Thanks, Dr. Dave. As always, your pages are a thoroughgoing and detailed, excellent resource.
BHE vs FHE
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This is true (especially for long shots with lots of spin on tables with tight pockets) unless the BHE and FHE are used in combination (intentionally or not) based on shot speed and distance, as with the System for Aiming With Sidespin (SAWS).
Mine is right on target. Yours on the other hand, has never been developed. You live in LA-LA Land and always have when it comes to pool.
You clearly have incomplete understanding what you read - none of the "potential benefits" Dave describes outweigh the loss of accuracy and consistency you get with a pre-set straight stroke. In fact, they depend on you overcoming that loss, as he says in his first sentence:
pj
chgo
I've said on multiple posts on this thread, it takes about a minute to learn how to BHE correctly. For example, you brought up wrist extension and flexion, now you know, from me, you can use wrist supination or pronation.
The reality is one can achieve many things with a straight stroke, but many pros supersede the straight stroke's limitations with their BHE skill.
Again, since you are the lead advocate for a straight stroke only, let's choose some shots with varying degrees of difficulty, you can use FHE, I will use BHE, according to you, you will be the victor.
I'm limiting you to FHE, since BHE is for the people who can execute the technique accurately and consistently.
Or we can do a video and I can teach you how to use it in minutes. You shant improve your game, PJ, if you continually fear new knowledge.
You get more hopeless as time goes on. Dr Dave was referring to swoop/swipe NOT bhe.
Try to read and comprehend before typing.
Name some of the straight stroke's limitations that a non-straight stroke overcomes.
And again, your non-straight stroke isn't BHE - that has a specific definition that you obviously don't know.
pj
chgo
There are NONE! And I can, prove it, even closing in on 80 next year.
ANYONE that aims at the CB at a certain point and contacts the CB at another should take up,
Tidily Winks.
PJ, I apologize to AZ readers that your arguments have wasted so much time on this thread. Let's sum your arguments:
1) You can shoot any shot I can make with BHE, by shooting FHE, but you won't make a video where we together choose shots and positions, because [fill in answer here, readers]
2) It's not worth it to you or any player to learn BHE, an argument you persisted in even after being corrected regarding the type of wrist movements used, and further persisted in, despite it taking perhaps 60 seconds to demonstrate how to shoot BHE
Taken together, again we have innocent players coming to AZ to learn new techniques, and you blocking them from even attempting new techniques, even those you lack mastery in and knowledge of. At least agree with Dr. Dave that pros swoop and/or use varied combinations of BHE and FHE to do what you cannot demonstrate on a video.
Based on your comments above and below:
"As far as BHE and/or FHE goes I don't use them and never will. Outside certain parameters they're pretty much worthless."
You use neither BHE nor FHE nor a swoop. How do you add english to a stroke, then? I'm quite curious by now, since you've not answered the last three times I've asked.
I agree, sir! And as you know, people like the awesome Willie Mosconi would aim say, a tip of right english, then swoop stroke to produce a tip of right english--striking the cue ball precisely where he aimed with his practice strokes.
Thank you!
I haven't argued either of those. You're still mistaking what BHE and FHE are, Mr. "Instructor".
pj
chgo
We're back to Willie now are we. You've brought him up before claiming to know details about the way he did certain things
Just curious but seeing as you've never talked to him, never saw him play and the small amount of video of him that exists is of such poor quality that it's not possible to discern much of anything from it, how is it you're able to grace us with all this info about him.
Unlike you, most of us can read, understand what we read and recognize total garbage when we read it.
Flakeandrun
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Sometimes, I use this forum to kill time at work. This thread was one of those times... Dumpster fire of a thread 
FH/BH spin...
calculate before you are down on your shot, align point of contact on CB with intended line of travel, correctly compensating for the equipment you have paid money for, adjusted to and learned how to use... LD/CF/broomstick... (all this garb about CF and LD on this forum, then might as well align the shot dead on... that's the point of LD bala bala bala is it not? Even if you have a standard hard wood maple shaft, you know how it plays, align the shot correctly, get down and cue through the ball) If you're adjusting anything when down on your shot for "Fh/Bh spin" then you might as well stand up again.
FH/BH spin...
calculate before you are down on your shot, align point of contact on CB with intended line of travel, correctly compensating for the equipment you have paid money for, adjusted to and learned how to use... LD/CF/broomstick... (all this garb about CF and LD on this forum, then might as well align the shot dead on... that's the point of LD bala bala bala is it not? Even if you have a standard hard wood maple shaft, you know how it plays, align the shot correctly, get down and cue through the ball) If you're adjusting anything when down on your shot for "Fh/Bh spin" then you might as well stand up again.No one ever likes to admit it, but the odds of landing on a shot perfectly from a standing position is small. The reality is, nearly all but the extremely basic shots, especially those with an element of english, require adjustment.
How you do it, is partially the premise of this thread
Flakeandrun
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Perfect position is nigh on impossible, but playing to areas and getting 'as good as' is literally the premise of the game. Observe the necessary from above, cue down on the shot - Observing what Is needed before cueing down, compensating based on knowledge of the equipment/table and understanding where you will be cueing through the ball, all this should be done prior to cueing down.
If I am not cueing where intended, I am standing up again. Adjusting with either hand, front or Back, maybe 'works' for some, or produces a specific result in a certain situation, but is for the most-part totally unnecessary. I agree, you are right, everyone is making small adjustments to some degree, as none of us are robots, but these should be a pretty much subconscious process. If you notice that there is need for adjustment, stand up - start again.
I mean, when you've spent all that money on LD, Carbon, space-tech, wiggling around once down on the shot is going to lose all that LD that those hard earned $$$ got spent on.
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If you do your test strokes directly above the shot and drop in vertically, there you are.
What a joke. You have got to be kidding. I know 4 players that play at pro level and only one does this stuff and there is a reason he only plays on buckets....
You are making your method look worse. The difference is a cue stroked straight on the shot line or a cue stroked crooked on the shot line. There is one shot line. There is a reason no modern pro does this stuff on tight pockets its suicide