning, while keeping the cue ball nearly frozen to it.

Jose did not have a shot on the next ball ... made the kick... ran out and QUIT.. by simply saying “No good.”... My friend then offered him the same game winner breaks, polite smile, “No.”

In the after match analysis held at the bar we both agreed that he played that particular type of safety about $1,000 too early in the match....

 

[Charlie Hustle]

My buddy Drunk Mike played Sylver Ochoa a race to 5, for $20. I would say Drunk Mike is a C+ player maybe B- on a good day. The spot was Sylver got all the break, Mike got ball in hand on every single ball, after he legally pocketed a ball. My friend lost 5-3

 

[TSW]

My buddy Drunk Mike played Sylver Ochoa a race to 5, for $20. I would say Drunk Mike is a C+ player maybe B- on a good day. The spot was Sylver got all the break, Mike got ball in hand on every single ball, after he legally pocketed a ball. My friend lost 5-3

"Drunk Mike" - that's a great nickname.

That game is really a test of Sylver's skill. If he can never leave your friend an open shot, he has it in the bag.

 

[book collector]

My guess is you will need the 5 through , 4 games on the wire out of 10, the breaks, and 2 handspans a game and 4 to one on the money.
You still won't win , but it should be close.

 

[hang-the-9]

... here is one spot to try ... approx. 20-years ago, a pool room friend of mine ( I say this because we got along great but if he could trap me, he would LOL)... would be a solid B on a scale going to AA+ played Jose Parica $200 a game 9-ball.

My friend got the break and could take the balls off in any order (no need to hit them in order), only stipulation was the 9 Ball had to be last. Jose played normal 9 Ball (early wins count). My friend breaks and runs the first two games, breaks the third, makes a ball and the 7 does not have a pocket, frozen near the side, so he plays his first shot for straight in position on the 7 and softly rolls the 7 just enough to be able to make it next inning, while keeping the cue ball nearly frozen to it.

Jose did not have a shot on the next ball ... made the kick... ran out and QUIT.. by simply saying “No good.”... My friend then offered him the same game winner breaks, polite smile, “No.”

In the after match analysis held at the bar we both agreed that he played that particular type of safety about $1,000 too early in the match....

I thought about that type of spot myself when playing much lower players, but that any ball safe can be a killer once someone thinks of it.

 

[prad]

Playing 9 ball, I think fair spot for a B player against pro: -
-gets every break.
-every time gets ball in hand after break, unless its a foul on break shot.
-3,6,8 are the money balls for B player.

 

[Charlie Hustle]

"Drunk Mike" - that's a great nickname.

That game is really a test of Sylver's skill. If he can never leave your friend an open shot, he has it in the bag.

This was exactly the case. He kept Mike tied up the entire time. He finally got lucky and 3 rail kicked a ball in. Of course from that point its kinda hard to miss with ball in hand on every shot

 

[Cornerman]

I think he needs the break and either 2-1 on shots per inning or the rainbow.

In a race to 9 playing 9-ball, I think 2 to 1 shots it's going to be a blowout for the pro. With the rainbow it might be a close matchup.


Freddie <~~~ needs 3-1 on shots

 

[Koop]

I think he needs the break and either 2-1 on shots per inning or the rainbow.

In a race to 9 playing 9-ball, I think 2 to 1 shots it's going to be a blowout for the pro. With the rainbow it might be a close matchup.


Freddie <~~~ needs 3-1 on shots

Freddie,

Can you explain the 3-1 on shots?

Koop = not a gambler

 

[leehayes]

An sl 6 is a B player?!?!?!?

This is what I was wondering!!!!! I'm no B player and I'm a 7!!!!!

 

[plhlolelnlilx]

This is what I was wondering!!!!! I'm no B player and I'm a 7!!!!!

I moved from Wisconsin (primarily BCA) to Alabama (Primarily APA) and not really much of a league player so if I play any tournaments they automatically started me as a 7 and quickly moved me to an 8 or 9 depending on the directors mood that evening. However, I can tell you that I believe that the number rating is only valid in your geographical area.

Competition comparison in areas I've played.

AA = 9
A = 7
B = 5

 

[Banks]

League Operator ‘B’ Rating Guidelines

League Operators: This is just a reminder that all new WBCA male players will start off as "Men'sA” at Regional’s. The only exception will be by Competition Committee request. Here are some guidelines for placement of new male players in a lower division.

•Pool History: Never placed in a big tournament, may play in weekly tournaments, but seldom places or wins; winning against master level players is at most 10-15% but probably less; has little to no gambling experience.
•Knowledge: Has about 20% cue ball control, gets out 20-30% of easy outs and might never play safe, doesn’t know many shots or fundamentals.
•Focus: Plays/practices about 1-3 hours a week, plays for fun wins against same level players 40-50% of time, Desires to win most of the time, and has minimal playing stamina and makes 50% mistakes.
•League stats: Might break and run out an 8-ball rack 1 in 20 times, and 1 inning games (after opponents balls are gone) or with ball in hand 3 in 10 times, if played in APA league and has a ranking 5 or lower.

The above is from our regional BCA's site as, afaik, a new addition. (Yeah yeah, BCAPL..) I can't help but shake my head when I read that stuff, especially that last bit. I mean, you want an entire tournament of APA 5 and belows to make up the B division? That means you'll end up with a dozen APA 5s that get bumped to A at the end of a tournament. That's just a horrible plan.. horrible. I'd use those above definitions for a C tournament, but certainly nothing to differentiate between A and B.

 

[leehayes]

League Operator ‘B’ Rating Guidelines

League Operators: This is just a reminder that all new WBCA male players will start off as "Men'sA” at Regional’s. The only exception will be by Competition Committee request. Here are some guidelines for placement of new male players in a lower division.

•Pool History: Never placed in a big tournament, may play in weekly tournaments, but seldom places or wins; winning against master level players is at most 10-15% but probably less; has little to no gambling experience.
•Knowledge: Has about 20% cue ball control, gets out 20-30% of easy outs and might never play safe, doesn’t know many shots or fundamentals.
•Focus: Plays/practices about 1-3 hours a week, plays for fun wins against same level players 40-50% of time, Desires to win most of the time, and has minimal playing stamina and makes 50% mistakes.
•League stats: Might break and run out an 8-ball rack 1 in 20 times, and 1 inning games (after opponents balls are gone) or with ball in hand 3 in 10 times, if played in APA league and has a ranking 5 or lower.

The above is from our regional BCA's site as, afaik, a new addition. (Yeah yeah, BCAPL..) I can't help but shake my head when I read that stuff, especially that last bit. I mean, you want an entire tournament of APA 5 and belows to make up the B division? That means you'll end up with a dozen APA 5s that get bumped to A at the end of a tournament. That's just a horrible plan.. horrible. I'd use those above definitions for a C tournament, but certainly nothing to differentiate between A and B.

Ok...based on this then I am definitely higher than a B player! PHEW!!!

 

[watchez]

Not sure if it was every clarified -- are the two players playing on a big table or a bar table?

 

[bbb]

curious you guys opinion of this
if as the b player you are trying to test yourself
play him
you get to break and get ball in hand
as a b you shouldnt be beating the ghost
yet should get out or have a combo often enough to get you back for more
once you get into a safety battle the pro should win and be out
so you probably will still lose but you get to keep trying to get out and/or have the opportunity to play the first safety

a bump for comments please
no matter what you say i can take and expect it:smile:

 

[JesseBfan]

For a buck a rack, you should just play even and learn from the experience. Spots change the strategy of the game and wont likely be as valuable an experience when you start playing better players without a spot.

Exactly right. I used to play Danny Basavich $2 a game 1 pocket and I paid the time. It's worth it, trust me.