Back stroke pause?Calling Blckjck and Bob Jewitt.

[Scott Lee]

dave...I'll have to disagree here...only that in our opinion, the pause at the CB (set position) is absolutely ESSENTIAL...both mentally and physically, to the best possible delivery process. Although there are exceptions to every rule, for the huge majority of players, the 1-second stop of the cue, at the CB, before final backswing and delivery, is of the utmost importance, for the best possible outcome. We discuss this extensively in pool school, and in every private lesson (the why's, the where's, and the when's)!

How long the pause at the end of backswing is doesn't matter ('distinct' or momentary), as long as there is a smooth transition from backswing to the forward accelerated stroke!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Agreed. A "pause" at the "set" position can be beneficial to many.

A "pause" before the final forward stroke can also benefit some.

Regards,
Dave

 

[dr_dave]

Re: "set" pause is essential

Scott,

I don't think we disagree at all. I certainly agree with everything in your posting. I still think a "distinct pause" (lasting more than an instant) can help some people create a non-rushed, non-jerky, smoothly-accelerating forward stroke. I didn't mean to minimize the importance of the "set" pause. I should have been more clear.

Regards,
Dave

dave...I'll have to disagree here...only that in our opinion, the pause at the CB (set position) is absolutely ESSENTIAL...both mentally and physically, to the best possible delivery process. Although there are exceptions to every rule, for the huge majority of players, the 1-second stop of the cue, at the CB, before final backswing and delivery, is of the utmost importance, for the best possible outcome. We discuss this extensively in pool school, and in every private lesson (the why's, the where's, and the when's)!

How long the pause at the end of backswing is doesn't matter ('distinct' or momentary), as long as there is a smooth transition from backswing to the forward accelerated stroke!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[APA7]

Brian,

If I had low self esteem and felt as if I had to prove anything to anybody I would do that.

I'm in Orlando. I'm easy to find. If bfdlad thinks he can beat me - Delta is ready when he is.

FWIW, I think that I should get a band of pool players to go up against bfdlad's snooker players - that's if they show up or can stop trying to manipulate the terms into their favor. I got 2 or 3 players that are up for the challenge. You guys up for it?

You listening, Quinten? Let's stop talking and let's settle all of this on the table.

I think a lot of us R wondering if U can shoot good or R just a hack.

Brian

 

[JimS]

I think a lot of us R wondering if U can shoot good or R just a hack.

Brian

If you are wondering that you are a fool.... which, come to think of it, your post confirms.

 

[APA7]

If you are wondering that you are a fool.... which, come to think of it, your post confirms.

So, U know 4 a fact how Blackjack plays? If not, then U R the fool cuz U wouldn't know what U R talking about.

Brian

 

[Blackjack]

I think a lot of us R wondering if U can shoot good or R just a hack.

Brian

I'm just a hack. Pass it on - like I said ... I really don't give a shit.

 

[bud green]

He runs 100's at straight pool, has a nine ball instructional book out, is known and respected by many pro players and top instructors, and you think he's a hack?

Wow...I don't even know if there is a term for how horrible I am with a meager high run of 63 at straight pool if a guy who's run over 200 is a hack.

I never knew apa7's could run 300 or 400 balls at 14.1 and distinguish themselves from the hacks that only run in the 200's.

I guess I better start shopping for a bowling ball...this game is WAY too tough.

 

[LoGiC]

He runs 100's at straight pool, has a nine ball instructional book out, is known and respected by many pro players and top instructors, and you think he's a hack?

Wow...I don't even know if there is a term for how horrible I am with a meager high run of 63 at straight pool if a guy who's run over 200 is a hack.

I never knew apa7's could run 300 or 400 balls at 14.1 and distinguish themselves from the hacks that only run in the 200's.

I guess I better start shopping for a bowling ball...this game is WAY too tough.

You beat me to it. Just because his handle here on AZ isn't his real name, doesn't mean he can't shoot well.

 

[Scott Lee]

Total agreement with everything here, Dave!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott,

I don't think we disagree at all. I certainly agree with everything in your posting. I still think a "distinct pause" (lasting more than an instant) can help some people create a non-rushed, non-jerky, smoothly-accelerating forward stroke. I didn't mean to minimize the importance of the "set" pause. I should have been more clear.

Regards,
Dave

 

[av84fun]

As you mentioned earlier in this thread, it is a matter of the definition of "pause". However, I agreed there is no purposeful pause, as a matter of fact I feel he hurries through his last stroke.

I agree. That is a somewhat rushed...stabby stroke. Not terrible at all but the shooter should work on a smoother, more fluid stroke IHMO.

Regards,
Jim

 

[av84fun]

dave...I'll have to disagree here...only that in our opinion, the pause at the CB (set position) is absolutely ESSENTIAL...both mentally and physically, to the best possible delivery process. Although there are exceptions to every rule, for the huge majority of players, the 1-second stop of the cue, at the CB, before final backswing and delivery, is of the utmost importance, for the best possible outcome. We discuss this extensively in pool school, and in every private lesson (the why's, the where's, and the when's)!

How long the pause at the end of backswing is doesn't matter ('distinct' or momentary), as long as there is a smooth transition from backswing to the forward accelerated stroke!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott, you know I agree with you and I am sure as Hell going to do anything both you and Alli Fisher tell me to do.

But I think you wrote a key phrase I bolded above and I'd like to jump in to elaborate a little.

When you say the "huge majority of players" you are necessarily referring to non-top ranked pros because the "huge majority" of them do not use the Buddy/Allison pause.

I won't put words in your mouth or any other person I have studied with but smart people have told me to remember that the top tier pros have TRUE GIFTS of eye sight, muscular coordination and mental toughness that MILLIONS attempt to acquire and about 50 ever do at any given time...IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

So, just because many of the most gifted players can execute a highly repeatable, smoothly accelerating stroke that delivers the tip with microscopic precision...doesn't mean that the huge majority of players can do so...because obviously they can't.

Given the above, the rest of us mortals should adopt techniques that will lead US to a smooth, accurate and repeatable swing.

What I am trying to do here is defuse the debate about pause or no pause by dispatching one of the KEY arugments proposed by the "non-pause" crowd...that being..."Most pros don't use distinct pauses."

While that is true, my comments are intended to suggest why we mortals ought to consider the pause in spite of the fact that may pros, with motor skills etc. that we will never achieve don't use it.

Regards,
Jim

 

[shinyballs]

Cliff Joyner has the longest pause of the pros I can think of. Tommy Kennedy also comes to mind.

 

[av84fun]

I think a lot of us R wondering if U can shoot good or R just a hack.

Brian

Do you think that 1 is "a lot" ? Because that's how many think he might be a hack.


Bad post pardner.

 

[Scott Lee]

Jim...You didn't READ carefully. Look at the phrase you bolded again, and read the rest of the sentence. I'm talking about the pause in the SET position, not the pause at the end of the backswing (ala Buddy/Allison). Almost every top player in the world stops their cue, at the CB, before the final backswing and forward stroke.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

But I think you wrote a key phrase I bolded above and I'd like to jump in to elaborate a little.

When you say the "huge majority of players" you are necessarily referring to non-top ranked pros because the "huge majority" of them do not use the Buddy/Allison pause.

Regards,
Jim

 

[APA7]

He runs 100's at straight pool, has a nine ball instructional book out, is known and respected by many pro players and top instructors, and you think he's a hack?

Wow...I don't even know if there is a term for how horrible I am with a meager high run of 63 at straight pool if a guy who's run over 200 is a hack.

I never knew apa7's could run 300 or 400 balls at 14.1 and distinguish themselves from the hacks that only run in the 200's.

I guess I better start shopping for a bowling ball...this game is WAY too tough.

U know that he runs 100's 4 a fact? Have U seen him shoot? I know sumone that has N sez Blackjack iz a decent amateur but no 100 ball runner. If that iz true it makes his reputation a total scam.

Brian

 

[Blackjack]

U know that he runs 100's 4 a fact? Have U seen him shoot? I know sumone that has N sez Blackjack iz a decent amateur but no 100 ball runner. If that iz true it makes his reputation a total scam.

Brian

You're right. I'm a decent amateur and I can't get out of a rack to save my life.



All of the knowledge that I share with others (for the most part for FREE) is complete BS and won't work for anybody.

How dare I give free instruction away on this forum!

How dare I charge players almost nothing for lessons!

I must be stopped.

All of this insanity has to end before someone gets hurt.

Get life. I hear there's one waiting for you over at Fast Larry's forum.

 

[APA7]

You're right. I'm a decent amateur and I can't get out of a rack to save my life.



All of the knowledge that I share with others (for the most part for FREE) is complete BS and won't work for anybody.

How dare I give free instruction away on this forum!

How dare I charge players almost nothing for lessons!

I must be stopped.

All of this insanity has to end before someone gets hurt.

Get life. I hear there's one waiting for you over at Fast Larry's forum.

BJ, no 1 iz saying that U haven't done good stuff. U have.

All IM saying iz that if you r a B level player[you R] and no 100 ball runner, you shouldnt lie about it.

Brian

 

[Scott Lee]

APA7...Since you also are, at best, a B player, why don't you come down and match up with Blackjack. I'm sure it'd be an even game...since he's JUST an amateur! BTW...I'll cover ALL of Blackjack's action with you!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

 

[APA7]

APA7...Since you also are, at best, a B player, why don't you come down and match up with Blackjack. I'm sure it'd be an even game...since he's JUST an amateur! BTW...I'll cover ALL of Blackjack's action with you!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Why can't the question to BJ B answered without every1 jumping on me cuz I asked it?

Since UR betting, Scott Lee, how about U and me playing? U play worse than BJ, U R not even a decent amateur level player Scott Lee. I am not a great player either, but I LUV my chances against U, Scott Lee. Lets play.

Brian

 

[Blackjack]

There are two kinds of people in this world, Brian.

a) There are people that are honest and upfront to you - right to your face.

b) There are people that say shit behind your back.

Now... I've been roaming the earth for quite some time now. In my travels across the globe I cannot remember anybody looking me dead in the eye and calling me a B player. Not once.

Now, this says a lot about your "source" - doesn't it?

I make an honest living helping other people with things other than POOL. I'm not sure if you knew that or not, but it is important as it relates to this topic. Pool is not my entire life. In fact it is a distant second to what I do 9-5 Monday-Friday - and I enjoy every aspect of what I do and would not trade it for anything - including pool.

FWIW, I have Parkinson's Disease. I don't bring that up for you or anybody else to feel sorry for me, but it is a fact - and it has effected the way I play the game from 2002 - Present. Even with my battle with Parkinson's Disease I can play pool at a level higher than most people. I have bad days - I know that. I have good days too. I never use it as an excuse - in fact its just another obstacle to fight through and its always a battle. Some days I win those battles. Some days I don't.

I never give up.
I never back down from it.
I never point fingers.

I choose to look at it positively - and I have chosen to spread that positivity with others. When I share that positivity, it includes sharing my knowledge of this game.

My high run in 14.1 is 212 balls - I did it in March of 2000. It is one of 4 200+ runs I have completed - and I did not do it in a garage all by my lonesome. I can run 100 balls.

You can choose to believe that. You can try to poke holes in it. The fact is that I don't give a shit what you believe. I have a hard enough time keeping up with my own thoughts and opinions, I won't waste my energy worrying about yours.

What I do care about is that if you want to call me a liar, at least have the balls to come down here and say it directly to my face. I would respect that. I can't respect somebody that gets on the phone with someone - or has a conversation with someone that apparently has an ax to grind with me - for the mere purpose of attacking my credibility.

My mind goes in this direction - what is motivating them to do that? Usually they have to put others down to make themselves feel better.

In my experience, 9 times out of 10 these people with resentments are hiding on the internet anyway - and I don't have time for their silly games. Obviously you do, and that's more your problem than it is mine.

Have a great day, Brian, and tell your source that Blackjack says that they're spineless - in fact - if they have my number, have them call me on the phone and I will say it to them directly. That's how I operate.