B Player vs. Pro speed

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poormanintexas

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I have a general question?

What kinda of spot should a pro speed player give to a
B rated (APA SL 5 or 6) in order to be a fair game say
for a buck a rack without getting slaughtered?

ie....Would it be wild 6 and last two, wild 5 out and the breaks..

I ask this because of the vast knowledge base we have here..;)
 
I have seen good B players play a pro with the break, I think it was the last 4 and ball in hand after the break for decent money (couple of hundred a set). There are other spots you can come up with also, like the pro can only make the 9 (or whatever you are playing) in one pocket, or he can't play safe, etc...

I played some games where the better player can't win on fouls.
 
Not bad

Thats not a bad idea i never thought about 4 to 1 on the money or games..
I also like the break BIH and the last 4..
 
It depends on the B player and the pro player. SVB would spot you more than Cliff would in rotation games. You have some B players that can spot other B players so it has to be player to player. In tournys its only a couple of games on the wire.
 
For a buck a rack, you should just play even and learn from the experience. Spots change the strategy of the game and wont likely be as valuable an experience when you start playing better players without a spot.
 
poormanintexas said:
Thats not a bad idea i never thought about 4 to 1 on the money or games..
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For a $1 that really won't matter though hehe. It won't help you win any more games if you wanted to play a close set, only not to lose as much if the score is 20 to 4 or something.

Now if you were actually playing to make something, $20 a game or something, then the money would be a good equalizer.

I played a pro races to 11, and I think the highest I got was 5 games in one set and 4 in another, with no spot at all, so with 2-1 on the money we'd be pretty even. Aside from the last set where I lost like 11-1 or something hehe. I'm a B+ player.

If the goal was to play cheap, and have fun, I'd pick the ball or some other spots. Come up with something creative, like the pro has to bank every shot, you can push out if hooked.

There was one spot I heard that I liked, the guy could move the cueball on any shot one hand span. With a B player where position play may be an issue, and safety by the pro is strong, that would be a pretty good spot. I don't know how many times I ended up losing a game because I hooked myself playing position.
 
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poormanintexas said:
I have a general question?

What kinda of spot should a pro speed player give to a
B rated (APA SL 5 or 6) in order to be a fair game say
for a buck a rack without getting slaughtered?

ie....Would it be wild 6 and last two, wild 5 out and the breaks..

I ask this because of the vast knowledge base we have here..;)
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The pro could give the B player whatever if he was motivated to play. I doubt a buck a game is going to get their attention. And the thing is the pro will control the game/action the B player will not be getting many good looks.

I saw Bartram who is not a top tier pro more like a third tier pro (top 50 or so) give a local player the last 5 on a bar box after I left the player was getting the last 7 and still lost a decent chunk of change multiple thousands. I think the pro's control the game and then they get into the head of decent B players. They break people down with relentless shotmaking and good decisions. When a B player is broken down they will take flyers and then it will only get worse.

Wild 6,7,8 will help if you are on a bar box, big table I doubt there is a spot that sounds fair to the ear that will be enough that is just the difference between a real pro and a B player.
 
Ill tell you exactly a fair spot, as Im a B player and Ive played a pro for money before. I played Max Eberle all night for $100 a set. I got 4 games on the wire going to 8, and the last 3. At the end of the night, he was up 1 set. Great guy to gamble with and an amazing player.

By the way, it all started with me letting him play the 9 ball and 10 ball ghost for $40 a rack. The ghost stood no chance, and I lost about $340 that way. I figured, fvck the ghost, Ill just play him myself. :wink:
 
Why are people equating money odds with games on the wire? A pro giving a B 4-1 on the money in an otherwise even game is robbing. A B player is not going to beat a pro even 20% of the time. Even 5% would be a stretch.

Where I play the game spot would be 6 games on 11. I think the pro player has the best of it in that matchup (depending on the pro).

Edit: I'm referring to playing sets, not on a game-by-game basis. If you are betting on each rack, then perhaps 4-1 on the money is more reasonable.
 
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