If you reversed the order of usage....1-Revo..2-LD...3-maple.....
Your stats might still be the same......as one plays, one gets better.
pt.....impressed by the 156
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If you reversed the order of usage....1-Revo..2-LD...3-maple.....
Your stats might still be the same......as one plays, one gets better.
pt.....impressed by the 156
The 156 was plain mape many years ago. It was during a match for what $50 dollars.
I've recently started straight pool as some of my free play.
The one thing a out straight pool to me is:
I don't care how well you pocket balls, move the cue ball....if you make even "1" bad shot selection all your skills cannot save your run.
That is what's holding my straight pool back at the moment imo. Not to mention, straight is the grind of all grinds and I only have so much energy.
Thanks,
Rake
More soldiers have been killed n wars prior to the invention of guns than after guns.
Yes, far, far more people but, given mass destruction weaponry, well, give it time and another "type" of killing will take the lead by far, unfortunately.
Rake
Indeed.
And consider how many shots have to be fired to result in one death. Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?
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What is LD ?
I am confused by all of this LD shaft stuff. It seems to me as though Predator is the king of the LD shaft makers. Then we have many other makers offering their spin on it and some custom cue makers also have a version of it.
I am now using Pat Diveney's version of a LD shaft. One is made from his Lake Salvage shaft and one from his Kiel Wood shaft and I also have one of his "standard" Lake Salvage shafts.
I think they are excellent shafts, but I am not a good enough player to show case their excellent qualities. But, J. Bergman is and Biado was before he moved on to a more lucrative sponsor. There have been others, but they adapt to a another makers shafts because they can get a more lucrative sponsorship.
I have never asked Pat what he does to his LD shafts to make them a LD shaft. It is my understanding they are solid maple and not laminated. All of these playing shafts are 30" long and have12.5mm tips except for the 12.65mm Kiel wood shaft.
So what makes a LD shaft? Is it tip diameter, shaft taper, low end mass, small ferrules, a cored shaft, lamination, some form of a synthetic make up, etc.
Is there and industry standard that is met for a shaft to be called LD. Is there a proven and accepted industry standard for testing a shafts claimed LD specs?
There are and have been so many world class players using and still using a "normal" maple shaft and almost all of these world class players could play world class pool with about any shaft. Just saying...….
I am confused by all of this LD shaft stuff. It seems to me as though Predator is the king of the LD shaft makers. Then we have many other makers offering their spin on it and some custom cue makers also have a version of it.
I am now using Pat Diveney's version of a LD shaft. One is made from his Lake Salvage shaft and one from his Kiel Wood shaft and I also have one of his "standard" Lake Salvage shafts.
I think they are excellent shafts, but I am not a good enough player to show case their excellent qualities. But, J. Bergman is and Biado was before he moved on to a more lucrative sponsor. There have been others, but they adapt to a another makers shafts because they can get a more lucrative sponsorship.
I have never asked Pat what he does to his LD shafts to make them a LD shaft. It is my understanding they are solid maple and not laminated. All of these playing shafts are 30" long and have12.5mm tips except for the 12.65mm Kiel wood shaft.
So what makes a LD shaft? Is it tip diameter, shaft taper, low end mass, small ferrules, a cored shaft, lamination, some form of a synthetic make up, etc.
Is there and industry standard that is met for a shaft to be called LD. Is there a proven and accepted industry standard for testing a shafts claimed LD specs?
There are and have been so many world class players using and still using a "normal" maple shaft and almost all of these world class players could play world class pool with about any shaft. Just saying...….
Exactly. Where is the line drawn as to what constitutes LD opposed to a standard shaft?
Answer: there isn't one.
Maniac
I'm a big fan of moderate/slight/sorta/kinda LD myself. Not sure where that would fit in to any squirt/un-squirt categories.
I’m curious about this statement....and I find it hard to believe.
...gonna open a thread on NPR about it.
pt...preparing to be enlightened
Low end mass. The other things matter only in so much as they co tribute to low end mass.
Also, sadly there is no industry standard. Not that hard to create one, but look at the group we are talking about. Most people, players, promoters, industry people, only care how much of this little pie they can take, not about making a bigger better pie.
KMRUNOUT
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I know one that has heavy end mass. Their ferrule is just about the heaviest out there . And people fall for their low deflection claim.
Obviously there is no industry standard.
It's 50% engineering and construction, 50% marketing, and 50% psychological.
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Obviously there is no industry standard.
It's 50% engineering and construction, 50% marketing, and 50% psychological.
Throw in another 25% for "I've got money burning a hole in my pocket". :wink:
Maniac
It plays how it plays, whatever anyone says. I try it out. Doesn't take too many hits to determine if LD claims are justified.
KMRUNOUT
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Same here. Hit two or three balls and I know the LD or not. I can play with either and either one is EASY to spot.
Best shaft ever is the revo hands down.
kenny hall
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By your logic the best shafts in the 90s and early 2000s were SSTs from Cuetec as they won about 10 world championships with Earl and Allison on board - thats the best track record there is for that time period
Earl and Allison could play with pine broom handles with an Elkmaster and beat most people like me in that era!!!
Laminated shaft are ok BUT good straight-grain all hard maple are better imo. Deflection is reduced by taking weight out of the tip end; shorter, lighter ferrules and less diameter that 13 mm. The lamination might help with the "warp" factor. Carbon fiber is a "dead" feel to me............Kenny"the Messenger" Hall.... John 3:16
I definitely know that, I used those two great players as the example of the flawed logic OP used.
And I like how the hit is totally subjective to different players - for me the hit of Revo is the most alive i could ever imagine so I am sold to carbon. Go figure :thumbup: And yet I respect that many players dont like it, thats the beauty of choice :thumbup:
I normally stay away from threads like this, but I will chime in.
I recently switched to an LD shaft, and love it. I have been playing my best pool in a long time. I was a hard core standard maple shaft advocate, but I have to admit, the LD shaft simply out performs my maple shafts.
Is the hit, and feel different? Sure it is, but it's not a bad thing in my opinion. People talk a lot about feel..... No two maple shafts feel the same by the same maker.
I find the LD shaft much easier to pocket long straight shots as well as shots where your shooting jacked up over a ball. Shots with side spin are easier as well, and draw shots are much improved.
A few months ago, I would have argued the opposite, but truth be known, LD shafts do improve your game. I'm an old stubborn dog, and have to admit it, but the new technology is the future of the game.
I recently switched to an LD shaft, and love it. I have been playing my best pool in a long time. I was a hard core standard maple shaft advocate, but I have to admit, the LD shaft simply out performs my maple shafts.
Is the hit, and feel different? Sure it is, but it's not a bad thing in my opinion. People talk a lot about feel..... No two maple shafts feel the same by the same maker.
I find the LD shaft much easier to pocket long straight shots as well as shots where your shooting jacked up over a ball. Shots with side spin are easier as well, and draw shots are much improved.
A few months ago, I would have argued the opposite, but truth be known, LD shafts do improve your game. I'm an old stubborn dog, and have to admit it, but the new technology is the future of the game.
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