Better equipment, shafts, Tips, and Kamui Chalk, but the 526 RUN RECORDS Stands?

JoeyInCali said:
Not worth their time.
They play 9 ball and 10 ball 90+% of the time.
And where do you find pro 8 tables with 5" corners now?
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Joey, were YOU there? You sound like you know what size the pockets were! I don't, Charlie said, Willie would have to play with what ever Brunswick table the room provided.

Seriously, in 1954, how much could of He made for an exhibition where this feat was accomplished? $300, maybe $500!

It's 2018, a table could, (if we really know he specs) be duplicated!
 
JoeyInCali said:
Not worth their time.
They play 9 ball and 10 ball 90+% of the time.
And where do you find pro 8 tables with 5" corners now?
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I have to agree here with, Joey. The US pool culture has shifted over the decades. The money isn't there to break a record. The money is in winning the next 10ball tournament.

Had someone in the "old days" broken the record, it would have been the talk of the nation. Interviews, exhibitions, and talk shows. I'd stake money, if someone breaks the record, today, it'll be forgotten next year.

Josh
 
mr3cushion said:
Joey, were YOU there? You sound like you know what size the pockets were! I don't, Charlie said, Willie would have to play with what ever Brunswick table the room provided.

Seriously, in 1954, how much could of He made for an exhibition where this feat was accomplished? $300, maybe $500!

It's 2018, a table could, (if we really know he specs) be duplicated!
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Let me know what the stock Brunswick corner openings are.
He was getting paid by Brunswick to do exhibitions. Year in and year out.
He didn't set the record for free.
He could have broken that record too if we take what he said.
He said he just got tired.
Did he ever break and run 10 racks of 9 ball?
Exactly. Never.
He was not getting played to play 9-ball.
The pros today do not play straight pool.
They play rotation and 1 hole.
 
John Schmidt's views (as of 2009) on the relative difficulty of 14.1 on 7-, 8-, and 9-footers:

john schmidt said:
... for the record i think 14.1 on the bartable is easier than 9ft.

you can reach allbreakballs,combos and shots are a joke etc.

yes its more confined space but with the cueball control ive learned from 14.1 thats the last thing im worried about.

for the record the easiest table to play 14.1 is a 4x8 .ive played on them all and its the easiest no doubt. enough room to play but still easier on shotmaking,reaching,combos than 9ft.
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JoeyInCali said:
Let me know what the stock Brunswick corner openings are.
He was getting paid by Brunswick to do exhibitions. Year in and year out.
He didn't set the record for free.
He could have broken that record too if we take what he said.
He said he just got tired.
Did he ever break and run 10 racks of 9 ball?
Exactly. Never.
He was not getting played to play 9-ball.
The pros today do not play straight pool.
They play rotation and 1 hole.
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Of course He was paid by Brunswick, He was he GREATEST pool player of his era!

So now YOU demean the integrity of not only Willie Mosconi, but, also what Charlie Ursitti has stated!

I don't know if he could of ran 10 racks of 9 ball! Again, YOU assume YOU know the answer already! YOU'RE a real piece of work! :rolleyes:

How smart do have to be, to know you have to shoot the 4 ball after the 3 in 9 ball! There's a little more thinking and control in 14.1! Also, in 3 cushion!

If you know don't think, Willie could have not played TOP notch 9 ball if he had chosen to, then I have WAY overestimated YOUR knowledge of pool! :sorry:
 
kollegedave said:
Over the years we have known each other, I have heard you share a version of this opinion a number of times. However, as I am reading this one, I guess what impresses me is the consistency with which he ran a hundred. I think I might argue that this consistency is more impressive than the 526 on a 4 x 8.

kollegedave
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Yep. Running 100 on different equipment each night is mind boggling.

Lou Figueroa
 
JoeyInCali said:
Let me know what the stock Brunswick corner openings are.
He was getting paid by Brunswick to do exhibitions. Year in and year out.
He didn't set the record for free.
He could have broken that record too if we take what he said.
He said he just got tired.
Did he ever break and run 10 racks of 9 ball?
Exactly. Never.
He was not getting played to play 9-ball.
The pros today do not play straight pool.
They play rotation and 1 hole.
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Mosconi didn't think much of 9ball, considering it too easy.

But I think anyone who saw him play, even well past his prime, would know that he was well capable of running over 10 racks of 9ball. He just didn't play it.

Same with 1pocket. He considered it a hustlers game and didn't play it. But when he did, he busted the 1pocket mechanics that tried him. More than one would lament to their backer, "He doesn't know anything about 1pocket. He just keeps running eight and out."

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Mosconi didn't think much of 9ball, considering it too easy.

But I think anyone who saw him play, even well past his prime, would know that he was well capable of running over 10 racks of 9ball. He just didn't play it.

Same with 1pocket. He considered it a hustlers game and didn't play it. But when he did, he busted the 1pocket mechanics that tried him. More than one would lament to their backer, "He doesn't know anything about 1pocket. He just keeps running eight and out."

Lou Figueroa
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And the straight pool greats didn't think 9-ball bangers couldn't play straight pool.
So, what happened in Portland, Maine when PBT had their first straight pool tournament ?
Efren went to Al Romero at Hard Times and asked him how the game is played 2 weeks before the tournament .
Efren shows up and gets to the final . Had the tournament high run against James Rempe . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM4PdYbpLRA
In one shot, Grady and Danny had no clue how Efren was going to create a break ball. Efren pocketed a ball, drew the cue ball and kissed another ball that became the break ball. Danny said he never saw it coming.
https://youtu.be/sM4PdYbpLRA?t=704
Who gets in the final with Efren? CJ Wiley, another 9-ball banger.

The point here is, we really can't discount the great players on a game they don't even play anymore .
They can put freaking 15 balls on the same pocket .

We might as well argue who the better dancer was. Gene or Fred?
 
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mr3cushion said:
Of course He was paid by Brunswick, He was he GREATEST pool player of his era!

So now YOU demean the integrity of not only Willie Mosconi, but, also what Charlie Ursitti has stated!

I don't know if he could of ran 10 racks of 9 ball! Again, YOU assume YOU know the answer already! YOU'RE a real piece of work! :rolleyes:

How smart do have to be, to know you have to shoot the 4 ball after the 3 in 9 ball! There's a little more thinking and control in 14.1! Also, in 3 cushion!

If you know don't think, Willie could have not played TOP notch 9 ball if he had chosen to, then I have WAY overestimated YOUR knowledge of pool! :sorry:
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Err, where did I demean him ?

The point was NO PRO today is getting paid to play exhibition straight pool.
He makes money if he runs 10 balls or 600 balls.
He gets PAID to practice and play.
He had a long-standing contract with Brunswick.
Ewa did for a time . So, Ewa became good at straight pool as well.
Hell, she and Lori Jon broke Balukas's high run on the same night.

And the other point is, WM never ran 10-racks of 9-ball in a tournament because he did not play in them.

Dude,. take a chill pill .
He's not your father .
And it's only a game.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Err, where did I demean him ?

The point was NO PRO today is getting paid to play exhibition straight pool.
He makes money if he runs 10 balls or 600 balls.
He gets PAID to practice and play.
He had a long-standing contract with Brunswick.
Ewa did for a time . So, Ewa became good at straight pool as well.
Hell, she and Lori Jon broke Balukas's high run on the same night.

And the other point is, WM never ran 10-racks of 9-ball in a tournament because he did not play in them.

Dude,. take a chill pill .
He's not your father .
And it's only a game.
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How about here! He could have broken that record too if we take what he said.
He said he just got tired.
 
JoeyInCali said:
... If Schmidt, Holman and Pagulayan were paid to do those exhibitions for years, who's to say they would have not run 500+?
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If Schmidt puts in as much time in the next thirty days as he did the first time he tried for 500, he is almost a favorite for 527. Last time he ran 100 on about a quarter of his tries. The only problem I see is that he might start thinking about it after 450.

Based on performance at Derby City, Orcullo can hit a higher average than Schmidt. Maybe someone should hire him for a month. And I wonder how Thomas "Mr. 491" Engert is hitting them.
 
mr3cushion said:
How about here! He could have broken that record too if we take what he said.
He said he just got tired.
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What about it ?

You're asking why the pros today have not broken 526.
Well, why didn't Mosconi break it if he only missed because he got tired?
 
JoeyInCali said:
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He could have broken that record too if we take what he said.
He said he just got tired.
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In my opinion the best available evidence is that he missed a ball at the end. Now, he may have gotten tired, as Caras mentioned, or he may have missed on purpose, but it seems that he did not just put down his cue and quit.
 
JoeyInCali said:
What about it ?

You're asking why the pros today have not broken 526.
Well, why didn't Mosconi break it if he only missed because he got tired?
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"I" NEVER asked that question once!


If anyone here, should listen this interview, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGm4TtJQKXE it's YOU!

You may, I'm not sure, may be more enlightened about Willie Mosconi from someone who knew him better than anyone, other than immediate family! Although, Charlie was like a son to him.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
If Schmidt puts in as much time in the next thirty days as he did the first time he tried for 500, he is almost a favorite for 527. Last time he ran 100 on about a quarter of his tries. The only problem I see is that he might start thinking about it after 450.

Based on performance at Derby City, Orcullo can hit a higher average than Schmidt. Maybe someone should hire him for a month. And I wonder how Thomas "Mr. 491" Engert is hitting them.
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I think so too.
491 on a tournament grade 9-footer is pretty strong.

I think JS has a better shot than Dennis b/c JS knows the game much more.
He said he didn't think Efren would have a shot b/c of his pattern.:D
 
Seeing is believing.When I see it broken then I will believe..Till then it's all just talk..
 
Do people really not believe the record could be broken? Put up $50,000 to break the record on the same table dimensions and I think it will be done. 8ft table with 5inch pockets was the table right?
 
You can start a gofundme or any other crowdfunding with stipulation the money won't be paid out and you don't get charged until the record is broken.

LHP5 said:
Do people really not believe the record could be broken? Put up $50,000 to break the record on the same table dimensions and I think it will be done. 8ft table with 5inch pockets was the table right?
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