BCA Grants Funding For - US Pro Tour System

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MikeJanis

Banned
Re: What The Funding Is Used For

The funding will be used to create a framework consisting of:

38, $25,000 added BCA US Pro Tour (BCAUSPT) events
8 televised events over a 5 year period.

6, $25K added events + 1 TV event in year 1.
8, $25K added events + 1 TV event in year 2.
Years 3, 4 and 5 will have 8, $25K added events and 2TV events each.



YES, this is an April Fools Joke but it doesn't have to be.

Please send your letter of support today !
to:
propoolusa@yahoo.com



Re: BCA Pro Pool Proposal - Your Response is Needed !
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http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=93715

Re: "Time For A Plan" http://azbilliards.com/2000storyb.cfm?storynum=5076
Re: "Presenting a Solution for Pool" http://www.insidepoolmag.com/billia...senting-a-solution-for-pool-200802035882.html


Thank you to all of you who have supported me in this venture monetarily and other. As you know I addressed the BCA Board of Directors with the proposal in February. It was well received by the BCA board and as a result they formed an inner committee of 5 of their board members. The members of this committee are scheduled to meet and discuss the proposal THIS week. From there the views of the committee will be voted on by the entire BCA Board of Directors.

What I need from you now is your continued support. I have setup an email account so you can have a voice directly to the BCA. I will forward all emails from this account directly to the sub-committee so they can have your opinions.

I urge you to send a comprehensive letter to this email stating why you think the BCA should pursue a professional pool program here in the USA. In addition to your opinion please state whether if or if not this would garnish your support for the BCA as a member and or sponsor of said professional tour.

Please send all correspondences to: propoolusa@yahoo.com

Thank you for your continued support.

Respectfully,

Mj
 
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While a well-funded pro tour is something we all hope for, I'd say a major BCA priority should be to have US National Championships for both men and women.
 
Bob Jewett said:
While a well-funded pro tour is something we all hope for, I'd say a major BCA priority should be to have US National Championships for both men and women.
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Bob, for the sake of debate....


If the BCA had these US National Championships how would the players enter ?

Would it be an Open entry ?

Would it be a Qualifuing entry ?

Would it be by rankings nd if so what rankings ?

Did I miss anything ?


Lastly,,,,,,, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT JUST A 1 EVENT THING? We already have plenty of those.
 
MikeJanis said:
Bob, for the sake of debate....


If the BCA had these US National Championships how would the players enter ?

Would it be an Open entry ?

Would it be a Qualifuing entry ?

Would it be by rankings nd if so what rankings ?

Did I miss anything ?


Lastly,,,,,,, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT JUST A 1 EVENT THING? We already have plenty of those.
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I see no problem with it being an open entry. Maybe the top 8 ranked players should be seeded in the draw. In the old days of the U.S. Open 14.1 championships, all the players got there through qualifiers.

My main point is that unlike most countries, the US has never had a national championship tournament at pool*. Every year there is a tournament to determine the US national champion at 3-cushion. Every year, there is a tournament to determine the US national champion at snooker. There is no national tournament for pool, except for the juniors.

It is the responsibility of the BCA under the WPA to organize national championships.

* -- at least not in the past 50 years and more.
 
You don't need the BCA for funding - with your current long list of sponsors, just sell a pool room the idea to hold $25K added events & give them all that product in return. You could have Viking Billiard product stores across the land after the pool rooms hold these events.
 
watchez said:
You don't need the BCA for funding - with your current long list of sponsors, just sell a pool room the idea to hold $25K added events & give them all that product in return. You could have Viking Billiard product stores across the land after the pool rooms hold these events.
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If it was only that simple...........
 
Mike

I am pretty sure that you received my e-mail. I haven't heard back from you. SO I guess I'll ask you some questions here.

Question #1 - Why another "tour"?

"Tours" as in "tournaments" where players show up to win money has never worked, has never sold to the mainstream, and it has never profited anybody in the past. Why make another one?

Are we trying to keep the streak going? :p

No matter what kind of prize money they (the BCA) are willing to put up, they will have to pull the plug when they see no return on the investment. They owe that to their membership. That is what concerns me with this plan - plus we already know that nobody can sell tournament pool - never could sell it - never will sell it to anybody - so how is this different than 99 other tours we have had in the past? IMO, its just another tournament.


Question #2 (2 part question)
The BCA has been around for a long time. If they believed in professional pool, they would have already invested some of their assets into it - they haven't done that up til now - so...

a) Why have they refused to invest in professional pool for the last 20+ years and why do you think they might do so now...

and

b) What happens when/if this investment doesn't work out? Where do we turn to then?

Question 3 -

a)Is the BCA (in design) equipped to market, fund, and govern pool if it reaches the popularity enjoyed by the UFC, WPT, or the NBA?

b)If so, how do they plan to achieve that, and what is their plan of attack to attract viewers of those sports/games to watch our players?

c)What if we can't do that, and sponsors pull the plug? Is there a contingency plan?

These are my questions. I have also communicated my other concerns to you personally in my e-mail. I'm just curious to hear your answers and yes I think these are fair questions.
 
Hey David....

Blackjack said:
Mike

I am pretty sure that you received my e-mail. I haven't heard back from you. SO I guess I'll ask you some questions here.

Question #1 - Why another "tour"?

"Tours" as in "tournaments" where players show up to win money has never worked, has never sold to the mainstream, and it has never profited anybody in the past. Why make another one?

Are we trying to keep the streak going? :p

No matter what kind of prize money they (the BCA) are willing to put up, they will have to pull the plug when they see no return on the investment. They owe that to their membership. That is what concerns me with this plan - plus we already know that nobody can sell tournament pool - never could sell it - never will sell it to anybody - so how is this different than 99 other tours we have had in the past? IMO, its just another tournament.


Question #2 (2 part question)
The BCA has been around for a long time. If they believed in professional pool, they would have already invested some of their assets into it - they haven't done that up til now - so...

a) Why have they refused to invest in professional pool for the last 20+ years and why do you think they might do so now...

and

b) What happens when/if this investment doesn't work out? Where do we turn to then?

Question 3 -

a)Is the BCA (in design) equipped to market, fund, and govern pool if it reaches the popularity enjoyed by the UFC, WPT, or the NBA?

b)If so, how do they plan to achieve that, and what is their plan of attack to attract viewers of those sports/games to watch our players?

c)What if we can't do that, and sponsors pull the plug? Is there a contingency plan?

These are my questions. I have also communicated my other concerns to you personally in my e-mail. I'm just curious to hear your answers and yes I think these are fair questions.
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I think that these are valid questions and I personally think that the best thing to help generate interest in pool on TV is to get personal, with all of the reality shows on TV nowadays, I think that a pool player reality show could do the trick.

The problem with that, is what are they going to offer as the prize? They can offer cash, but there is no regulatory body that can say, oh don't let him particiapate, he is a pro. nor is there a tour that they can offer membership to; however, if there was a tour sponsored by the BCA that is recognized as THE pro tour, then you could offer a cash prize and membership in the tour. Maybe even paid hotel and entries etc. for the tour as a prize in the reality show.

This would give the viewing public a chance to take sides and get to know the players on a personal level. I think that is what has been missing from professional pool. The average viewer doesn't get a chance to connect to them on a personal level, hell most of us here know several of the pros personally, or we interact with them on a daily basis through this website. That connection gives us more of a personal stake in the outcome of the matches that we watch. Hell why, do you think that a JS QH match would be the most watched pool match in modern times, or if we could get a allison fisher, slash any male pro player match, like was done with tennis back in the day. Personal interest. We need to establish personal interest by the general pool playing constituency. The BCA or the APA could easily reach the majority of the pool playing population because the mojority of the PPP (pool playing population) are members of their organizations. Have the local directors pass out flyers for showtimes to the PPP and you might actually get decent ratings.

I think it would be funny to see a reality show where the participants are chatting on AZ to keep abreast of what's going on.

Jaden.
 
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another thing.

I think that a reality TV show should be setup like the Contender was. You have various drills as tests of ability, and practice matches and you build up the tension between two players each week as they determine who's gonna play who and what game they are going to play.

I think this also dispells the problem with the PPP not understanding what really goes into pool. The thought processes, etc. you have coaches, you have the PPP and audience able to hear and see what goes on beihnd the scenes. I think that unlike most sports like golf, the average viewer just doesn't understand what is happening at the table. With a setup like this, I think it will create personal interest and personal desire to learn what is being shown.

Jaden.
 
Blackjack said:
Mike

I am pretty sure that you received my e-mail. I haven't heard back from you. SO I guess I'll ask you some questions here.

I must have missed that email. Which address did you send it to ?

Question #1 - Why another "tour"?

"Tours" as in "tournaments" where players show up to win money has never worked, has never sold to the mainstream, and it has never profited anybody in the past. Why make another one?

Are we trying to keep the streak going? :p

My proposal should not be considered another tour. Its more like a foundation system to build a tour on.

Many tours, players, promoters and sponsors alike have profited from tours in the past and current. Why do you think there are sooo many? The problem is that they compete against each other instead of competing on the same plain that does not disrupt the current tours but adds to them and the future of our sport.


No matter what kind of prize money they (the BCA) are willing to put up, they will have to pull the plug when they see no return on the investment. They owe that to their membership. That is what concerns me with this plan - plus we already know that nobody can sell tournament pool - never could sell it - never will sell it to anybody - so how is this different than 99 other tours we have had in the past? IMO, its just another tournament.

On the funding issue the proposal calls for a 5 year guarantee. During that 5 year period the tour will attract mostly inside industry sponsorship and hopefully some outside sponsorship. During the 1st 5 years the system will only operate from the funding asked for from the BCA. No more, no less. The good part is that during those 5 years the system will make money and that money will be used to secure the following years.

Pool, tours, tournaments have been sold over and over in the past to many outside and inside sponsors. Unfortunately the tours and or events had no structure to build upon to keep longevity. It always seemed like they put it all in instead of following a secure plan that would guarantee the future of said tour/event.

As stated in previous posts. Re: Outside Industry Corporate Sponsorships

The structure of this system will be extremely vast. It will encompass almost every part on North America with hundreds of events ranging from local grass roots style events and promotions to national and international television exposure. The huge majority of market segments that this system will cover is exactly what will attract large outside industry corporate sponsors to our sport. We will no longer be trying to sell multi billion dollar companies one or two events at a time but instead be selling to them hundreds of events that cover every market segment that our industry has to offer. This in its self is one of the main reasons the BCA should take the initiative lead in this excellent opportunity to create the foundation for which our sport can build upon for many generations to come.[/SIZE]

Question #2 (2 part question)
The BCA has been around for a long time. If they believed in professional pool, they would have already invested some of their assets into it - they haven't done that up til now - so...


a) Why have they refused to invest in professional pool for the last 20+ years and why do you think they might do so now...

I have NO CLUE

and

b) What happens when/if this investment doesn't work out? Where do we turn to then?

For the BCA, it's not an investment. Its a way of streamlining funding in a more effecient way than they currently are for promoting our sport.

The simple fact from based on a BCA annual report is that this system would be cheaper and more effecient than what they have spent in the past to promote our sport. It does not take away from their other programs or sponsorships it just streamlines the way they advertise to support our sport and their members.

Question 3 -

a)Is the BCA (in design) equipped to market, fund, and govern pool if it reaches the popularity enjoyed by the UFC, WPT, or the NBA?

b)If so, how do they plan to achieve that, and what is their plan of attack to attract viewers of those sports/games to watch our players?

c)What if we can't do that, and sponsors pull the plug? Is there a contingency plan?

A: I do not have that answer.
B: see above answer.
C: This system is not based on sponsorship for the 1st 5 years. No plug to pull.

These are my questions. I have also communicated my other concerns to you personally in my e-mail. I'm just curious to hear your answers and yes I think these are fair questions.
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See replies in RED above.
Mj
 
Blackjack said:
Mike

I am pretty sure that you received my e-mail. I haven't heard back from you. SO I guess I'll ask you some questions here.

Question #1 - Why another "tour"?

"Tours" as in "tournaments" where players show up to win money has never worked, has never sold to the mainstream, and it has never profited anybody in the past. Why make another one?

Are we trying to keep the streak going? :p

No matter what kind of prize money they (the BCA) are willing to put up, they will have to pull the plug when they see no return on the investment. They owe that to their membership. That is what concerns me with this plan - plus we already know that nobody can sell tournament pool - never could sell it - never will sell it to anybody - so how is this different than 99 other tours we have had in the past? IMO, its just another tournament.


Question #2 (2 part question)
The BCA has been around for a long time. If they believed in professional pool, they would have already invested some of their assets into it - they haven't done that up til now - so...

a) Why have they refused to invest in professional pool for the last 20+ years and why do you think they might do so now...

and

b) What happens when/if this investment doesn't work out? Where do we turn to then?

Question 3 -

a)Is the BCA (in design) equipped to market, fund, and govern pool if it reaches the popularity enjoyed by the UFC, WPT, or the NBA?

b)If so, how do they plan to achieve that, and what is their plan of attack to attract viewers of those sports/games to watch our players?

c)What if we can't do that, and sponsors pull the plug? Is there a contingency plan?

These are my questions. I have also communicated my other concerns to you personally in my e-mail. I'm just curious to hear your answers and yes I think these are fair questions.
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WOWEE you are pretty negative there Dave-No tour will work ever?? We might as well throw in the towel? DIdn't you recently support the "millionaire tour" or whatever it was? Now nothing will work ever?

I believe with their 'connections' the BCA can find sponsors for a measly 25K added tour. As far as the past, why worry about that. Mike is on the Board now and apparently has the ear of at least a few members. He should have a better feel for the possibilities there and there are some apparently.
 
Fragged said:
WOWEE you are pretty negative there Dave-No tour will work ever?? We might as well throw in the towel? DIdn't you recently support the "millionaire tour" or whatever it was? Now nothing will work ever?

I believe with their 'connections' the BCA can find sponsors for a measly 25K added tour. As far as the past, why worry about that. Mike is on the Board now and apparently has the ear of at least a few members. He should have a better feel for the possibilities there and there are some apparently.
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CORRECTION, I am not on the board. I am currently running to be a board member....



Mj
 
Fragged said:
WOWEE you are pretty negative there Dave-No tour will work ever?? We might as well throw in the towel? DIdn't you recently support the "millionaire tour" or whatever it was? Now nothing will work ever?

I believe with their 'connections' the BCA can find sponsors for a measly 25K added tour. As far as the past, why worry about that. Mike is on the Board now and apparently has the ear of at least a few members. He should have a better feel for the possibilities there and there are some apparently.
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Negative? Giving up? I asked a few important questions and Mike furnished some answers. I remain open to establishing a dialog with Mike and several other people within the BCA system. If we fail to communicate our concerns, we will repeat the mistakes of the past.

As far as tournament pool - my opinion is that we can't keep trying to repackage the same thing we have been trying to sell for the past 40+ years. We need to develop something that will draw interest and a profit for investors. Until we do that the big money will continue to ignore us, and I'm pretty sure Mike and I are in agreement with that. That is why we have to be careful with every step we take from here on forward.

As far as the NACPBA, lol... it had my support until it didn't have my support. FWIW, I was never a part of that tour at all - and I laugh out loud at everybody that has insinuated that to my face and behind my back. lol
 
MikeJanis said:
Thank you to all of you who have supported me in this venture monetarily and other. As you know I addressed the BCA Board of Directors with the proposal in February. It was well received by the BCA board and as a result they formed an inner committee of 5 of their board members. The members of this committee are scheduled to meet and discuss the proposal THIS week. From there the views of the committee will be voted on by the entire BCA Board of Directors.

What I need from you now is your continued support. I have setup an email account so you can have a voice directly to the BCA. I will forward all emails from this account directly to the sub-committee so they can have your opinions.

I urge you to send a comprehensive letter to this email stating why you think the BCA should pursue a professional pool program here in the USA. In addition to your opinion please state whether if or if not this would garnish your support for the BCA as a member and or sponsor of said professional tour.

Please send all correspondences to: propoolusa@yahoo.com

Thank you for your continued support.

Respectfully,

Mj
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Do we get to see the proposal before we decide to support it? All I see are some articles about how you were going to present a proposal... but nothing that talks about the proposal itself. Did I miss something?:confused:
 
lodini said:
Do we get to see the proposal before we decide to support it? All I see are some articles about how you were going to present a proposal... but nothing that talks about the proposal itself. Did I miss something?:confused:
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lodini, nope you don't get to see the whole thing. Sorry about that but its for 2 reasons.

1. Its wouldn't be very prudent from a business point of view.
2. I don't want to back the BCA (or any other potential organizations) into a corner and not give them options.


lodoni, if you do an advanved search here on AZ using my name mikejanis and the key word "proposal" and or "BCA" you will find many discussions regarding this proposal. In fact, you will see almost every part of the proposal in a raw or developement form.


Mj

For those that did not read the 1st post: This is an,

APRIL FOOLS JOKE

The BCA has not yet Voted on this proposal.
 
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