Bad Tips

Stoney

Stoney

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How do you guys deal with bad tips, specifically a 'flawed' tip from your supplier/manufacturer? Do you have or get some kind of exchange/return deal or do you just absorb the cost and move on?

I rarely buy more than 25 laminated tips at one time of a given brand so I am not always buying at the best price and when I come across a bad one it affects the bottom line in a negative way.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Stoney
 
Stoney said:
How do you guys deal with bad tips, specifically a 'flawed' tip from your supplier/manufacturer? Do you have or get some kind of exchange/return deal or do you just absorb the cost and move on?

I rarely buy more than 25 laminated tips at one time of a given brand so I am not always buying at the best price and when I come across a bad one it affects the bottom line in a negative way.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Stoney
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Hi Stoney; Just throw it away & start over. This is one of the reasons your price has to be hi enough, to absorb problems. By the way, what do you consider a "bad tip"?...JER
 
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Just my two cents worth. I'm sitting on about 20 or so Tiger layered tips. Not the Everest, dynamite, or sniper. Mine are dark brown and virtually every one I've put on has delaminated in some way. I am regularly putting on Talisman, Moori, Everest, sniper, dynamite, and etc with no problems. This group of Tiger tips just seem to have a problem. I guess I will eat them.
Like you said, with a big loss.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
 
if the tips are cheap,i would just throw them away.but if i was paying $10 or so and had constant problems i would try and get them replaced or quit dealing with them.
 
TripXQ said:
Just my two cents worth. I'm sitting on about 20 or so Tiger layered tips. Not the Everest, dynamite, or sniper. Mine are dark brown and virtually every one I've put on has delaminated in some way. I am regularly putting on Talisman, Moori, Everest, sniper, dynamite, and etc with no problems. This group of Tiger tips just seem to have a problem. I guess I will eat them.
Like you said, with a big loss.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
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With so many tips being bad, I would try and contact the manufacturer.
Because that many failing has to be a batch problem.
They may be able to help you out.
Neil
 
I have a box of Hercules tips. Every tip is crappy so considering where I bought them, I learned my lesson. I started making milk duds out of them, can't hurt, I was going to chuck them out anyway.
 
Luckily there not 10 bucks a pop, and they are not laminated, but My biggest problems are with lepros. I buy them in almost every size, because the tanning only reaches so far into the tips these days, and I want to get them as close to the ferrule size as possible, but I still get whole boxes that are crap. The smaller sizes seem to do better, but 13.5 and up all seem to be bad for the most part. 13.5mm are usually half and half, and the sizes under that, I don't seem to have many, if any problems.

I can burnish the sides and the actual radius of some, then come back and reshape the radius, sometimes that helps, and sometimes It doesn't.

Greg
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Hi Stoney; Just throqw it away & start over. This is one of the reasons your price has to be hi enough, to absorb problems. By the way, what do you consider a "bad tip"?...JER
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The tip that prompted my question was a Moori III - M. There was a small, hidden flaw through about three layers that only became apparent after I began to size and shape it. Over all I guess I have had more problems with Moori tips than any other brand except possibly LePros. At less than a buck a pop the LePros don't concern me but the last Moori's I bought were about 9 times the cost of the LePro (I'm not bashing Mooris here - they just happen to be the tip in question).

Anyhow, thanks for confirming what I suspected.

Regards,
Stoney
 
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Hi Stoney; Just throw it away & start over. This is one of the reasons your price has to be hi enough, to absorb problems. By the way, what do you consider a "bad tip"?...JER
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I totally agree.
 
Stoney said:
The tip that prompted my question was a Moori III - M. There was a small, hidden flaw through about three layers that only became apparent after I began to size and shape it. Over all I guess I have had more problems with Moori tips than any other brand except possibly LePros. At less than a buck a pop the LePros don't concern me but the last Moori's I bought were about 9 times the cost of the LePro (I'm not bashing Mooris here - they just happen to be the tip in question).

Anyhow, thanks for confirming what I suspected.

Regards,
Stoney
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Hi stoney; It's been my experience that HEAT, is the enemy of most layered tips. Work them at a slower speed & don't rush it. Friction creates the heat, that causes most delamination...JER
 
TripXQ said:
Just my two cents worth. I'm sitting on about 20 or so Tiger layered tips. Not the Everest, dynamite, or sniper. Mine are dark brown and virtually every one I've put on has delaminated in some way. I am regularly putting on Talisman, Moori, Everest, sniper, dynamite, and etc with no problems. This group of Tiger tips just seem to have a problem. I guess I will eat them.
Like you said, with a big loss.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
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try wetting the tip b4 you cut it down. A little spit wiil go along way keeping laminates cutting smoothly with your razor blade.
 
bob_bushka said:
try wetting the tip b4 you cut it down. A little spit wiil go along way keeping laminates cutting smoothly with your razor blade.
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This is the best advice you'll get...that and be sure to use a new sharpest of sharp blade. Many tips don't cut well with the lathe tool, even if you think its doing fine it very well is stressing the layers. Slightly wet the sides and use a sharp razor. I even dampen the top as I crown them. I really don't have any bad tips anymore. Before following this advice I too use to think I was occasionally getting bad tips. Its how you MUST install a Sniper and a good routine to follow on all tips. :wink:
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I have a box of Hercules tips. Every tip is crappy so considering where I bought them, I learned my lesson. I started making milk duds out of them, can't hurt, I was going to chuck them out anyway.
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SOAKING LAYERED TIPS WILL CAUSE THEM TO FALL APART.

I'VE TRIED WHAT YOU ARE DOING, AND HAD NOTHING BUT ISSUES.
 
Cue Crazy said:
Luckily there not 10 bucks a pop, and they are not laminated, but My biggest problems are with lepros. I buy them in almost every size, because the tanning only reaches so far into the tips these days, and I want to get them as close to the ferrule size as possible, but I still get whole boxes that are crap. The smaller sizes seem to do better, but 13.5 and up all seem to be bad for the most part. 13.5mm are usually half and half, and the sizes under that, I don't seem to have many, if any problems.

I can burnish the sides and the actual radius of some, then come back and reshape the radius, sometimes that helps, and sometimes It doesn't.

Greg
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What kind of problems are you finding with Lepro tips?
Ron
 
mreightball said:
What kind of problems are you finding with Lepro tips?
Ron
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The tanning does not go far enough through some of them. This makes them mushy, spongy, elastic, or whatever a better description would be. Sometimes even sizing them as close to the ferrule as possible doesn't work.

Basically they are pretty much worthless to Me when that happens. I had one tip not too long ago that that after installing I could grab the tip and stretch it out to about an inch long while still glued to the ferrule, because the fibres just were too porus. The entire box was that way, and had to toss them. It was not the first time either, That has happened many times to me. Besides customers cues, I use a lot of them on house cues, so I go through many boxes a year, and get a lot of boxes that are bad like that.

I trim them with a razor too, no cutting with a lathe tool.

btw, for anyone wondering, the trick Kevin mentioned does work very well with snipers. I've always done them that way, and have yet to have a problem with those. It works with some other tips too. My advice would be, Just don't over do It with the water, It doesn't take much to trim the tips smoother.

Greg
 
Has anyone ever put a tip in a micro wave. I know someone who did do that to some of his tips but never new the result and never asked him.
Ron
 
mreightball said:
Has anyone ever put a tip in a micro wave. I know someone who did do that to some of his tips but never new the result and never asked him.
Ron
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I once put a moist piece of leather burnisher into the microwave for about 35 seconds, and it come out hot and about 1/2 it's original size. Never tried that again....

Walter
 
I had a superpro tip tonight,that when I went to shape it with a Willards Tip Shaper, the superpro tip went all fluffy.
Has anyone else seen this before?
Thankyou Neil
 
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