I don't see where anyone was cheated..They all got paid to play pool..Bad business but cheated I don't think is the word. And I can only speak for the ppl I know..And they were all paid in full..As for returning and playing for a reduced price. I think some money is better than none. They atkeast made an effort to do somethin..When things don't go as planned u have to negotiate and all parties seemed to accept here..
BB Players have be paid!!!!
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I don't see where anyone was cheated..They all got paid to play pool..Bad business but cheated I don't think is the word. And I can only speak for the ppl I know..And they were all paid in full..As for returning and playing for a reduced price. I think some money is better than none. They atkeast made an effort to do somethin..When things don't go as planned u have to negotiate and all parties seemed to accept here..
If they owe this I agree they should pay
Let's slow down a moment here. No doubt that the players have been jerked around for months by the Bonus Ball proprietors, and there is also no denying that the Bonus Ball venture, at least in part, has led to the elimination of some events on the American pool calendar.
Where I take exception to your post is that you pin it on the Bonus Ball proprietors. Nonpayment of the players was, in no way, responsible for the loss of some pro events. To this point, the Bonus Ball proprietors are guilty of putting together a business model that didn't work. Nonetheless, all professional players who signed on with Bonus Ball were presented with a contract that would restrict their participation in the major American pool events.
A couple of premier American players, US Open 9-ball champion Shane Van Boening and Mike Dechaine (the only American player that had a Top 10 in both the 2013 US Open 9-ball championship and 2013 US Open 10-ball championship), chose to forgo such an arrangement, viewing the Bonus Ball contract as too restrictive. Our bad luck as American pool fans was that a few more prominent players didn't see things the way Shane and Mike saw them, for had this been the case, the proprietors at Bonus Ball may have been forced to revise the contract to be less restrictive.
Those professional players who signed the Bonus Ball contract who allowed and, in some case tried to ensure that, some major American events would financially suffer, are chiefly responsible for the impact of Bonus Ball on the American pool calendar. Having said that, I suspect that the majority of those who signed the Bonus Ball contract believed they were doing what was best for both themselves and their sport, but barring a miraculous revitalization of the WPBL, the damage has been done to American pool.
It's a sad story all around, but to assign the blame for the events lost on the Bonus Ball proprietors is very unfair.
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But what's really important is that ~8 AZers are excited about someone else received a paycheck for doing their job. I mean, come on Jerry, that's breaking news. In fact, I'm going to make a post every two weeks about it.
YAY: I GOT PAID FOR WORKING! WOOHOOO! POOL ROCKS!!!!!
Every.
2.
Weeks.
Yeah, I'm sure that was the deal -- I'm sure Lee Brett moved to Las Vegas with the expectations of getting paid with Bonus Ball sets. They didn't pay him, drug it out to the point where he was forced to living in his car, made him desperate and then offered him the ball sets and made him sign a paper accepting that as payment.
NOBODY is making deals to work for ball sets--- ball sets can't pay for rent or food. They straight-up robbed Lee and afterwards, rubbed it in his face by hiring Michaela.
You say you cannot afford to work around other events but then you shut down for 4 months with the meter running????
I was all in favor of this working... for the players... I watched the live streams and actually enjoyed it enough to root for it but after the entire soap opera I hope the players get out without suffering more damage...
That is simply my personal opinion... I have talked to several of the players and all and all not a single one of them was not damaged in some way by Larry and his staff's actions.... I would hope after they collect checks if they clear that they file a joint suit against the entity....
I also would not be surprised to see some other issues come out of this over the fact that everyone was a 1099 employee... The tax man cometh soon and they my end up piercing the subcontract status of those involved... With the wrath they have brought down on themselves I would not be surprised if several anon tips haven't already been called in... Once they are no longer contracted employees the labor commission will come in and things get even uglier.......
I understand people wanting this to work... I do not understand expecting a sudden change to occur after the evidence that has amassed, to the ceiling, to the effect that these are not the right people or this is not the right game/concept
/rant off
Chris
JERRY FORSYTH....I think JF has a reputation in the pool world as a honest ,respectable,and truthful person.His last post shows a consistant pattern of BB taking advantage of people and not paying their debts. PUTUP,my question to you is ,did your player friends get paid in full the "honest way" by BB sending them a check for the full amount with no strings attached,or did they get paid in full the "hostage way " forcing them to return to LV [at the players expense] and playing more at a reduced rate?
Since AZB was stiffed, were other vendors also given the bums rush as well?
It's not necessarily a bad deal that the players are being paid less for matches from 11/2 onward, because they're being asked to spend *a lot* less work. The players are now spending a week or so in Vegas playing all the matches for the rest of the season, instead of going to Vegas every week for 10+ weeks, or having to move to Vegas.
BTW, that's something BB could have done at the outset to manage costs and minimize conflicts with other events. Probably someone here even recommended that.
Neither Firearms nor bondage are required for an employer to 'take an employee hostage', and if blow-us ball thinks their players' contract makes the players something other than employees in the eyes of the labor commission, well they gon be saddened by the court proceedings.
It has been a predatory relationship, no doubt.
It has been a predatory relationship, no doubt.
So they are going to tape the whole season in advance? It seems once everybody knows what happened people will care about watching even less. Why PAY, to watch matches when you already know who wins? For that matter how the match went as far as exciting or a sleeper. Do they plan on taping these in a sound proof room with no audience to keep it secret?
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Where are the millions of subscribers gonna hear about it? The New York Times, or one of those inside pool magazines the they (don't) faithfully send?
IF THEY OWE THIS???? 
What part of "they ran banner ads for an entire year without paying, or responding to invoices" did you not understand? 
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
What part of "they ran banner ads for an entire year without paying, or responding to invoices" did you not understand? Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Heck yeah...pretty soon maybe they will be playing for $.10 on the dollar! What a great deal...but at least they're getting "paid to play"! LOL Pro players, at least some of them, have not been known to be the brightest bulb in the pack...but hey, it beats working for a living!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Stu...Well...at least themselves (which is pretty much how it's always been)! 
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Neal...That's just TOO funny! LOL Tried to rep yoiu, but I have to "spread it around" some more first! :thumbup:
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http://poolknowledge.com
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What? Where do they advertise besides AZ and maybe a few billiard mags? I have a feeling every subscriber, if they have any, learned about BB from AZ. Can you show me where they advertise to reach the millions of subscribers? BB exists in a subcultural pool world vacuum that is very very small.
I would bet the investors got taken also. As fast as they ran out of money (if it was ever there) someone skimmed a bit of it. I feel a little sorry for the players, but not much. The ABP has a lawyer. Did Johnny A ask his advice on the contract or a good business man/investor how the deal looked for the players and BB's future.
I don't know how many times the players are going to bend over and take it before they wise up. Johnnyt
I don't know how many times the players are going to bend over and take it before they wise up. Johnnyt