Balabushkas - How Many are left

My guess is there are less than 100 unidentified/unknown/undocumented cues left out there. Most of those are almost assuredly still on American soil too.

It's not like the coveted '59 Les Paul,where they estimated at one time there were less than a dozen still left out there that the owner didn't know what they had,etc. The biggest part of the world's supply of the most valuable guitars ever built are now in the hands of Asian collectors with bottomless wallets. Tommy D.
 
I had my Baklava Bushka at the bar with me one night.

The Baklava Bushka is a Greek made cue.

No seriously, I did have my Bushka Tribute cue with me one night. Another player asked me if that was a real Bushka.

At least someone was able to pick out the details of a Bushka cue that would make him ask. He would be the only player in town that would recognize one.

The owner of the old hall owned one of the ones that had a signature. he loaned it out to a guy that didn't have a cue one day for our regular Sat 9 Ball Tourney.

Well, this guy was all pleased as punch showing off the Bushka cue that he was using.

When he showed me and started with the story, I had to burst his bubble for him.

In my life time, I would just love to have one in my hands, take a picture of me with it and maybe even shoot a few balls with it.

That would give me Big Wood.

Then, I would distract the owner by saying, "hey, look at that over there". Then, when he turned his back, I would run out of the hall with it.
 
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I had my Baklava Bushka at the bar with me one night.

The Baklava Bushka is a Greek made cue.

No seriously, I did have my Bushka Tribute cue with me one night. Another player asked me if that was a real Bushka.

At least someone was able to pick out the details of a Bushka cue that would make him ask. He would be the only player in town that would recognize one.

The owner of the old hall owned one of the ones that had a signature. he loaned it out to a guy that didn't have a cue one day for our regular Sat 9 Ball Tourney.

Well, this guy was all pleased as punch showing off the Bushka cue that he was using.

When he showed me and started with the story, I had to burst his bubble for him.

In my life time, I would just love to have one in my hands, take a picture of me with it and maybe even shoot a few balls with it.

That would give me Big Wood.

Then, I would distract the owner by saying, "hey, look at that over there". Then, when he turned his back, I would run out of the hall with it.

There was a friend of the LD a few years back who had a Balabushka that he bought directly from George in the mid 1960s. He let me play with it for 15 or 20 minutes and it really was unique in its feel, I remember it feeling like a piece of flexible, non-breakable glass. He also knew what is was worth and he told me he was going to use to get his daughter into college.

-dj
 
I'm more curious to know how many George actually made. For one man to make 1000 cues, even in a lifetime, is a fantastic accomplishment.
It would depend on what kind of cues you are making. In Dennis Searings old shop he had racks of cues that seemed to be converted Duffern's. As hard as his cues are to get now, at one time he was making cues by the dozen.

Balabushka made a lot of cues out of house cues. He may have made that type of cue as a production cue. No telling how many like that he made. To make a couple hundred cues a year would not be back breaking if he had the motivation. Many cue makers make 100 to 200 a year.
 
They are still poping up from time to time ,ive seen some on ebay and people did not know what they had!…and i believe there are as many as 13-1400 of them no one really knows the exact amount he made not even george himself. he did not keep paper work like gus did!
The thing is though, how many have survived. I know of at least a few that he made for Mike Carella that got smashed into pieces. I saw another get broke in Tampa and thrown in the garbage. A lot of things could have happened to many of the cues.
 
The question never suggested how new or old the cue(s) might be.
It would be a factor if you are trying to produce a fake. He died in 1975 so these cues going back in his career would be pretty darn old and show it if you look in the right places.
 
only two left in the world

I fell into conversation with, or mostly he fell into the area I was trying to practice, a very intoxicated gentleman in a navy uniform when I was at a pool hall. There are only two real Balabushka cues left in the world and he inherited one of them from his dad. It was worth a million or two, I forget which, and he kept it in a bank vault.

I was suitably impressed and told him how lucky he was. As long as he wasn't trying to talk me into the deal of a lifetime I figured I could respect the uniform and show some manners.

Hu
 
It's not like the coveted '59 Les Paul,where they estimated at one time there were less than a dozen still left out there that the owner didn't know what they had,etc. The biggest part of the world's supply of the most valuable guitars ever built are now in the hands of Asian collectors with bottomless wallets. Tommy D.

Nice thing about Balabushka's most of them are still here in the USA.
Many fakes were made in the 80's, hopefully they went far away.. Yes, most of the monsters have been documented by this time. But, I'm sure there are a few in closets of old time players waiting to be discovered.
There are "Coveted" Bushka's like "59' Les Paul.
The Mizerak Fancy "Dove" Bushka would be one of the Holy Grails of cues, and I know it's still in the U.S :)
Best,
Ken
 
I have seen quite a few fakes in the N.Y. N.J area.
Years ago there were fakes going to Japan.

I know quite a few old timers that have Bushkas sitting in the closet.
They will not part with them, they are going to their children and or grandchildren.

Believe me I have tried, and not to steal them. I have shown them what they may be worth, they just don't care. I wanted to help them get a LOA from Pete, they don't want any part of it, they say let the kids worry about that, I will tell them the value.

Some of these are rare beauties.

The Wedding Cue Bushka that was getting a lot of attention belonged to my friend Walter,he stopped playing and wouldn't part with it, he left it to his brother.

Is there any chance of someone having a picture of this cue. I searched on Bing and could not find any of it.
 
Is there any chance of someone having a picture of this cue. I searched on Bing and could not find any of it.

Yes, there are photos I believe in the Wanted For Sale and maybe the Cue Gallery. If you do a search you should find the photos.
 
I know a local pool room to me used to buy cues direct from George for 110 per and sell them to players for 140. They used to do a couple per month for several years. If he had a half dozen rooms like that in the Northeast along with players ordering directly then 1500 isn't an outrageous guess at legitimate cues.
 
no way he made 1200 cues. it took too long to get one and he didnt work all the time. in those days only a few rare players had one. people bought palmers as they were cheaper. he said one time he only put in a few hours a day at most into cues. i bet he didnt make 40 a year average. count mine as one of those 100 never seen. i said heres 150 bucks back make me a stick 13 mm. so he experimented and put a leather wrap on it. the bastard got even with me for beating him in straight pool.. anyone else got one with one of those.
 
The reality is that Efren beat everybody in the world for about 5 years with a 12 dollar Pinoy cue. That being said I still like a great custom cue.
 
I heard the joke as George made 1200 cues and there are 2000 left.

Sadly John I do not belive this is a joke... I have no first hand confessions but I have heard stories of several cuemakers that were better than the others at making "tributes" and had access to the proper equipment and materials to pretty much make a carbon copy that would pass pretty much any scrutiny by experts... Of course this could be merely legend but it's a pretty common one when you hang out with cuemakers.....

Chris
 
Sadly John I do not belive this is a joke... I have no first hand confessions but I have heard stories of several cuemakers that were better than the others at making "tributes" and had access to the proper equipment and materials to pretty much make a carbon copy that would pass pretty much any scrutiny by experts... Of course this could be merely legend but it's a pretty common one when you hang out with cuemakers.....

Chris
There is a catch 22 to that story. Someone with the skills to do that doesn't need to be selling counterfeit cues they can make money with the cues they are making under their own names.

Also to make it even remotely worth doing something like that they would have to be getting really high money for the cues. The buyer who is paying that kind of money is not going to be fooled easily.

It would not be worth the risk of doing it. I know people who if they thought they were screwed like that would stick the person in the everglades. I am not being funny, what cue maker is going to risk their name to make a few bucks and that is all it is.

It is not like they just made a million dollar score like in the drug trade. They made like 10 grand and risked their life. It makes absolutely no sense. And again I am not kidding about that. Guys who spend thousands on cues are not the type who like being screwed.
 
Sadly John I do not belive this is a joke... I have no first hand confessions but I have heard stories of several cuemakers that were better than the others at making "tributes" and had access to the proper equipment and materials to pretty much make a carbon copy that would pass pretty much any scrutiny by experts... Of course this could be merely legend but it's a pretty common one when you hang out with cuemakers.....

Chris

Oh there are definitely counterfeits out there. I think that's what Jay was getting at in the first post.

I think in some circles the names of cue makers who have willingly made counterfeits is known. As well there are others who have made "tributes" that are so close that switching out the bumper for an original period bumper is probably enough to get it sold as an original bushka.

Then there are some who perhaps facilitate the counterfeiting by pointing out all the tells on the originals that counterfeiters can use as a guide. And lastly some even have as part of their business selling original parts that they located from old stock. And if I am not mistaken some of those sellers have even had some of those parts duplicated perfectly.

So the information is out there for anyone who wants to duplicate a Bushka and I guess some of the parts as well.

Always a double edged sword in the land of collectibles. The more something increases in value the more incentive to counterfeit it. Kind of silly to think that a cue that was priced at $100 in 1970 and which is relatively simple to build in both construction and design, which costs 10k+ now wouldn't become a prime target. I guess now though collectors are probably pretty careful and savvy about it and the flow of Bushkas entering the market that are unknown could only be a trickle or suspicions would be heightened considerably.

My guess is guys like Little Kenny, Will Prout and several others have way more insight into this that we ever will.
 
There is a catch 22 to that story. Someone with the skills to do that doesn't need to be selling counterfeit cues they can make money with the cues they are making under their own names.

Also to make it even remotely worth doing something like that they would have to be getting really high money for the cues. The buyer who is paying that kind of money is not going to be fooled easily.

It would not be worth the risk of doing it. I know people who if they thought they were screwed like that would stick the person in the everglades. I am not being funny, what cue maker is going to risk their name to make a few bucks and that is all it is.

It is not like they just made a million dollar score like in the drug trade. They made like 10 grand and risked their life. It makes absolutely no sense. And again I am not kidding about that. Guys who spend thousands on cues are not the type who like being screwed.

I somewhat disagree. The skills to counterfeit a Bushka wouldn't be that hard to acquire. That might be heresy to some but the fact of it is that most competent people can learn to use the tools George did. Whether they can be counted on to follow the exact steps to build it exactly as George did is another story. But let's assume that they have the skill and can make a perfect counterfeit.

It is highly unlikely that they will be able to get $10,000 for a relatively plain cue. I admit that I don't know the current prices of Szambotis, Black Boars, Searings, and Herceks but there are four of the top makers in the US at the moment and I would be surprised to see them selling a plain cue such as most Bushkas are for the price a plain Bushka gets.

referring to cues like this
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Having grown up on True Crime mags that my mom had in the house I often think about how someone would get away with stuff. My thought would be that the only way to do it and have the slightest chance of not being found out would be to make the cues in secret - be an unknown cue maker - completely off the radar - and then filter them into the market through a "found in granddad's closet" type scheme through Ebay.

But even that is going to be tough because most people will want the cue authenticated and they will have to be SUPER GOOD to be able to pass Pete Tascarella's inspection IMO. Any that have already passed, well congratulations, you own a Balabuska even if George didn't build it.

I do also agree about risk/reward. Personally I don't think that the risk fits the reward because not only do they risk prosecution or worse but they also can't do it alone. So they have to split the proceeds with accomplices who may end up betraying them down the line.

Trust is ultimately where all schemes break down. The minute you bring in someone else you have introduced a weak link. But counterfeits Bushkas do exist and some of them are probably not "fake" any more having been accepted as real.

In my business I see a lot of counterfeit stuff on the market. I have a theory that if a counterfeiter can make a clone of the real thing so perfectly that the maker can't tell if he made it then for all practical purposes the item is real. Chew on that for a while. :-)
 
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