Back stroke pause?Calling Blckjck and Bob Jewitt.

Blackjack said:
Let's find out.

I'm pretty sure that I can get John Schmidt, Johnny Archer, Corey Deuel, and Alex Pagulayan to make that one extremely interesting.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Your boys will have fun playing 9 ball against those guys. Have them jump the pond.

:D
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I was thinking that your team should be more like you, That guy with the grey hair thats always drunk at Kolby's Corner Pocket, the Prince of Brunai and Travis Trotter. That sounds like a better deal to me. Let me know what you think.
 
bfdlad said:
I was thinking that your team should be more like you, That guy with the grey hair thats always drunk at Kolby's Corner Pocket, the Prince of Brunai and Travis Trotter. That sounds like a better deal to me. Let me know what you think.
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Here we go again...

:rolleyes:

We mention some names that you might not be comfortable with, and we're back at SQUARE ONE...

:confused:

Come on... deal or no deal?
 
Blackjack said:
Here we go again...

:rolleyes:

We mention some names that you might not be comfortable with, and we're back at SQUARE ONE...

:confused:

Come on... deal or no deal?
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I am not sure who you think i am but I have no way to get those guysd over here. Besides they are almost all millionaires and they would want to be playing for something big just to cover the travel.
 
bfdlad said:
I am not sure who you think i am but I have no way to get those guysd over here. Besides they are almost all millionaires and they would want to be playing for something big just to cover the travel.
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Now they're broke and poor? What about Quinten bragging about his millions?

Now he can't cover airfare?

More excuses.

Keep 'em coming.

:p
 
Blackjack said:
Now they're broke and poor? What about Quinten bragging about his millions?

Now he can't cover airfare?

More excuses.

Keep 'em coming.

:p
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If you were a millionaire, it would take more money to get you to come over here and play than it would for a regular guy. Thats all I am saying, it's also a business decision for these guys. If it is going to cost them $4,000 each just to get here with room etc then they have to be playing for at least $16k just to break even. They will take the $$ so we just would have to make sure that there was enough in the pot to make it worth their while.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
I've been practicing this pause on the backstroke for a year now...and it's still not a permanent part of my subconscious shot routine.
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It is REALLY hard isn't it. I've been trying to adopt it for two years and STILL default to my old stroke. Old habits die HARD.

I think the only way to do it is to actually say the word "pause" while you're pausing. But even then, in a lesson with Scott Lee, he pointed out to me that I sometimes said "pause" DURING the backstroke!!!

Also, try taking NO warm up strokes at all. Just push the cue up close to the CB...take dead aim...draw the cue back ONCE and say PAUSE...then stroke through the CB.

Regards,
Jim
 
"pause" ain't natural, but can be effective for some

av84fun said:
It is REALLY hard isn't it. I've been trying to adopt it for two years and STILL default to my old stroke. Old habits die HARD.

I think the only way to do it is to actually say the word "pause" while you're pausing. But even then, in a lesson with Scott Lee, he pointed out to me that I sometimes said "pause" DURING the backstroke!!!

Also, try taking NO warm up strokes at all. Just push the cue up close to the CB...take dead aim...draw the cue back ONCE and say PAUSE...then stroke through the CB.

Regards,
Jim
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A distinct pause does not come natural to me either, even though I practice it often. Although, I find I usually play better when I force myself to pause for 1-2 seconds before the final forward stroke. Maybe it just makes me focus better. It certainly forces me to not rush the transition, and accelerate more smoothly.

Allison Fisher claims adding a distinct pause resulted in a significant improvement in her game. Although, this doesn't mean everybody can benefit from adding a distinct pause.

Regards,
Dave
 
I find the pause is helping me the most on my power shots. It keeps me from pulling the cue back to quickly and violently and I'm better able to maintain a lose grip on the cue.

Before, I was pulling back way to fast and probably throwing my aim way off while trying to crush the butt of the cue in my hand. Those 2 things combined were probably the cause of 90% of my misses and miscues on power shots.
 
dr_dave said:
A distinct pause does not come natural to me either, even though I practice it often. Although, I find I usually play better when I force myself to pause for 1-2 seconds before the final forward stroke. Maybe it just makes me focus better. It certainly forces me to not rush the transition, and accelerate more smoothly.

Allison Fisher claims adding a distinct pause resulted in a significant improvement in her game. Although, this doesn't mean everybody can benefit from adding a distinct pause.

Regards,
Dave
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You have hit on the CENTRAL thesis of the pause...insuring against a rushed transition...because there IS not transition.

That explains why some benefit from using a pause and others don't need it. If a player has such awesome muscle/mental control that their transition from the back stroke to the forward stroke in a nearly continuous motion is consistently smooth, then they don't need the distinct pause.

Others who are less able to reverse directions smoothly and CONSISTENTLY will benefit from adopting the pause.

In addition, the pause helps to avoid "short stroking" which is one of my default mistakes. The transition can be smooth BUT if the player has not drawn the cue fully back, then the stroke will be of a lower quality...all other things being equal.

Regards,
Jim
 
dr_dave said:
Allison Fisher claims adding a distinct pause resulted in a significant improvement in her game. Although, this doesn't mean everybody can benefit from adding a distinct pause.

Regards,
Dave
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Exactly. I have noticed that players with a naturally quicker stroke rhythm will definitely have trouble adjusting the "distinct" (great word) pause.
 
It seems like IF the pause can be a natural part of your stroke (key word natural) it would be a benefit...I wonder if it is forced during practice that it has the possiblilty to break down during pressure situations...

I also wonder if a practiced stroke "tempo" can lead to a more natural delivery of the cue (and) create a natural pause.

I mentioned in a previous post regarding Tin Cup using the key words "Dollar Bills"...right before his swing....Even though this was a Hollywood line...I belive that at least a similar process has been used in the real world.

Using the word "pause" at the back of the backstroke was mentioned...It was also mentioned that from time to time the word started to get thought or said "during" the backstroke...That leads me to believe that it had turned into more of a "tempo" controle instead of a distinct pause.

Using the words "Dollar Bills" above...(even though used for Golf) Break down the tempo of the words...The "Dollar" signifies the backstroke tempo...The "Bills" signifies the forward stroke......The space between the two words signifies the pause of the cue stick (transition of the body muscles)...

The word "Dollar" being a slightly longer word than the word "Bills" also plays a role in the tempo of the back swing and the "Bills" plays a roll in the acceleration of the cue for the forward stroke.

Say the phrase a few times and then shoot a shot...My hunch is that the tempo of that phrase "Dollar Bills" will translate into the tempo of your stroke (and will include a slight pause at the end of the backswing)

I really think it is like "programming" your mind and body right before the shot...


Similar to the following.....Say the follwing word about 5 or 6 times.

SILK, SILK, SILK, SILK, SIlK SILK................

What do COWS drink???? .................Are you sure????




(Walk up to someone and ask have them do this......4 out of 5 will say MILK)
 
stroke "transition"

av84fun said:
You have hit on the CENTRAL thesis of the pause...insuring against a rushed transition...because there IS not transition.

That explains why some benefit from using a pause and others don't need it. If a player has such awesome muscle/mental control that their transition from the back stroke to the forward stroke in a nearly continuous motion is consistently smooth, then they don't need the distinct pause.

Others who are less able to reverse directions smoothly and CONSISTENTLY will benefit from adopting the pause.

In addition, the pause helps to avoid "short stroking" which is one of my default mistakes. The transition can be smooth BUT if the player has not drawn the cue fully back, then the stroke will be of a lower quality...all other things being equal.
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Jim,

Excellent points.

The "muscle transition" occurs well before the backstroke-to-forward-stroke transition. Check out the summary statements here (mostly from the BD CCB forum). This topic has been beaten to death by many thousands of posts over the years. It seems like people will never come to an agreement on terminology and/or rationale on this one.

Regards,
Dave
 
lactose-intolerant milk

BRKNRUN said:
Say the follwing word about 5 or 6 times.

SILK, SILK, SILK, SILK, SIlK SILK................

What do COWS drink???? .................Are you sure????

(Walk up to someone and ask have them do this......4 out of 5 will say MILK)
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If the person is lactose intolerant, he or she might say "SILK" (Soy Milk). A cow might actually drink that, being it is derived from a plant. ;)

Dave
 
article about Dr. Dave's billiards "research"

Blackjack said:
... great article about you yesterday in the Rocky Mountain News - keep up the good work.

Link to Dr. Dave Article in the Rocky Mountain News
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Thanks David. I've been getting lots of messages from people today. It amazes me how many people take notice when stuff appears in local press. My university put out a press release two days ago, and there seems to be a lot of interest from local newspapers and television stations. Here's the university's version of the release article:

http://today.colostate.edu/index.asp?url=display_story&story_id=1004327

Regards,
Dave
 
Blackjack said:
I seems to me from watching most of his videos that he already has the pause - but he has a very quick delivery.

Example

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In my view, there is no pause in those strokes at the back of the backswing. Yes, he reverses direction (obviously). He does not pause. On some of his shots, there is a slight pause in the "set" position with the tip at the cue ball, but is is barely detectable. His stroke does not look like Allison Fisher's stroke.

My advice would be to begin with a pause at the cue ball in the "set" position.
 
Bob Jewett said:
In my view, there is no pause in those strokes at the back of the backswing. Yes, he reverses direction (obviously). He does not pause. On some of his shots, there is a slight pause in the "set" position with the tip at the cue ball, but is is barely detectable. His stroke does not look like Allison Fisher's stroke.

My advice would be to begin with a pause at the cue ball in the "set" position.
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I would agree with your assessment, Bob.
 
Bob Jewett said:
In my view, there is no pause in those strokes at the back of the backswing. Yes, he reverses direction (obviously). He does not pause. On some of his shots, there is a slight pause in the "set" position with the tip at the cue ball, but is is barely detectable. His stroke does not look like Allison Fisher's stroke.

My advice would be to begin with a pause at the cue ball in the "set" position.
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As you mentioned earlier in this thread, it is a matter of the definition of "pause". However, I agreed there is no purposeful pause, as a matter of fact I feel he hurries through his last stroke.
 
lots of pauses

Bob Jewett said:
In my view, there is no pause in those strokes at the back of the backswing. Yes, he reverses direction (obviously). He does not pause. On some of his shots, there is a slight pause in the "set" position with the tip at the cue ball, but is is barely detectable. His stroke does not look like Allison Fisher's stroke.

My advice would be to begin with a pause at the cue ball in the "set" position.
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Agreed. A longer "pause" at the "set" position can be beneficial to many.

A "distinct pause" before the final forward stroke can also benefit some.

Regards,
Dave
 
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Sometimes my pauses at at end of the backstroke feel to be only a 1/4 second or so and would not probably be detectable from someone watching however my mind is percieving a pause. Perhaps it's more a mental thing that checks your stroke when you do it.
 
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