Best bar table player with the big rock?

[satman]

I know who they are!!!!!

I will be a fool if I deny the greatness of those three u mentioned.What I am wondering is whether those greats can still play with the same speed they played 10 years ago.Few years ago in a bar box tournament in JOB Billiards,Madison,TN, Shannon daulton was doing the lines.Eventhough shannon was a roadie he did not know who Jason and Richie were till they beat david matlock,Johny archer,Shannon daulton.Then all the big wigs knew who these kids were.I told shannon that these guys are from Michigan.

You're absolutely right about the old guys still being able to hang with these 3 fellas. I think on any given day it could be a toss up, but when you talk about the big cue ball, I'm not sure the three young guns have ever even seen a bar table with the big cue ball. I definitely like the way they play the game though. Sam

 

[Grady]

Weldon

I played Sammy a few years back. The first night for about 5 hours, he won 10 games at $20 a pop. 3 nights later he came back and we played 4 more hours and he won 6 games at $20 again plus a little on the side. He had the option to bet another $50 a game and passed on it. I was told later I couldn't beat him and shouldn't have been playing. My buddy beat him twice right after that for a total around $2500. Maybe I caught him at the right time. This was with the regular size cue ball though. Anyone heard of Weldon Rogers???? Sam


Weldon and I used to travel together and yes, he played as good as anyone on the bar table, especially with the big cue ball.Get my book if you'd like more Weldon stories.
If the Joe S. is Joe Salizar I beat him too, with the big ball. I put up everything I had and played a nice set to win.
Little Al reminded me of something I had forgotten. In Colo. Spgs. one night we were playing a ring game on the bar table with the big rock. Kenny Anderson, Dick Henry, Little Al, me and two or three other guys whose names I don't recall. I ran out of money and went upstairs to refuel from my girlfriend. I had a hellova time talking her out of our money. Anyway I go back downstairs, Ralph's Supper Club, get a good shot and ran 15 or 20 racks. Nobody can remember for sure. But I might even have run more because once I got a good shot nobody else got back to the table.
As I'm remembering back I don't recall anyone beating me playing even on the small table. Matlock came into prominence a few years after the guys like me and Weldon.
I heard that Keith and Matlock did play one time, somewhere in the midwest, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[watchez]

I just played a ring game on my video pool game between Matlock, Keith, Grady, Joe S., Jessie, & Jason Kirkwood using the big cue ball on a bar table. I played 100 games. Matlock won 32, Keith won 29, Jessie won 22, Jason won 9 games, Joe S. won 6 games and Grady won 2. That should put an end to this discussion. Technology is great.

 

[uwate]

Grady, is this ring game session the most racks you have ever ran or did you ever have a better session?

 

[Snapshot9]

Yes ...

I played Sammy a few years back. The first night for about 5 hours, he won 10 games at $20 a pop. 3 nights later he came back and we played 4 more hours and he won 6 games at $20 again plus a little on the side. He had the option to bet another $50 a game and passed on it. I was told later I couldn't beat him and shouldn't have been playing. My buddy beat him twice right after that for a total around $2500. Maybe I caught him at the right time. This was with the regular size cue ball though. Anyone heard of Weldon Rogers???? Sam


Weldon and I used to travel together and yes, he played as good as anyone on the bar table, especially with the big cue ball.Get my book if you'd like more Weldon stories.
If the Joe S. is Joe Salizar I beat him too, with the big ball. I put up everything I had and played a nice set to win.
Little Al reminded me of something I had forgotten. In Colo. Spgs. one night we were playing a ring game on the bar table with the big rock. Kenny Anderson, Dick Henry, Little Al, me and two or three other guys whose names I don't recall. I ran out of money and went upstairs to refuel from my girlfriend. I had a hellova time talking her out of our money. Anyway I go back downstairs, Ralph's Supper Club, get a good shot and ran 15 or 20 racks. Nobody can remember for sure. But I might even have run more because once I got a good shot nobody else got back to the table.
As I'm remembering back I don't recall anyone beating me playing even on the small table. Matlock came into prominence a few years after the guys like me and Weldon.
I heard that Keith and Matlock did play one time, somewhere in the midwest, if I'm not mistaken.

I believe it was Keith that made a reference in the pro section about coming\
back from out west and stopped in the midwest, and beat Matlock. Watching
good tournament Pool is good, but watching a great money matchup for big
bucks is the BEST. (winning one is even better ... lol)

 

[hemicudas]

????

I played Sammy a few years back. The first night for about 5 hours, he won 10 games at $20 a pop. 3 nights later he came back and we played 4 more hours and he won 6 games at $20 again plus a little on the side. He had the option to bet another $50 a game and passed on it. I was told later I couldn't beat him and shouldn't have been playing. My buddy beat him twice right after that for a total around $2500. Maybe I caught him at the right time. This was with the regular size cue ball though. Anyone heard of Weldon Rogers???? Sam

And your buddy was_____________________?

 

[Grady]

Bar box

Yes, that was the most racks I ever ran, although I did run out some whole sets, one a six ahead against Buddy and one a five ahead against Cole Dickson and some others that don't come immediately to mind.
I didn't mean my post to say I never lost back then. I booked some losers but not too many.
Now that I've stated some of my past let me say that today's players are generally better and there are lots of them. Every small and medium sized event I go to I see another 5 or 10 young guys who don't miss a ball. They're great with the jump cue, too.
When it came to the small table I was kind of between eras of great players. I got ushered into the game by men like Bakersfield Bob, Weldon Rogers, etc.
I lived in LA for a couple of years around 68' and 69'. I reached the point where nobody in Daisy Mae's would play me and that's saying something. This was just before the Keith era, although he was just beginning to hang around Vern Peterson's place in Bellflower.
I just kinda started not playing much bar pool about 77'. Around 1972 when I moved to Colo. Spgs. I'd often go to Denver and play a young, talented Danny Medina, with the big ball.He always gave me a great game.
Let me tell ya' bout' Dick Henry quickly. One time he spotted one our greatest players the 8 and 9. The guy brought Dick but only after 30 hours and he only won 4 games.Another time just before I moved to Colo. and I was still in OKC, I get a phone call from Buddy and he's in trouble, meaning he got broke. He had been playing Dick Henry. I inquired as to how they'd been playing and what kind of sets. Buddy said they had been playing 10 aheads even up and he was two sets stuck and broke. Anyway, I arranged for him to get some money and he painstakingly fought his way back and won the money.

 

[ironman]

It is him

The picture Jam showed looks like Bill Meacham, Colo. Spgs.

Yes, it is Bill, who at times was a pretty good player himself and only stood about 6ft 7in. tall.
Grady did play very well on the bar box indeed. People because of his one pocket prowess forget what a great all-around player Grady is.
Grady should remember some of the ring games which took place in Denver back in the 70's, on WED nights at Jays Bar. Those games went on sometime for 2-3 days. I actually watched, of all people, Joey Torman, bust the game on a few occasions.
On one particular wed, there was Danny Medina,Greg Stevens,Danny Searcy, Flyboy,Ronnie Allen, and Joe Salazar in the game. Not a lot of balls were missed. Ah, the good old days!

 

[Nit]

Here is a picture of Bob....on the right with the goatee.

A little off topic but Bob was/is one of the best team captains I've ever seen. Not everyone likes team play. Most good players don't. But, Bob enjoyed sharing his knowledge (to his teammates) and developed some of the best amateur players in St. Louis.

You get a lot of different opinions when you talk to people about Bob. But, as a room owner, he is good for the sport.

 

[Ktown D]

Re: Weldon

Weldon and I used to travel together and yes, he played as good as anyone on the bar table, especially with the big cue ball.Get my book if you'd like more Weldon stories.
If the Joe S. is Joe Salizar I beat him too, with the big ball. I put up everything I had and played a nice set to win.
Little Al reminded me of something I had forgotten. In Colo. Spgs. one night we were playing a ring game on the bar table with the big rock. Kenny Anderson, Dick Henry, Little Al, me and two or three other guys whose names I don't recall. I ran out of money and went upstairs to refuel from my girlfriend. I had a hellova time talking her out of our money. Anyway I go back downstairs, Ralph's Supper Club, get a good shot and ran 15 or 20 racks. Nobody can remember for sure. But I might even have run more because once I got a good shot nobody else got back to the table.
As I'm remembering back I don't recall anyone beating me playing even on the small table. Matlock came into prominence a few years after the guys like me and Weldon.
I heard that Keith and Matlock did play one time, somewhere in the midwest, if I'm not mistaken.

Weldon (Junior) doesn't play much at all anymore. Likes to fish too much. At nearly 60 he went to the JOB event a few years ago and I think he placed 5/6 after not playing very much in preparation for the tournament. He could still play jam up on a box until he gave it up. Question for you Grady. How much action did you see Weldon get Playing one handed? Did he get beat often? He might be the best I have ever seen. Saw him do One-handed jump draws from the middle of the table. Played run out pool one-handed no rail. Junior is a great player and a great guy.

 

[rackmsuckr]

If you ever get the chance, just ask Grady about him, he would probably know more about Dick than anyone living now.

Did anyone else think this was funny or is that just my little evil mind?

Grady, what is the name of your book? I like reading and hearing great stories about pool. Between Harry Platis, Cole Dickson, Billy Bob Cress and Mike Zimmerman, we have a few stories ourselves up here in Platisville.

 

[OldHasBeen]

Mike - You just answered your own question.

- OHB, I am wondering why you wouldn't want to video tape a match like that? It would be a tape I would definitely be interested in, as I am sure many others would. Mike B.

The reason for NO TAPES being made is to kind of force people see it LIVE on the Internet.
I know many pool enthusiasts would like to buy a tape but without that option and a one shot fee to see it LIVE - they would either watch on their computer OR make it their business to get to a friends computer.
Hell, maybe a local poolroom might make a big night out of playing it for their customers for the small fee and feeding it to their big screen or screens.

For right now - you’re going to just have to take my word that - IF I DO THIS, IT WILL BE DONE RIGHT AND EVERYONE WILL BE PLEASED. ESPECIALLY ME.
No one can comprehend exactly what I'm thinking about this and how big it could be.

TY & GL

 

[Grady]

Weldon and Dick Henry

Weldon was a fine onehanded player. In fact, one time we're in Denver and Weldon got the 5 and the break on the bar box from Danny Medina. Weldon robbed him. I don't think he was the best one handed player, though.
Dick henry was special. He'd be snookered and people on the side would bet you he made a ball and you'd end up stuck if you kept betting.One time he went to Vegas where a big tournament was going on and he was beating guys like Greg Stevens. He came in my pool room every day.

 

[Grady]

Linda's comment!!

Weldon was a fine onehanded player. In fact, one time we're in Denver and Weldon got the 5 and the break on the bar box from Danny Medina. Weldon robbed him. I don't think he was the best one handed player, though.
Dick henry was special. He'd be snookered and people on the side would bet you he made a ball and you'd end up stuck if you kept betting.One time he went to Vegas where a big tournament was going on and he was beating guys like Greg Stevens. He came in my pool room every day.

Thank you, Linda, for pointing that out. I missed it. Do you think I should add that line to my resume?

 

[hemicudas]

Dan Louie

Did anyone else think this was funny or is that just my little evil mind?

Grady, what is the name of your book? I like reading and hearing great stories about pool. Between Harry Platis, Cole Dickson, Billy Bob Cress and Mike Zimmerman, we have a few stories ourselves up here in Platisville.

Didn't Dan Louie relate any of his road stories to you, rackmsuckr? He has a ton. He is a good guy too.

 

[Nostroke]

Did anyone else think this was funny or is that just my little evil mind?

Grady, what is the name of your book? .

'Bet High, Kiss Low'

I believe the special unedited edition is still available.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Grady Knows Dick

Thank you, Linda, for pointing that out. I missed it. Do you think I should add that line to my resume?

Maybe it should go in your next book...ought to sell quite a few! lol.

 

[rackmsuckr]

Didn't Dan Louie relate any of his road stories to you, rackmsuckr? He has a ton. He is a good guy too.

Oh yeah! For years, Danny and I would say we were brother and sister. He and Geiler told quite a few, although it took awhile for Geiler to get his out! The late Harold Danielson was also a good one for stories, especially telling on the Canadians. Danny is so sweet...he just sold his restaurant and will be coming back to the pool world with a vengeance. Big table, bar box, 8ball, 9ball, whatever, big CB or any kind of CB, he is going to do some damage!

 

[buck15]

anyone ever heard of brandon ashcraft and his ability on the bar table,big rock or not?one of the best.heard he will be in memphis at the classic.seeing is believing.

 

[DeadPoked]

This thread and others like it are why I come to this forum. Thanks for some good reading.

rakmsuckr I just read "playing off the rail" for the umpteenth time, is Harry Plattis still betting high playing 1-hole? Has Bucktooth played him any since then as well?