Bar Table Champions

[instroke75]

If you guys can come out to the U.S. Bar Table Championships in Reno (late Feb.) I think we can get this one on. It is also a good tournament with some decent money attached (about 25K in added money). Glenn, Stan and Edwin will be there. I'm sure two of these three guys will have the backing necessary to play you and Donnie. We're talking about 5K per team, maybe a Race To Ten (or eleven), Eight Ball. How does that sound.

LiVE STREAM IS A MUST IF IT GOES DOWN!

JEREMY

 

[jay helfert]

LiVE STREAM IS A MUST IF IT GOES DOWN!

JEREMY

Definitely! This one is made for TAR. And I think it will be interesting to see an Eight Ball match between top players on a small table.

 

[trustyrusty]

Definitely! This one is made for TAR. And I think it will be interesting to see an Eight Ball match between top players on a small table.

always is....:grin:

 

[macneilb]

I think around 93 or 94 Sammy came thru here. I played him twice in 1 week. Lost the first night, about $200 at $20 a game. Took about 5 hours.
3 days later, I lost $120 at $20 a game in about 6 hours. They had about $50 a game in additional side bets, but could have had another $50 or $100 a game if they wanted.
Junior, Weldon Rogers, when he first came to Indiana, I had no clue who he was. But he was a great bar table player. I'm not sure exactly how unknown he was, but he could knock off a lot of top Pro Players on the bar box.

Yea, the bar box is easier, we've all had this discussion here several times. But you take a Top BIG table player, who never plays bar tables, and try to play against an unknown bar box player, who plays around Weldon's speed, they probably won't like it. Most of the top pro's, play the bar boxes too, out of necessity. Trying to make a living just playing on big tables in this country is extremely hard.
Jeanette lee, along with at 3 other players I know, who I won't mention here, play about 2 balls better on a big table than the bar box. These are guys who are not rated as TOP PRO's, but are great players.

As for UNKNOWN bar box players out there who would beat a Top Pro, I'd have to believe there are a few. But you won't ever get to play them. That's why they are UNKNOWN...... Maybe could have played Pro Tourney's, but can make a hell of a lot more money not playing you, or any Known players.
Chris and Billy against Glen and Montal. That would be a great match. They're all great bar table players, {never seen Billy play}

I couldn't agree w/ you more. Junior was a monster and then some. I've always kinda believed that if a person could be better on a small table than a big table, then it can work the other way around as well. The box is easier, but that doesn't mean that there isn't guys around that play better on it, or some pros that play worse b/c of the lack of space, especially in 8ball. Like one of the old guys said to me, "yeah, the tables smaller...but that just means every inch counts even more b/c you have that much less space to work with."

 

[houmatroy]

I couldn't agree w/ you more. Junior was a monster and then some. I've always kinda believed that if a person could be better on a small table than a big table, then it can work the other way around as well. The box is easier, but that doesn't mean that there isn't guys around that play better on it, or some pros that play worse b/c of the lack of space, especially in 8ball. Like one of the old guys said to me, "yeah, the tables smaller...but that just means every inch counts even more b/c you have that much less space to work with."

A few years back Jamie Farrel in New Orleans lost even to lil jon Macias on the bar box but was beating him giving the 6 on the big table...Jamie shoots real straight & has a high gear on the big table but his game slides way down on the barbox.

 

[trustyrusty]

that fact is lost on some people. I guess it's cuz people play 9ball on barboxes (which is a joke)....long races in 8ball on the box between great players is a joy to watch (cuz I sure don't like playing against them).

 

[Black-Balled]

A few years back Jamie Farrel in New Orleans lost even to lil jon Macias on the bar box but was beating him giving the 6 on the big table...Jamie shoots real straight & has a high gear on the big table but his game slides way down on the barbox.

HAH! I am not fallin' for it!!!!!!!!

 

[Craig]

I think around 93 or 94 Sammy came thru here. I played him twice in 1 week. Lost the first night, about $200 at $20 a game. Took about 5 hours.
3 days later, I lost $120 at $20 a game in about 6 hours. They had about $50 a game in additional side bets, but could have had another $50 or $100 a game if they wanted.
Junior, Weldon Rogers, when he first came to Indiana, I had no clue who he was. But he was a great bar table player. I'm not sure exactly how unknown he was, but he could knock off a lot of top Pro Players on the bar box.

Yea, the bar box is easier, we've all had this discussion here several times. But you take a Top BIG table player, who never plays bar tables, and try to play against an unknown bar box player, who plays around Weldon's speed, they probably won't like it. Most of the top pro's, play the bar boxes too, out of necessity. Trying to make a living just playing on big tables in this country is extremely hard.
Jeanette lee, along with at 3 other players I know, who I won't mention here, play about 2 balls better on a big table than the bar box. These are guys who are not rated as TOP PRO's, but are great players.

As for UNKNOWN bar box players out there who would beat a Top Pro, I'd have to believe there are a few. But you won't ever get to play them. That's why they are UNKNOWN...... Maybe could have played Pro Tourney's, but can make a hell of a lot more money not playing you, or any Known players. Chris and Billy against Glen and Montal. That would be a great match. They're all great bar table players, {never seen Billy play}

Exactly they (MIGHT) beat a top pro for say $10K-$25K, and they need to take a picture and frame it, because after that there going to need to live off that $25K for the rest of their life.

 

[jay helfert]

I always felt it was easier to go down than to come up. By that I mean easier to go from a 9' table down to a 7' table, than vice versa. But even then there was a period of adjustment necessary because the tables were so much different. There's a BIG difference between a Gold Crown and a Valley!

After I had been playing exclusively big tables for months, I would need a few days to get used to the Valleys again. If I was playing all bar pool for a while, it would take even longer to adjust back up. The best thing for me back then was to stay in play on both. But sometimes that wasn't how things worked out.

 

[real bartram]

I think around 93 or 94 Sammy came thru here. I played him twice in 1 week. Lost the first night, about $200 at $20 a game. Took about 5 hours.
3 days later, I lost $120 at $20 a game in about 6 hours. They had about $50 a game in additional side bets, but could have had another $50 or $100 a game if they wanted.
Junior, Weldon Rogers, when he first came to Indiana, I had no clue who he was. But he was a great bar table player. I'm not sure exactly how unknown he was, but he could knock off a lot of top Pro Players on the bar box.

Yea, the bar box is easier, we've all had this discussion here several times. But you take a Top BIG table player, who never plays bar tables, and try to play against an unknown bar box player, who plays around Weldon's speed, they probably won't like it. Most of the top pro's, play the bar boxes too, out of necessity. Trying to make a living just playing on big tables in this country is extremely hard.
Jeanette lee, along with at 3 other players I know, who I won't mention here, play about 2 balls better on a big table than the bar box. These are guys who are not rated as TOP PRO's, but are great players.

As for UNKNOWN bar box players out there who would beat a Top Pro, I'd have to believe there are a few. But you won't ever get to play them. That's why they are UNKNOWN...... Maybe could have played Pro Tourney's, but can make a hell of a lot more money not playing you, or any Known players.
Chris and Billy against Glen and Montal. That would be a great match. They're all great bar table players, {never seen Billy play}

who is billy?

 

[real bartram]

If you guys can come out to the U.S. Bar Table Championships in Reno (late Feb.) I think we can get this one on. It is also a good tournament with some decent money attached (about 25K in added money). Glenn, Stan and Edwin will be there. I'm sure two of these three guys will have the backing necessary to play you and Donnie. We're talking about 5K per team, maybe a Race To Ten (or eleven), Eight Ball. How does that sound.

dont think donny will go there if we have a game me and kirkwood will play 8 ball with them let me know.

 

[smoooothstroke]

not that simple

dont get me wrong the guys that play perfect on the barbox are great on the bigtable too.

i just laugh though when people talk like guys like me have no clue how to play on a bartable .its not rocket science its a joke.

guys like bowman and kirkwood who are thought of as bartable champions are great players period.
i consider them champions on any table .


one time i played paul turner on a bartable.

i had not been on a bartable in years .

i beat him 18 ahead in about 3 hours.

afterwords someone said that was paul turner you beat.hes mr bartable.

it didnt matter who i was playing getting out was a joke it was like playing checkers compared to chess.

by the way if you make a golf hole a foot wide i putt good.

also if you make a basketball rim 5 feet wide and 6 feet off the ground i look like i could play michael jordan.

think about it bar tables are ridiculous .

Good points but I think you over simplify.

The open shots on a bar box are much easier to pocket.Combos,caroms and banks become very high percentage shots.There is much more traffic to manuever around on a small table.Clusters can be tough to deal with for a player who doen't play alot on the BB,even if you break the cluster you may create another problem ball somewhere else on the table.

Not sure about 9 ball on a BB but I think most top players would have a higher percentage of running 8 ball racks on the big table then a small table.I think strategy could come into play more on a BB then a 9 footer.

 

[jay helfert]

dont think donny will go there if we have a game me and kirkwood will play 8 ball with them let me know.

Chris, I appreciate your wanting to do something, but Jason may not be acceptable as a substitute for Donnie. He is a well known bar table champion, certainly rated over either Glenn or Stan or Edwin.

 

[smoooothstroke]

If you take some of the top BB players who are just a notch bellow the pros on 9's and consider that they consistently win weekly and region tourney on the BB-even though the short races would seamingly make this unlikely-its not hard to believe they may be able to beat the pros who rarely play on the 7' tables.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Good points but I think you over simplify.

The open shots on a bar box are much easier to pocket.Combos,caroms and banks become very high percentage shots.There is much more traffic to manuever around on a small table.Clusters can be tough to deal with for a player who doen't play alot on the BB,even if you break the cluster you may create another problem ball somewhere else on the table.

Not sure about 9 ball on a BB but I think most top players would have a higher percentage of running 8 ball racks on the big table then a small table.I think strategy could come into play more on a BB then a 9 footer.

People that are top pros, are not just top pros because they shoot really straight. They know how to deal with clusters. Especially those who are masters of 14.1 like John. They don't just smack the cueball into the cluster as hard as they can and hope to get lucky. They have a pretty good idea of where the balls are gonna go usually.

I do agree that pros will run more racks of 9ball on a barbox than 8ball. 9ball is like a joke to them on the small table.

 

[donny mills]

Believe it or not, there are a few unknown champions left, Donny. And some of them can have a little the best of it against a top pro on the bar table. Maybe I just need to sneak down to Florida with one, seeing as how that is the only place where some people can play because they refuse to gamble in other states. Som

Please oh please sneak down to florida with one of these champs. I'll be waiting here to play like the sucker I am.

 

[jay helfert]

Believe it or not, there are a few unknown champions left, Donny. And some of them can have a little the best of it against a top pro on the bar table. Maybe I just need to sneak down to Florida with one, seeing as how that is the only place where some people can play because they refuse to gamble in other states. Som

Please oh please sneak down to florida with one of these champs. I'll be waiting here to play like the sucker I am.

Donny, you have a chance to play a $10,000 match with Chris as your partner. What's wrong with that?
5K per team.

 

[TWOFORPOOL]

Chris, I appreciate your wanting to do something, but Jason may not be acceptable as a substitute for Donnie. He is a well known bar table champion, certainly rated over either Glenn or Stan or Edwin.

Seems like Chris has realized the original match is a little tougher that he thought. He has to get a Barbox Champion to win!!!

 

[real bartram]

Seems like Chris has realized the original match is a little tougher that he thought. He has to get a Barbox Champion to win!!!

not true donny will not go to reno he will not fly i think we have so much the best of this game one of the best games ill ever get.

 

[bignasty]

ok...

not true donny will not go to reno he will not fly i think we have so much the best of this game one of the best games ill ever get.

you have TARs attention...get it set up chris..i sent donnie a pm also