Ball in hand foul

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tomatoshooter

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Last night, when repositioning the cue ball with ball in hand, I put my cue on top of the ball to pull it towards me. The other player claimed that the tip touched the ball and that was a foul. This clearly contradicts WPA and BCA rules.

"Players may use any part of the cue stick to move the cue ball,
including the tip, but not with a forward stroke motion."

Another guy was claiming that if the ferrule touched the ball it was a foul. Is this some customary rule that I'm not aware of? It seems like if you are claiming a rule in a published rule set is wrong, you should be able to point to a rule that is correct, I don't care if it's a handwritten piece of paper tape to the wall.
 
tomatoshooter said:
Last night, when repositioning the cue ball with ball in hand, I put my cue on top of the ball to pull it towards me. The other player claimed that the tip touched the ball and that was a foul. This clearly contradicts WPA and BCA rules.

"Players may use any part of the cue stick to move the cue ball,
including the tip, but not with a forward stroke motion."

Another guy was claiming that if the ferrule touched the ball it was a foul. Is this some customary rule that I'm not aware of? It seems like if you are claiming a rule in a published rule set is wrong, you should be able to point to a rule that is correct, I don't care if it's a handwritten piece of paper tape to the wall.
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Stop playing with those guys.
 
tomatoshooter said:
Last night, when repositioning the cue ball with ball in hand, I put my cue on top of the ball to pull it towards me. The other player claimed that the tip touched the ball and that was a foul. This clearly contradicts WPA and BCA rules.

"Players may use any part of the cue stick to move the cue ball,
including the tip, but not with a forward stroke motion."

Another guy was claiming that if the ferrule touched the ball it was a foul. Is this some customary rule that I'm not aware of? It seems like if you are claiming a rule in a published rule set is wrong, you should be able to point to a rule that is correct, I don't care if it's a handwritten piece of paper tape to the wall.
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Just playing with friends? If so they are colossal nits and should be avoided at all costs.
 
RickLafayette said:
It's only a foul if you push the ball into position with the tip.
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Actually, it needs to be in the form of a stroke. If it looks like a shot, it's a shot. We all know what a shot looks like. Again, that is in a sanctioned event. You don't tell the locals they are wrong at their watering hole
 
I did the same thing the other night in League and the guys called me out on it. They let me off, but warned me not to use the tip of my cue to move the ball. I didn't even remember what I actually did, I just took their word for it my tip might have contacted the cue ball. I never made any thing near a stroke on the cue ball or pushed it forward with the front of the tip, probably just maneuvered it by rolling the cue ball with the last few inches of the cue stick. The guys were a bit angry because they were losing, so they were motivated to get picky.
 
tomatoshooter said:
Last night, when repositioning the cue ball with ball in hand, I put my cue on top of the ball to pull it towards me. The other player claimed that the tip touched the ball and that was a foul. This clearly contradicts WPA and BCA rules.

"Players may use any part of the cue stick to move the cue ball,
including the tip, but not with a forward stroke motion."

Another guy was claiming that if the ferrule touched the ball it was a foul. Is this some customary rule that I'm not aware of? It seems like if you are claiming a rule in a published rule set is wrong, you should be able to point to a rule that is correct, I don't care if it's a handwritten piece of paper tape to the wall.
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Any game that allows ball in hand should be banned. Start playing the real
game, 14:1.
 
Forward motion of the cue ball when the tip supposedly touched? No? Deny and demand to see the video!

I do stay three or four inches back from the tip just to avoid any appearance of evil but even before the rules specified the tip could be used as long as there was no forward motion the call these guys are trying to make would be considered bs.

Long ago and not so far away I have played rules where if you touched the cue ball with your stick it was a foul. If you touched it with the chalked part of your tip it was a shot. Does take care of this whole issue even though I think the rules were cooked up locally.

Hu
 
2 habits I tried to develop playing 8 ball across so many rule sets with local variations.
1 Always position the ball with my hand when "in hand".
2 Always call the pocket. Making a verbal and very subtle utterance a part of my routine. Kind of like buckle the seat belt.
Nits will be Nits so the fewer opportunities they find the better. Heck I even had an opponent claim that I had not called the 8 ball when I put my hand on the pocket and tapped twice as I walked around the table. My response to his ludicrous claim was, "I had my hand in the pocket up to my elbow!"
 
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gregcantrall said:
2 habits I tried to develop playing 8 ball across so many rule sets with local variations.
1 Always position the ball with my hand when "in hand".
2 Always call the pocket. Making a verbal and very subtle utterance a part of my routine. Kind of like buckle the seat belt.
Nits will be Nits so the fewer opportunities they find the better. Heck I even had an opponent claim that I had not called the 8 ball when I put my hand on the picket and tapped twice as I walked around the table. My response to his ludicrous claim was, "I had my hand in the pocket up to my elbow!"
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Very well stated. Give them nothing to complain about. Heck if they foul and give you nothing but kicks at the 8 beat them with a 4 rail kick and say absolutely nothing.

I try not to move the rock around with my cue tip just because it might give the perception that I’m getting the CB dirty. I know I’ve heard complaints on here about that. We are a real picky bunch. Lol
 
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ShootingArts said:
(snip)... I do stay three or four inches back from the tip just to avoid any appearance of evil but even before the rules specified the tip could be used as long as there was no forward motion the call these guys are trying to make would be considered bs. ...(snip)

Hu
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Exactly.

I've seen teammates in league and friends in tournaments called for touching the cue ball with their tip get POed.

Nitty calls. Yeah. But, I remind my friends that they had ball-in-hand! They have no excuse -- learn from the experience. Plus, in the big picture they were letting it get into their head and getting sharked.

Edit: Sometimes what goes around comes around. The team that called us for touching the cue with a tip and got BIH was a stickler for the rules.

Fortunately, their captain is a good guy and new the rules well -- plus was willing to pull up the official written interpretations of the rules (i.e., judgements made by a ruling committee) on his phone. So, in other times when his players said that I committed other various types of fouls we went to the interpretations of the rules, and I was deemed to not have committed a foul on 3 occasions.

That was the one year our league officially joined BCA league. So, I read the rules and the written rulings for each rule. Kudos to (a) the other team captain who didn't just automatically back his player when I protested and looked up the official rulings and (b) having a set of official rulings to refer to.
 
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