Beware of Dealing with Member calibration aka Cal Smith

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HI Lenny,

You need to out losers like this guy. If you can not pay and do not have funds, you should not commit, it deprives the seller of a chance to sell the cue to a real buyer, not a wannabe.

There is no fair deal unless both sides are pleased.

my best Lenny, thanks for our transactions!
Phil
 
jimmycue said:
Sorry to hear about your trouble with Cal. I have had a few deals with Cal and there was never a problem. I dont like hearing about these kind of things happening cause so far for myself the AZ forum and it's members have treated me very well and love being a member. GLWS on your cue.

Jimmy K
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I thought there were no problems because I saw his iTrader but he basically was like oh well and 2 guys backed out on him so it was okay for him to do the same to me, pretty crappy rationalization. :cool:
 
phil dade said:
HI Lenny,

You need to out losers like this guy. If you can not pay and do not have funds, you should not commit, it deprives the seller of a chance to sell the cue to a real buyer, not a wannabe.

There is no fair deal unless both sides are pleased.

my best Lenny, thanks for our transactions!
Phil
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I did lose another buyer who wanted the cue because he thought it was sold and no longer had the funds to purchase it when it went back up over 2 weeks later. You win some and lose some I guess, if it does not sell then I guess its just meant to be mine, haha. :thumbup:
 
wow lenny sorry to hear bout this, i have had about 10 deals with cal in person and never had issues? wish you all the best to the both of you!
 
Sorry to hear Lenny. It does suck when you think you sold something, and the deals fall through. Cal always seemed good with me, but who knows.

I cannot believe the amount of flaky people in the world. Just list a few things on Craigslist, and you will see how many people don't show up or whatnot. If you say you are going to do something, then do it. It is amazing how many times I have gone out of my way and bent over backwards to keep my word. Meanwhile, so many people don't seem to care about their word, like you have all the time in the world to wait for them to not show up.:(

On the bright side, at least you did not get ripped off and lose a cue. Hopefully Cal just didn't realize how much his actions affected you. I am sure he didn't try to cause you any grief...at least I hope not.
 
rossaroni said:
Sorry to hear Lenny. It does suck when you think you sold something, and the deals fall through. Cal always seemed good with me, but who knows.

I cannot believe the amount of flaky people in the world. Just list a few things on Craigslist, and you will see how many people don't show up or whatnot. If you say you are going to do something, then do it. It is amazing how many times I have gone out of my way and bent over backwards to keep my word. Meanwhile, so many people don't seem to care about their word, like you have all the time in the world to wait for them to not show up.:(

On the bright side, at least you did not get ripped off and lose a cue. Hopefully Cal just didn't realize how much his actions affected you. I am sure he didn't try to cause you any grief...at least I hope not.
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His iTrader was good so I was not worried at all but it just takes one bad deal like this to ruin it and mess with your rep. I am sure he is a good guy but on this deal he handled it wrong in several ways and I could not have done anything better on the deal. You commit to buy and say your sending payment then follow through, keep in communication and let the person know when you do not send payment and when your given time to get the funds together then do it. Don't make excuses and say you had cue deals fall through and since 2 guys backed out on you then you do the same to me on top of stating not feeling good about the deal because another similar cue was $100 cheaper that I was selling, it was $100 cheaper because of shaft issues.

This is probably the 3rd or 4th time on here someone has done something like this and I just am sick of it, your word should mean something and shows a good deal about your character. I know I can walk on water here but as soon as I slip and fall getting a bit wet then all of it does not mean much because everyone focuses on that one negative thing. I am sure Cal is a good guy and 99% of the time does good business, hopefully he will not do the same thing again and waste someones time and cost them money. Have a good weekend all. :smile:
 
cornerstone said:
wow lenny sorry to hear bout this, i have had about 10 deals with cal in person and never had issues? wish you all the best to the both of you!
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In reality its not a huge deal when comparing it with cue ripoff stuff I have seen on here but its still bad business and members need to realize when you say you want something and commit to buy then your locked in and obligated to follow through. It hurts the value of an item when its marked sold and then a couple weeks later is re-listed IMO.
 
Tooler said:
I'm with Lenny on this... spill your guts.
You're not doing anyone a favor by keeping a tight lip... oh wait, your doing him a favor!;)
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Yes you are correct...I should out him.....I just sent another PM to him, I will see how it pans out...If not, then you will be reading my complaint...


thank you all!!!
 
hate to hear that.

I do hate to hear about these kind of deals. I do know that you are a stand up person for sure. If something goes wrong with a deal if its on the seller or buyers end contact should be made soon as possible to clear up and just be honest. Honesty is always the best policy. I have the same thing going on with me on ebay. I to still have my cue. I think after this deal this will be the end of ebay for me. I spend to much time replying to lower than low ball offers and pure nonsense . Sure hope it works out for you. take care friend, john
 
I did a trade deal with out using escrow with Calibration about a year ago and it went very smooth.
He traded me a sweet full spliced Ed Prewitt plus cash for a bigger Prewitt I had at the time.
I'm sorry to hear you had issues with Cal, all I can say I did a fairly high end deal with him on a trade with out escrow and it went down smooth as butter.
 
Wow, wow, wow

I just read this post about me and am both astonished and saddened. In all my deals on here at AZ with cues over 5k and never a single issue. But here, I have a delay with payment on a $600 Replica Philipino cue and I am trashed to no end.

What is really making me mad is that CPB614 (a guy I have never, ever made any contact with) is making statements that are completely false.

I have never met Fast Lenny in person so I will not comment on his personality. I apologize for delaying on the deal and hope we can meet sometime and make friends over this issue.
 
So you need a new car, you go down to the car lot, see a car you want to buy, you haggle with the salesman, eventually you reach an agreed price. All is good, paperwork is eing filled out, the guy thinks he has a sale, but now you ask "Where's the restroom" and you leave the car lot without buying a car, and the salesman is high and dry on the sale.

That's the shit you just pulled calibration. You fully agreed to buy something, then backed out like a child. Ethics, morals just caught up to you, now do like you agreed to and buy the cue, or act like a ***** and see if people deal with you again.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
So you need a new car, you go down to the car lot, see a car you want to buy, you haggle with the salesman, eventually you reach an agreed price. All is good, paperwork is eing filled out, the guy thinks he has a sale, but now you ask "Where's the restroom" and you leave the car lot without buying a car, and the salesman is high and dry on the sale.

That's the shit you just pulled calibration. You fully agreed to buy something, then backed out like a child. Ethics, morals just caught up to you, now do like you agreed to and buy the cue, or act like a ***** and see if people deal with you again.
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I think its Lenny's fault for not having the keys to Cal's trade-in in his pocket when he let Cal go to the bathroom (and escape).

I'm sorry but I don't get all the rancor here. What's the real harm? Lenny still has his cue to sell. Perhaps he'll even find someone who really wants it and will be grateful to get it. Sure Cal could have been a bit more considerate, but judging how we all treat each other here at AZland are we really going to BBQ the guy over that?

To speak to your example. Who wants to sell the guy a car if the guy wants to escape? Why not let the guy go and move on to someone that wants it? Its not like Cal took the cue and didn't pay. All he stole here was a little bit of Lenny's time, and, as I'm sure Lenny will attest, if you are going to try and sell things anywhere you really have to be prepared to spend some time on people that end up not buying.

We really need to find a way to be just a tiny bit kinder to each other here. All this scanning the boards for any reason to get down on someone is really making this place unpleasant.

Cal said he'd buy something and then, for whatever reason, didn't (yet). What's the real harm here?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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Clarification...Read my first comment!!

calibration said:
I just read this post about me and am both astonished and saddened. In all my deals on here at AZ with cues over 5k and never a single issue. But here, I have a delay with payment on a $600 Replica Philipino cue and I am trashed to no end.

What is really making me mad is that CPB614 (a guy I have never, ever made any contact with) is making statements that are completely false.

I have never met Fast Lenny in person so I will not comment on his personality. I apologize for delaying on the deal and hope we can meet sometime and make friends over this issue.
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Please let me clarify that my statements WERE NOT about Calibration...or any deal he had with me...We have not had any dealings, nor will we...(please read first post)

If you read my first comment, it was about a Joss cue, and a set of pool balls...never did mention his name, or call him out....I was simply adding my comments about ANOTHER AZ'er that I had the same situation with....

My statements are not false, they are just not about you....please read my comments before you call me out!

This being said...congrats on your apology to Fast Lenny...
 
CPB614 said:
Please let me clarify that my statements WERE NOT about Calibration...or any deal he had with me...We have not had any dealings, nor will we...(please read first post)

If you read my first comment, it was about a Joss cue, and a set of pool balls...never did mention his name, or call him out....I was simply adding my comments about ANOTHER AZ'er that I had the same situation with....

My statements are not false, they are just not about you....please read my comments before you call me out!

This being said...congrats on your apology to Fast Lenny...
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To be honest, I was a little confused about your posts also. Lenny starts a thread to warn the community about dealing with Cal and you use the thread to warn us about some unnamed seller? I don't get it, what's the benefit to the reader?

Thanks

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
Cal said he'd buy something and then, for whatever reason, didn't (yet). What's the real harm here?
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The harm is that there is no course of action to take. Does someones word mean nothing anymore? Integrity, ethics, morals, are all gone to most pool players. People are out to make themselves better without regard to who they hurt along the way. Selfiness, and greed are what causes people to look down on billiards. If you say you're going to buy/do something, ****ing do it, don't sit around like a child and just assume that by ignoring it, it will go away. Don't say you will buy something unless you actually plan to buy, and have the funds on hand, otherwise sit on your hands and let real customers do business with the seller, don't pull them along for weeks.
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
The harm is that there is no course of action to take. Does someones word mean nothing anymore? Integrity, ethics, morals, are all gone to most pool players. People are out to make themselves better without regard to who they hurt along the way. Selfiness, and greed are what causes people to look down on billiards. If you say you're going to buy/do something, ****ing do it, don't sit around like a child and just assume that by ignoring it, it will go away. Don't say you will buy something unless you actually plan to buy, and have the funds on hand, otherwise sit on your hands and let real customers do business with the seller, don't pull them along for weeks.
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It has nothing to do with billiards. That's just the way it is with sales of all kinds. Everywhere in the world right now there are thousands of salesmen listening to 1000s of customers telling them "I'll buy it tomorrow" or whatever, and hopefully tomorrow when the majority of those customers don't show up those sales guys aren't slitting their wrists, they are just moving on to a buyer that does want the item.

Buyers who buy are buyers.
Buyers who don't buy aren't buyers.

Heck, on the Black Boar I'm selling alone, I've had 3 people promise me they would call me back "one way or the other" that for whatever reason didn't call me. Am I really going to start a thread to try and shame them into calling like they said they would? Please. Just move on and find someone that really wants the item. How do you know they really want it? They pay. If you are going to sell stuff you are just going to have to have a little tougher skin than this "I'm all hurt because the guy didn't buy" routine.

As far as no course of action. The seller has to share responsibility if he doesn't nail down a time frame for promised payment. If a buyer says he's going to buy something, its on the seller to find out how the buyer intends to pay and when. Otherwise, if the seller leaves that part (a real important part of any sale) open-ended, well yeah, then he can get left hanging. Nail down a payment date and when the day passes you know you have a problem.

Thanks

Kevin
 
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So the fact that calibration gave his name and home address, and had made arrangements to pay, but never did means what then? Sounds like a guaranteed sale to me. Or did you neglect to read that the cue was already packaged and ready to ship, just awaiting payment that never came?
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
So the fact that calibration gave his name and home address, and had made arrangements to pay, but never did means what then? Sounds like a guaranteed sale to me. Or did you neglect to read that the cue was already packaged and ready to ship, just awaiting payment that never came?
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It means that his buyer didn't pay, which makes him not a buyer (yet). Lenny was the one that packaged the item without payment, and as even Lenny says, really all that's happened there is Lenny has it ready to go for his real buyer. Sales fall through all the time for all sorts of reasons. Again, what's the harm?

As far as a guaranteed sale goes, I think any salesperson will tell you that your sale is guaranteed once you have the payment (or a signed contract), or, for a guy like me, after the buyer has had the item through his inspection period (which is when I figure I have a guaranteed sale).

if you are going to sell stuff, your buyers are going to jerk you around a bit, it happens in all sorts of sales, it has nothing to do with the lack of integrity in pool. Any sales guys will tell you you have to let stuff like this roll off your back. if you can't, you really shouldn't be selling. You know, as little harm that happened to Lenny, even less happened to you, yet you are having a very hard time letting this one go.

What do you suggest we should do to Cal? What does he deserve here?

Thanks

Kevin
 
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wanted for sale section

This section was made on honest dealings, be part of it or leave.

no one is perfect , but it is expected that you give your it your best efforts to make your word true. even if you have to stand up and say i screwed up.

the truth is where the word and the deed become one.

Buyers and sellers are to be held at the same accountabilty.............
Nothing less then their best efforts to be honest.

MMike
 
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